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Kyrra

Averi said:

@Manix  Kohilo is definitely a noncombattant.

Over the last week, I've seen him die to Hashan guards are least twice on separate occasions, and in the not-so-recent past, he's tagged along on two raids against Ashtan.

He might consider himself a nomcom and others might consider him a nomcom, but actively participating in raids will get you targeted in future because people will remember you being there for one or two.

I don't think @Vayne is in the wrong.

Bonko

Regardless of the new "relaxed" pk rules, I'm pretty sure going after people once the conflict has ended (not sure if this is the case here as there's not much context) is only going to result in people avoiding these types of situations in the future.

If fun is your goal then I'm not sure reducing Achaea to a glorified chatroom is in your best interest.

Alexius

True @Iocun, but in @Vayne 's defence again, there is the issue of the Refugees having no city, and yet us still de facto being a political organisation. Shrines are few and far between, we have no guards to kill, and you can't do sanctioned raids against us. We to all intents and purposes raid Hashan, and yet Hashan can't do the same in return, not in the same way.

Yes, there is the bog-standard killing of Hashanites by *Shallamese, and vica versa, but at least @vayne is adding some flavour to it. So long as what Vayne is doing is kept low key, i think it is pretty good.

Velyse

Do you necessarily have to kill non-coms to do that? It might be more productive for random groups of Serpentlords/Hashani/whatever to truelock the people who don't know what they're doing instead of just killing them. I know that if I got randomly PKed for  being Cyrenian, I would be annoyed and avoid the person who did it, but if I was randomly truelocked I would be pretty amused.

Silas

Hashan can perfectly well raid New Hope (or Cyrene should they so choose) while we're there. 

Cooper

I've not been targeted by this Hashan gank squad yet, why not?

Zeon

Good question, a dragon level character that dies to level 80 unartied monks is just xp waiting to be harvested. Gank squad wise at least.

Katzchen

(Mhaldor): Groukar, a grizzled old orc says, "OH MY GOD, NO!!! HEELLLLP!"

Radrin has been overcome by the stench of Maric, a filthy ratman.

Radrin (male Atavian).
He is 18 years old, having been born on the 23rd of Aeguary, 599 years after the fall of the
Seleucarian Empire.
He is unranked in Achaea.
He is an extremely credible character.
He is not known for acts of infamy.
He is a Slave in Mhaldor.

He is considered to be approximately 0% of your might.

Overreacting much?

Bonko

Cooper said:

I've not been targeted by this Hashan gank squad yet, why not?

Vayne said:

I have avoided well known non-combatants ...

Looks like since dying to @Vaehl multiple times your status has been downgraded.

Sorry, Coops.

Edit: Ninja'd by @Zeon. Damn you.

Mannimar

While you're all attacking @Vayne for his jumping a noncomm. A closer look at the actual rule you are invoking seems necessary.

"This does not mean you can attack other players repeatedly just for being a member of an opposing organisation."

There was one attack followed by a promise that there wouldn't be another. By not only attacking Cooper, Silas and other well known Refugee combatants and raiders, there is a sense of insecurity, and an atmosphere of risk for everyone that is a part of either organisation  I feel this really helps drive this conflict home for the players.

Now, I'm not advocating mass killing sprees of a bunch of no-names, but dropping a couple bodies here and there is a good reminder that "no one is safe".

You may disagree, but as long as it doesn't get out of hand then I don't see an issue with it.  

Nellaundra

If Cyrene got in a war with someone, I wouldn't really care about getting ganked occasionally.  It's war.  What do you expect to happen?  So long as there's a level of restraint, I think it's fine.

Iocun

Yeah, I don't think it's a huge issue either. But it's still entirely unnecessary, and can cause some players to have less fun with the game, so we should seek to avoid it.

Vayne

@Targets I have been targeting any refugee outside Cyrene of New Hope that is not a clear cut noncom that I can see. You will not see as many of the more well known refugees because admittedly we don't always succeed in killing them every time nor is that our goal. It would be ideal, but the attacks themselves communicate the intended message that the refugees are not safe. Also harking back to the bold word, many of the top tier refugees have veils making them rather hard to track down. I have not harassed players that are obviously not going to put up a fight repeatedly. I only attacked @Alexius a second time because he had recently, actively taken part in a raid against Hashan. Likewise, Hashan has no current conflict with Cyrene and I am not going to cause an incident by storming in there, as tempting as it is(I've almost done it a couple times), and we raid New Hope as a city often enough as well.

@Terrorism : I feel it is perfectly fine for Vayne to refer to the refugees as terrorists in game. You are perfectly within your right to likewise contest that accusation in game. They are a group of people with no clear organisation, leadership, or territory, who have declared they will reduce Hashan to dust and have systematically destroyed its patrons' shrines. Vayne is not going to portray them in a positive light and call them "Righteous Crusaders of the Light" or some such thing; he is going to spin the situation and use whatever propaganda he can to defame and discredit them in the eyes of the public.

Silas

I don't think anybody is expecting you not to defame your text-enemies, but "terrorists" is a pretty lazy label. It was silly when you tried it with the Qashar, and is even sillier now.

Vayne

My apologies, what would you prefer? Perhaps it resonates because of the Qashar, not that I have even been heavily using it in the first place. I have also used: Zealots, homeless rabble, close-minded sophomores, blind followers of Light, and my personal favorite remnants of the shattered Jewel.

Tesha

I would like if the targets of these attacks were those who raid and raid frequently, those who defile frequently - these are the people who are clearly interested in the pvp aspect of the conflict. Random other targets, often those who have not raided (such as Kohilo), are just ones of opportunity. We often try to make things better for you guys (remember the 5v18 raid you raved Hashan so well in?) and I make it a point not to attack people I know I can beat without any trouble (I do not even gank anyone, the most I do is ask for duels). It would be mutually beneficial for you to try to pick targets like Cooper and Silas (even myself) instead of easy ones of opportunity like Kohilo.

I really do not want things to devolve into people being miserable because they are afraid of going bashing etc. because they get killed all the time. This would not be fun for the refugees who do not like combat, and it would certainly not be fun for your side once Silas cracks the whip for everyone and bribes Tesha with pretty clothes to retaliate.

That being said, I like the assassinations, they add flavor and dangerous-ness and cool things like that. Just, you know, try to pick better targets. (also you actually can retaliate shrine-wise too or even raid new hope).

Vaehl

Refugees have more veils than I thought

Delphinus

Vayne said:

My apologies, what would you prefer? Perhaps it resonates because of the Qashar, not that I have even been heavily using it in the first place. I have also used: Zealots, homeless rabble, close-minded sophomores, blind followers of Light, and my personal favorite remnants of the shattered Jewel.

"Homeless" always felt kind of quasi-OOC, too, if just because it brings urban vagrants and hobos to mind. Not OOC, but like "terrorists," there are better options for the setting. I dunno. It seems obvious and lazy.

The fallen of the east, the Pash remnant, the bandit-priests, the southmen, the blinded horde, the book-burners, the ravenous strays of the south...

Cahin

@Mannimar

That works if you only read the first sentence of the rule.

Vayne

Well, if the major complaint is that I am not using colorful enough terms to describe the refugees, I think that can easily be rectified.

@Tesha I do not feel I have shown anything but restraint in the assassinations. Again, Kohilo is the first and only person to complain so far. He hired on me and that is perfectly fine. I look for you to target often, Missy. Your prism proof subdivision in *shallam makes it difficult though! I don't see @Cooper or @Silas around often enough out of New Hope to have gone for yet when I had sufficient Serpentlords or time to make an attempt but would be more than happy to. I would love to go for @Sothantos who has faithfully returned my favours but he has a veil .

EDIT: In general, the refugees spend A LOT of time in New Hope.

I'll also state for the final time that I am not targeting lowbies/noncoms specifically.

Kyrra

If one organisation declares war on another, all members of that organisation have to deal with it in some form. Whether it's getting randomly jumped while walking to Delos or having to listen to people whine.

Yeah it sucks for some people but so far as I've seen, restraint is being shown to a degree.

I don't understand why people want to be in some cities and not want to be involved in things. Wars aren't forever. Conflict changes direction as much as the wind. And I also don't understand why people are getting defensive over someone that does in fact raid, getting killed a whole one times. They may not be part of the hardcore, shrine dropping, zealot Mafia, but they do participate when they want to in order to gain experience. By choosing to do so, you suck up the consequences as a result.

Edited to fix Delos.

Tesha

Okay good. I will admit I read through everything briefly! *~* *~*

edit: forgot glitter

Iocun

I made you a sig, so you never forget again:

(EDIT: Made it an animated gif for less lag!)

Ourania

Iocun said:

I made you a sig, so you never forget again:

(EDIT: Made it an animated gif for less lag!)

Tesha

I love you all!

Trey

That's so sweet. Ourania's shrines are being taken out and she takes the time to do a forum sig for Deucora.

Vayne

Trey said:

That's so sweet. Ourania's shrines are being taken out and she takes the time to do a forum sig for Deucora.

Ourania's haven't been touched since pre-Bal'met. Twilight shrines are in vogue right now...or at least being destroyed like they are going out of style?

Trey

Vayne said:

Trey said:

That's so sweet. Ourania's shrines are being taken out and she takes the time to do a forum sig for Deucora.

Ourania's haven't been touched since pre-Bal'met. Twilight shrines are in vogue right now...or at least being destroyed like they are going out of style?

Aside from recent times, it always seemed like the Darkies went out of style -years- ago

Tesha

'Burn it' does go very well with damnation. @Ourania is the greatest.

Kohilo

Ashtanis saying that people should take responsibility for their organization's actions are opening up a rather large nihilistic can of worms. Don't think the odor will be pleasing.