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Sylvance

Celiana said:

Sylvance said:

Antonius said:

I imagine the answer to 2 is going to be a resounding no. It's not that difficult to turn credits into gold if you want to bid in those auctions.

@Antonius - Whilst I fully concur with your statement, the problem in the last gold auction was with people selling 500cr @5.5k to get money for the auction, losing the auction, then having to buy their credits back at 6.2k*

But isn't that part of the risk of betting in auctions?

Well... yes, it is... the debate is whether it ought to be. Equally, it's a risk that people 'betting' on credit auctions don't face; if you lose your credits haven't lost any value.

Blujixapug

Sylvance said:

Antonius said:

I imagine the answer to 2 is going to be a resounding no. It's not that difficult to turn credits into gold if you want to bid in those auctions.

@Antonius - Whilst I fully concur with your statement, the problem in the last gold auction was with people selling 500cr @5.5k to get money for the auction, losing the auction, then having to buy their credits back at 6.2k*

*yes, I pulled those figures out of my ass, but hopefully it demonstrates the problem

You're looking at it from the perspective of potential buyers who want a good deal with the least inconvenience. Instead try looking at it from the perspective of draining some gold from the economy, and perhaps even intentionally (if temporarily) lowering prices on the credit market. From one perspective it's a failure, from the other it's a success.

Sylvance

Blujixapug said:

Sylvance said:

Antonius said:

I imagine the answer to 2 is going to be a resounding no. It's not that difficult to turn credits into gold if you want to bid in those auctions.

@Antonius - Whilst I fully concur with your statement, the problem in the last gold auction was with people selling 500cr @5.5k to get money for the auction, losing the auction, then having to buy their credits back at 6.2k*

*yes, I pulled those figures out of my ass, but hopefully it demonstrates the problem

You're looking at it from the perspective of potential buyers who want a good deal with the least inconvenience. Instead try looking at it from the perspective of draining some gold from the economy, and perhaps even intentionally (if temporarily) lowering prices on the credit market. From one perspective it's a failure, from the other it's a success.

Well argued.

Sylvance

@Tecton - Have you ever read the Night Angels Trilogy? Just curious.

Tecton

Sylvance said:

@Tecton - Have you ever read the Night Angels Trilogy? Just curious.

I have time to read anything other than the output window of my mud client? Surely you jest!

Zael

How many lessons does it take to trans a skill?

Sylvance

@Zael - they aren't all the same. To find out for a specific skill (that you have knowledge of) you can use the following syntax:

SHOW LESSONS LEFT IN <skill> 

SHOW LESSONS IN <skill>

If it isn't clear, the latter tells you how many you already have in it.

Zael

oh well thank you @Sylvance for the info

Antonius

@Zael: What Sylvance means by "they aren't all the same" is that there's a difference in lesson cost between main skills and miniskills. Main skills are all 1736 lessons to get to Transcendent, whilst miniskills are 693 lessons.

Rispok

Isn't it 1738? You're given one free lesson when you gain the class skill, and it takes what is listed via show lessons left in x + 1. So it's 1737 normally, or 1738 if you use FORGET skill.

Antonius

Well, it's been about six years since I last learnt a main skill, but:

You are Transcendent (which is about 1736 lessons) in the skill Riding.

Eld

Antonius said:

Well, it's been about six years since I last learnt a main skill, but:

You are Transcendent (which is about 1736 lessons) in the skill Riding.

Yeah, there's a lesson or two wrapped up in that "about".

Antonius said:

Well, it's been about six years since I last learnt a main skill, but:

You are Transcendent (which is about 1736 lessons) in the skill Riding.

Antonius

There's a similar "about" in the line for miniskills, but they're definitely exactly 693 lessons. The number everybody quoted for main skills was 1736, even before it was possible to SHOW LESSONS [LEFT] IN <skill> too, so I'm not convinced that these magic additional lessons are actually a thing.

Eld

Antonius said:

There's a similar "about" in the line for miniskills, but they're definitely exactly 693 lessons. The number everybody quoted for main skills was 1736, even before it was possible to SHOW LESSONS [LEFT] IN <skill> too, so I'm not convinced that these magic additional lessons are actually a thing.

Last two times I transed skills on alts, I learned exactly as many as SHOW LESSONS LEFT IN listed, and then had to learn one more to trans. Not sure about the one starting lesson Rispok mentioned.

Sena

Antonius said:

The number everybody quoted for main skills was 1736, even before it was possible to SHOW LESSONS [LEFT] IN <skill>

The numbers people gave varied widely before that. Anywhere from 1710 to 1780 (Ashtan has a CHELP file that still shows 1767), sometimes it seemed like no two people ever found the same number of lessons. Miniskills were even more uncertain, anywhere from 600 to 900 depending on who you asked.

Edit: As far as I can tell, the number of lessons learned/remaining in a skill is rounded though, since internally it's not just "you've learned this many lessons", which is why it's sometimes off by 1.

Eld

Sena said:

Antonius said:

The number everybody quoted for main skills was 1736, even before it was possible to SHOW LESSONS [LEFT] IN <skill>

The numbers people gave varied widely before that. Anywhere from 1710 to 1780 (Ashtan has a CHELP file that still shows 1767), sometimes it seemed like no two people ever found the same number of lessons. Miniskills were even more uncertain, anywhere from 600 to 900 depending on who you asked.

Edit: As far as I can tell, the number of lessons learned/remaining in a skill is rounded though, since internally it's not just "you've learned this many lessons", which is why it's sometimes off by 1.

That would make sense. In that case, it would make sense if it were 1736 (SHOW LESSONS LEFT output for an inept skill). I can't remember if I've ever done both SHOW LESSONS and SHOW LESSONS LEFT right before transing a skill, but if I remember next time, I will.

Shirszae

Eld said:

Sena said:

Antonius said:

The number everybody quoted for main skills was 1736, even before it was possible to SHOW LESSONS [LEFT] IN <skill>

The numbers people gave varied widely before that. Anywhere from 1710 to 1780 (Ashtan has a CHELP file that still shows 1767), sometimes it seemed like no two people ever found the same number of lessons. Miniskills were even more uncertain, anywhere from 600 to 900 depending on who you asked.

Edit: As far as I can tell, the number of lessons learned/remaining in a skill is rounded though, since internally it's not just "you've learned this many lessons", which is why it's sometimes off by 1.

That would make sense. In that case, it would make sense if it were 1736 (SHOW LESSONS LEFT output for an inept skill). I can't remember if I've ever done both SHOW LESSONS and SHOW LESSONS LEFT right before transing a skill, but if I remember next time, I will.

If you do SHOW LESSONS LEFT with a very low numbers of lessons left, it'll say something like "You are very near trans" but will not give an exact number, again pointing to what @Sena said.

Eld

Shirszae said:

Eld said:

Sena said:

Antonius said:

The number everybody quoted for main skills was 1736, even before it was possible to SHOW LESSONS [LEFT] IN <skill>

The numbers people gave varied widely before that. Anywhere from 1710 to 1780 (Ashtan has a CHELP file that still shows 1767), sometimes it seemed like no two people ever found the same number of lessons. Miniskills were even more uncertain, anywhere from 600 to 900 depending on who you asked.

Edit: As far as I can tell, the number of lessons learned/remaining in a skill is rounded though, since internally it's not just "you've learned this many lessons", which is why it's sometimes off by 1.

That would make sense. In that case, it would make sense if it were 1736 (SHOW LESSONS LEFT output for an inept skill). I can't remember if I've ever done both SHOW LESSONS and SHOW LESSONS LEFT right before transing a skill, but if I remember next time, I will.

If you do SHOW LESSONS LEFT with a very low numbers of lessons left, it'll say something like "You are very near trans" but will not give an exact number, again pointing to what @Sena said.

Ah, that sounds familiar, now that you mention it.

Xer

If it says "You are very near trans," then a single lesson more will Transcend the skill. I invest -exactly- the amount of lessons it says on SHOW LESSONS LEFT, and then I get the "You are very near trans" message, and then invest exactly 1 lesson more to Transcend.

Trevize

Keep in mind myrrh used to increase lessons learned, back when most of those chelp/hhelp files were written, so if someone forgot myrrh for any bout of lessons, they'd end up using more than they should.

Sena

I just looked through my logs, it took me 1738 lessons to transcend alchemy. I learned 116 sets of 15 lessons. On the last session, SHOW LESSONS LEFT IN ALCHEMY said I had 12 lessons left, then I learned a set of 15, and was refunded 2 of them at the end.

Sena

Also, it took 692 lessons to transcend gathering. For the last session, SHOW told me I had two lessons left, I learned a set of 6 and was refunded 4, so it was accurate there.

Rispok

Not only myrrh, but teaching used to give fractional lessons.

Alcinae

Question: Due to the new way afflictions are handled (as indicated by the new newspost), I notice that when insomnia's up, you actually fall asleep two times - one that strips the insomnia, and one when you actually fall asleep.

"Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

Your insomnia has cleared up.

Your exhausted mind can stay awake no longer, and you fall into a deep sleep.

You feel incredibly tired, and fall asleep immediately."

Is this a bug?

Sena

Probably a bug. There have been other problems with sleeping too since the change.

Naisar

What does transverse do?

Lukan

It sucks.

Chryenth

Targossians: Silas is the Dawnlord, right? What happens if the next person to hold that position is female? Is it 'Dawnlady' or is there some other title?

Shunsui

You make it seem as if the possibility of Silas giving up the position exists.

Jacen

Chryenth said:

Targossians: Silas is the Dawnlord, right? What happens if the next person to hold that position is female? Is it 'Dawnlady' or is there some other title?

She would just be "Dawn"