Quick Questions

Oceana

It is messing up the wares list, and I need to price both vials separately because of their weight difference. I wouldn't mind the weight difference if pricing was unaffected.

Alcinae

Why is the color yellow not a color you can dye your arrows with? Just seems silly that one of the primary colors isn't one you can use.

Edit: not that I actually care or anything haha, I'm just curious.

Iocun

Because gold is available, I assume, and it would look pretty much the same? On the other hand, grey is available despite silver being as well.

Celiana

Iocun said:

Because gold is available, I assume, and it would look pretty much the same? On the other hand, grey is available despite silver being as well.

Probably because silver is more or less metallic white, while there are more than fifty shades of grey.

Yes I went there.

Iocun

asdfs

Trevize

Oceana said:

It is messing up the wares list, and I need to price both vials separately because of their weight difference. I wouldn't mind the weight difference if pricing was unaffected.

It's the opposite actually. They weigh different because you have to price them differently - or at least, because of the reason for that. You bought them at different shops, and while they might be named the same, they're not the same 'base item'.

Jonners

That makes no sense... I mean I understand, but the system itself seems nonsensical.

Katzchen

Wilhelmina said:

Which classes have the most expensive upkeep? Is it Knights? Occultists?

Not so sure about other classes, but Runewardens are very expensive/high upkeep. There's inks, and there's also armour/weapons. I've spent over 200 credits forging fullplate, and the best I have is 105/90. We need two weapons, and level 1-2 arties are considered junk, so that's 3200cr for artie weapons, or you have to keep finding two high quality rapiers that match somewhat every time they decay. We also have the only trade skill you cannot guarantee making money off when you use it.

Achilles

Katzchen said:

Wilhelmina said:

Which classes have the most expensive upkeep? Is it Knights? Occultists?

Not so sure about other classes, but Runewardens are very expensive/high upkeep. There's inks, and there's also armour/weapons. I've spent over 200 credits forging fullplate, and the best I have is 105/90. We need two weapons, and level 1-2 arties are considered junk, so that's 3200cr for artie weapons, or you have to keep finding two high quality rapiers that match somewhat every time they decay. We also have the only trade skill you cannot guarantee making money off when you use it.

Of the knight classes, Runewardens are the most expensive.  Runelore requires the use of inks which you get either mill yourself (which requires additional steps of gathering or buying the reagents) or purchase from someone else.  All knights have the same forging problems that Katzchen mentioned, though it should be noted you don't need to necessarily min/max your fullplate to that degree.  Also you can easily just wait for a TF, train up forging to like fabled so you can forge a fullplate within that 24 hour window (borrow a hammer of forging).  Fullplate never decays so you can put it behind you after awhile.

I actually think Runewardens are more expensive than Occies in most cases, in addition from each dsl costing about 5 gold, if you have to repair totems, carve totems, rune allies (each one costing you a green, a purple and 3 yellows) you can burn through a lot if you are active.

Lianca

Try every tarot card costing 20 gold, pacting can cost a few thousand if you go that route, and venoms, and weapons that you tend to buy in bulk if you don't have a 'special' one!

Don't get me wrong, it used to be a whole lot worse when Occultist was very tarot reliant, but it still mounts up.

Achilles

Lianca said:

Try every tarot card costing 20 gold, pacting can cost a few thousand if you go that route, and venoms, and weapons that you tend to buy in bulk if you don't have a 'special' one!

Don't get me wrong, it used to be a whole lot worse when Occultist was very tarot reliant, but it still mounts up.

Why would anyone use gold for pacts, karma is super easy to get and the eschaton has a bajillion pages in it (plus a dragon can farm up hundreds pretty quickly).  And knights are way more particular about their venoms and weapons than an occie would be.

I probably spend 4k in gold on inks just getting allies ready before fights, I doubt any individual Occultist post-dopplenerf uses 200 tarots in a hour.

Katzchen

I was going through several hundred ink each day during the Targossan-Mhaldor war, it was kinda nuts! Was often up to or over 100 blue/red/yellow and 50 purple/green.

If you're going to count inkmilling and gathering as 'free', you really have to consider the cost to trans it as well as the time spent using it. Before I went runie I made enough to pay off the credits spent on the skills selling ink, but I doubt most people use it enough for that.

Valdus

Is there any way to make a forged weapon reset to me like other artifacts? I understand there's no way to make something non-decay.

Mizik

Nah.

Would devalue artefacts.

Jonners

What.. how would paying an extra fifty credits, while not adding non-decay, devalue artefacts? If anything it would be a very slight theft nerf and smaller boost to profits for Achaea.

Antonius

For whatever reason you can't get resetting without non-decay. Whether that's because of legacy code or simply an admin decision I don't know, but it isn't something that's likely to change.

Antonius

The stats on level two artefact rapiers really aren't bad, by the way, especially for a Runewarden; assuming most non-Runewarden knights will rarely have weapon runes, they're better than are Soulpiercers for the other two classes, and at half the price. There's also a certain amount of value placed on never having to worry about being dodged that you don't get with a lot of forged weapons, but it's nowhere near impossible to exceed level two rapiers in terms of damage and speed.

Mizik

Jonners said:

What.. how would paying an extra fifty credits, while not adding non-decay, devalue artefacts? If anything it would be a very slight theft nerf and smaller boost to profits for Achaea.

Yay more easy ones.

1) Because 50cr < 300/800/1600cr, so no, no boost to profits.
2) Keeping resetting exclusive to artefacts adds value and differentiates from stock..
3) RE theft: Slight = 100% in this case. "Your wife is slightly dead and has been cremated." Theft proof.

Keep them coming.

Trevize

Antonius said:

For whatever reason you can't get resetting without non-decay. Whether that's because of legacy code or simply an admin decision I don't know, but it isn't something that's likely to change.

Yeah, I asked about that in the ideas thread recently, they said no. I even asked about an artie that's more expensive than regular returning.

The upcoming weapon changes were cited as part of the reason why - I'm rather curious about them, now.

Delphinus

Naisar said:

Anyone have an order-of-magnitude approximation for the dimensions of Achaea's wilderness map?

Going very roughly by the parts known to me, about 1040 x 1733 tiles.

Trevize

Delphinus said:

Naisar said:

Anyone have an order-of-magnitude approximation for the dimensions of Achaea's wilderness map?

Going very roughly by the parts known to me, about 1040 x 1733 tiles.

Only 1,802,320 rooms? The disappointment!

Iocun

Crap, I missed one!

Katzchen

It'd be nice to be able to make forged stuff resetting without nondecay just to avoid accidentally smelting it, or dropping it when the fist sigil decays and you don't notice... theft, well unlikely for that to work anyway, but still a bonus.

Kyrra

I go through lots of wood.

Wilhelmina

Should magi have more CON or more INT? Is 14/14 good enough or would make the magi too weak for eventual combat?

Jovolo

It's all level, baby. Con before 90. INT after.

Oceana

Trevize said:

Oceana said:

It is messing up the wares list, and I need to price both vials separately because of their weight difference. I wouldn't mind the weight difference if pricing was unaffected.

It's the opposite actually. They weigh different because you have to price them differently - or at least, because of the reason for that. You bought them at different shops, and while they might be named the same, they're not the same 'base item'.

I probably did buy them at different shops. Thanks for answering. Cannot like or agree, but thanks!

Halos

Do tokens of Charybdis decay in stockrooms?

Oceana

Halos said:

Do tokens of Charybdis decay in stockrooms?

I was told so, yes.

Kyrra

They were changed so they do.