Quick Questions

Enrai

Anyone know the base EQ time for educe iron?
Also, does it scale with Alchemy skill?

Santar

Yeah, the pendant does more than just raise crit percentage. It increases the size of your crits as well.

If I recall correctly, there was a Q&A with @Sarapis years ago where he was asked to explain how the crit pendant works, and he summarized by saying, "Basically, you get more critical hits"

Eld

Santar said:

Yeah, the pendant does more than just raise crit percentage. It increases the size of your crits as well.

If I recall correctly, there was a Q&A with @Sarapis years ago where he was asked to explain how the crit pendant works, and he summarized by saying, "Basically, you get more critical hits"

It raises the base percentage. Because of how crits work, that also skews the distribution more toward larger crits.

Chryenth

Does anyone have the room description for Shallam's old bank?

Babel

The Imperial Shallamese Bank. (indoors)

Vaulted ceilings arc overhead adorned with frescoes of life in the Pash Valley. The room is large 

and filled with bustle at all times. Clad in the simple robes common to the middle class of Shallam, 

young men and women sit at desks at one end of the room, busily writing with their quills in their 

pursuit of profits for the bank. Men and women in finer robes walk the floor, greeting customers and 

assisting in whatever they can, as well as managing the scribes. Rising gracefully from the ground 

below, a marble statue depicts the forms of Yen and Carri.

If you'd like a more current visualization:

Nakari

best bank ever. City's sinking and their first priority is transferring all the money to Delos.

Chryenth

Thank you, Babel.

This is actually perfect.

Azor

Has anyone else noticed that, when sailing, if you first give the order to row and then to "set sails," you never get the "creeping along at an imperceptible pace" message, but if you do the reverse (set sails, then row), you quite often get such a message? It's a bit odd.

Eld

Azor said:

Has anyone else noticed that, when sailing, if you first give the order to row and then to "set sails," you never get the "creeping along at an imperceptible pace" message, but if you do the reverse (set sails, then row), you quite often get such a message? It's a bit odd.

Yeah, I bugged that a couple years ago. Generally seems to only happen in light wind, iirc.

Jonners

Babel said:

The Imperial Shallamese Bank. (indoors)

Vaulted ceilings arc overhead adorned with frescoes of life in the Pash Valley. The room is large 

and filled with bustle at all times. Clad in the simple robes common to the middle class of Shallam, 

young men and women sit at desks at one end of the room, busily writing with their quills in their 

pursuit of profits for the bank. Men and women in finer robes walk the floor, greeting customers and 

assisting in whatever they can, as well as managing the scribes. Rising gracefully from the ground 

below, a marble statue depicts the forms of Yen and Carri.

If you'd like a more current visualization:

Pic broke

Valdus

What was the reason for the administrations decision to make it an 'either or' choice for Cities regarding Alchemists or Forestals being able to join?

Simoln

Like everything else: conflict. It's what makes the world go 'round.

Jonners

But there is no conflict between forestals and alchemists. They're just incompatible city-wise which is incredibly stupid imo.

Nakari

a large part of helping create class identity for classes that draw their powers from some source has been limiting them to cities that are actually aligned with that source. It's been happening for pretty much every single aligned class, and this was their method of doing so for forestals, for whom there is no excommunication like ability.

Jonners

FOREST ENEMY X... it's more effective than you'd think. I would be fine with it if Eleusis wasn't the only city to allow forestals.

Nakari

From my experience, making harvesting in forests and jungles a pain never really inhibited the number of forestals in various cities. The problem is that for a set of classes that were supposed to be aligned with nature, there were more that really didn't care all that much. It's not that it was an active detriment to anything, but I do think that it prevented the creation of a core identity for the classes as a whole.

Jonners

I agree with you. But I don't think the solution is only one choice for new players interested in playing a forestal class. It harkens back to guild days and puts too much power in the hands of a select few players. There's a reason why Houses opened up, and while they've been restricted from what they were, they haven't ever gone back completely.

Antonius

I don't see why it's unreasonable to nudge somebody who is interested in playing a forestal class towards actually being a forestal, considering they're intended to be factional classes and not neutral ones. There's no power in the hands of "a select few players" because they have no control over whether or not the person gets full, unrestricted access to their class. Your suggestion of just forest enemying people would actually do what you're complaining about, since that has a very pronounced effect on how they can use their class and benefit from their investment.

Santar

Antonius said:

I don't see why it's unreasonable to nudge somebody who is interested in playing a forestal class towards actually being a forestal, considering they're intended to be factional classes and not neutral ones. There's no power in the hands of "a select few players" because they have no control over whether or not the person gets full, unrestricted access to their class. Your suggestion of just forest enemying people would actually do what you're complaining about, since that has a very pronounced effect on how they can use their class and benefit from their investment.

Nudge? You mean "force"

Nakari

frankly, I feel like there are less limitations on forestals wanting to go do whatever then on most other aligned classes. Unless you start going forest burning with Mhaldor, there are really no limitations on your roleplay, only on your citizenship. Other aligned classes pretty much have one additional choice in city, but a set of restrictions on their roleplay for which they will seriously be punished for not following.

Jonners

Nakari said:

frankly, I feel like there are less limitations on forestals wanting to go do whatever then on most other aligned classes. Unless you start going forest burning with Mhaldor, there are really no limitations on your roleplay, only on your citizenship and House choice. Other aligned classes pretty much have one additional choice in city, but a set of restrictions on their roleplay for which they will seriously be punished for not following.

Eld

Jonners said:

Nakari said:

frankly, I feel like there are less limitations on forestals wanting to go do whatever then on most other aligned classes. Unless you start going forest burning with Mhaldor, there are really no limitations on your roleplay, only on your citizenship and House choice. Other aligned classes pretty much have one additional choice in city, but a set of restrictions on their roleplay for which they will seriously be punished for not following.

Except in a very few cases, your house choice is determined by your citizenship and class. Bolded doesn't really add anything.

Kyrra

Yeah, rather be Houseless than a Warlock.

Jonners

Eld said:

Jonners said:

Nakari said:

frankly, I feel like there are less limitations on forestals wanting to go do whatever then on most other aligned classes. Unless you start going forest burning with Mhaldor, there are really no limitations on your roleplay, only on your citizenship and House choice. Other aligned classes pretty much have one additional choice in city, but a set of restrictions on their roleplay for which they will seriously be punished for not following.

Except in a very few cases, your house choice is determined by your citizenship and class. Bolded doesn't really add anything.

I was pointing out that because of the restrictions on cities the forestal classes basically have their guilds back (except they don't have power over you actually becoming your class anymore which was effin stupid to begin with so is moot). 

One druid house, one sylvan house, one sentinel house. It doesn't work out, you think you have other opportunities for roleplay? Tough shit, suck it up or go rogue.

That is my problem.

Shirszae

Jonners said:

Eld said:

Jonners said:

Nakari said:

frankly, I feel like there are less limitations on forestals wanting to go do whatever then on most other aligned classes. Unless you start going forest burning with Mhaldor, there are really no limitations on your roleplay, only on your citizenship and House choice. Other aligned classes pretty much have one additional choice in city, but a set of restrictions on their roleplay for which they will seriously be punished for not following.

Except in a very few cases, your house choice is determined by your citizenship and class. Bolded doesn't really add anything.

I was pointing out that because of the restrictions on cities the forestal classes basically have their guilds back (except they don't have power over you actually becoming your class anymore which was effin stupid to begin with so is moot). 

One druid house, one sylvan house, one sentinel house. It doesn't work out, you think you have other opportunities for roleplay? Tough shit, suck it up or go rogue.

That is my problem.

The one thing I agree with is that I would like actual alchemist vs forest conflict. If conflict is the goal, give us some, not just a handwave. 

Valdus

I have to admit I was rather surprised to learn that Cyrene doesn't allow Sentinel, Druid or Sylvan as citizens. At the time I didn't know that each city was given a choice of either Alchemists or Concoctionists and I'm not arguing with the decision the city made or the decision the Administration made by forcing that choice, it just seems odd to me that three classes that are not 'evil' or against Cyrene's beliefs are outlawed by this design feature.

Synbios

For the Alchemist x Concoctionist deal: It's less about which class is 'more evil' and more of 'you can only pick between Alchies or Foresties, but not both' and the verdict being in favor of the Stoner Brothers.

Kyrra

Alchemists need a city as well.

Valdus

Synbios said:

For the Alchemist x Concoctionist deal: It's less about which class is 'more evil' and more of 'you can only pick between Alchies or Foresties, but not both' and the verdict being in favor of the Stoner Brothers.

Right. This topic was started by my wondering what the design reasoning behind enforcing an either or choice. I'm not arguing against it.

Sylvance

Kyrra said:

Alchemists need a city as well.

This.

Alchemist city would be awwwwwwwwesome.