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  • Datrius said:

    I disagree with this. All new characters should be treated exactly as such, they are NEW. This is a roleplay environment, where 18 year olds escape the pygmies and have to begin learning. I don't buy into the old soul/experienced soul crap that want to pull. If you want to start a new character, play it appropriately.

    From an in-character viewpoint, 18 year olds aren't magically generated into the world with absolutely no idea what they're doing. It's not unreasonable to say "Well, I learned such and such while I was studying to become <class> for the last few years."
  • edited September 2016
    They are, however, 'generated' with an absence of strong memory. Which is how basically all incarnations of the trial has been carried out. Not 'unreasonable' no, but don't expect to be taken seriously if you're acting like an 18 year old that knows everything about Achaea already, and try to pass it off as 'well I studied history a lot when I was younger' - No you didn't.
  • I dunno. Actions speak louder than words. If someone comes about and roflstomps as an 18 year old I'd take them seriously. Some people learn and dominate very quickly. (@farrah comes to mind)



  • edited September 2016
    Ryzeth said:
    They are, however, 'generated' with an absence of strong memory. Which is how basically all incarnations of the trial has been carried out. Not 'unreasonable' no, but don't expect to be taken seriously if you're acting like an 18 year old that knows everything about Achaea already, and try to pass it off as 'well I studied history a lot when I was younger' - No you didn't.
    Nope. There's nothing that says 'welp, you lost all your memory and everything you learned during the last 18 years, you're a crippled infant who has to learn how to walk and not shit herself again.' If my character learned basic Achaean history like "we blew up the planets" and "a lot of gods died" before she turned 18, so she did, and there's nothing nobody can say otherwise. Also, on an OOC level, I really honestly don't think anyone will actually care if you "act like an alt", because it saves them the exasperation of having to teach a true newbie everything they need to know.
  • edited September 2016
    18 year olds are not toddlers. They've had the past 8+ years of their life to learn serious worldly concepts like "how to stab things" and "what are elixirs". Presumably these are things that every parent would want to teach their kid once they're old enough to understand the concepts of injury and death. Juliet of Shakespearean fame was 13 years old, and look at all the crap she had to deal with. (Think about that next time you see the guides playing lovey dovey on Newbie.) If I lived in Achaea, I'd tell my kid how to sip health as soon as they could drink things on their own.

    Just because a portion of 18 year old characters created in the game happen to be played by true newbies does not mean that every single person on Sapience that turns 18 magically loses all their memories and has to relearn how the world works from scratch.
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    Yeah afaik there's no memory loss. Plenty of people have backstories that extend past their trial (or being kidnapped, or loom, or whatever).
    Huh. Neat.
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, Florida
    edited September 2016
    Memory loss isn't a coded-in thing, it's more of a culture thing. A lot of people have it for varying reasons (Mel did in the early years, even though I've since cleaned up a lot of her early history), but also a lot of people do plan stories out as they create a character now (I've done this with two other characters). Most people understand and won't press too hard if a newbie says they don't really remember, but it's definitely not a thing set in stone.

    Edit: Also, unfortunately I have to agree the current newbie trial thing is pretty uninspiring, and I'm glad I made during the Trial of Rebirth, which had actual historical meaning to it. The current is just... bland, in the Achaea story universe. I DO love the updated mechanics it works on and the theme of the overall plot to a point, but the actual dungeon plus newbie areas is meh.
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  • Newbie areas have to strike a careful balance between being interesting enough to keep people interested while also being small scale enough so that they seem reasonable and so that they give you plenty of room to build up from.

    Honestly, I think the only major change that needs to be made to it is just changing it from pygmies. Pretty much anything less comical would do. If you just turned them into beast cultists or something it would work just as well and feel less ridiculous.
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo
    Ryzeth said:
    They are, however, 'generated' with an absence of strong memory. Which is how basically all incarnations of the trial has been carried out. Not 'unreasonable' no, but don't expect to be taken seriously if you're acting like an 18 year old that knows everything about Achaea already, and try to pass it off as 'well I studied history a lot when I was younger' - No you didn't.
    Why not? Who says they did not? Plenty of characters I've seen do this and I find it completely acceptable. To me, the weird thing is to be completely amnesiac not only about eighteen whole years, but about the world at large. A lot of characters do it because they are either newbies, in which case it can't be helped, or because they don't have a particular background set and are waiting to create one when they find parent/family. However, that is by no means an obligation, and you can fully step out of the current incarnation of the introduction with a full story accounting for those eighteen years of your life.

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • In the front of "people with backstories prior to 18"...

    Frederich grew up in Nimick and had a family there.  They might've not been his blood family (because holy shit were his actual parents pretty fuggin terrible), but they treated him as such and raised him up as a farm boy.  He still treats Nimick as his home, and loves the people there.  It's how he got a strong sense of "don't murder people", because that's just a part of his backstory.  In all my time of playing Achaea with him he's never actively hunted actual people.  (Moghedu maybe 1-3 times because dragged along for group hunting, Fortress on Meropis once).  Once I started fleshing out his backstory more, I pretty much had him stopping hurting people who don't deserve it over all.

    And yes, that means not hurting any  (helpless) women and children, even if they're filthy Vertani or orcs.  He won't even hurt the elderly, like the smith on the west side of Dun Fort, and he'll refrain from hurting the orc sergeant on F3 of Dun Fortress.  Simply because it heavily conflicts with moral code.. but I sort of went on a tangent.

    More or less, people are allowed to have backstory before the age of 18.  Frederich asked to go see the world that his sheltered Nimick life hadn't gotten to show him, so he went to Cyrene after asking for a send off.  On his way past Minia, he got clonked upside the head and dragged off.  Because travelling the great road probably takes a lot longer than you actually think if we're being realistic.
  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena
    #BringBackAlignment2k16
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    @Nicola said:
    Medallions have never been able to be pickpocketed while worn, this has simply been a case of inflated misinformation.
    Was I wrong to assume that this meant the medallions weren't ever intended to be pickpocketable while worn? Or was there a change in the admin stance on this at some point?
    Huh. Neat.
  • Krypton said:
    #BringBackLandmarks2k16
    FTFY
  • @Ahmet that one was my mistake. Items are either pickpocketable or not, and I was (woefully) unaware of the specifics of pickpocketing!
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    Well damn. Guess they'll just wither away in my pack then. Thanks :)
    Huh. Neat.
  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena
    Ahmet said:
    @Nicola said:
    Medallions have never been able to be pickpocketed while worn, this has simply been a case of inflated misinformation.
    Was I wrong to assume that this meant the medallions weren't ever intended to be pickpocketable while worn? Or was there a change in the admin stance on this at some point?

    From what I can tell, all items fall into two "pickpocket-able" camps -- regardless if it's WORN/WIELDED/HELD:

    Whitelisted items
    • Letters, sigils, keys, and now the UW medallions
    • Are grabbed untargetted

    And non-whitelisted items

    • Everything else
    • Must be targetted, low success
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    There also seems to be an order of priority for pickpocketing things. Medallions appear to be very close to the top of that list, after gold.
    Huh. Neat.
  • Nazihk said:
    Honestly, I think the only major change that needs to be made to it is just changing it from pygmies. Pretty much anything less comical would do. If you just turned them into beast cultists or something it would work just as well and feel less ridiculous.

    The whole 'you seriously want to get eaten by pygmies?' thing is what sold me on this game, dude. That and the belt from the wheel. Mostly the pygmy jokes at the start.
  • What are the new dragon traits?
  • Oh dragon traits.. so many cool things lately hrrngh. Tempted to play again but not sure if it's worth it after losing all my IRE bonuses.

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  • JonathinJonathin Retired in a hole.
    edited September 2016
    Being able to breathstream on every balance is neat.
    I am retired and log into the forums maybe once every 2 months. It was a good 20 years, live your best lives, friends.
  • edited September 2016
    Sena said:
    What are the new dragon traits?
    Enduring Fury
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    About:
    Your breath is so potent that when summoning forth a storm, it shall persist for longer than normal.
    However, this comes at the price of slightly reduced potency, meaning the period damage people
    suffer from your storm shall be slightly reduced.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Bombarder
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    About:
    When raining death down upon your enemies with your breath weapon, your terrible might shall scythe
    passed your prey's magical shields as if they were not there.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Mighty Lungs
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    About:
    Your lungs are so powerful that you may summon your breath weapon while off balance. Unfortunately,
    the chance for your breath weapon to gain its secondary effect is reduced when taking this trait.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Relentless Hunter
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    About:
    When you becalm a cowardly attempt to flee from you to the skies, your prey shall be knocked off
    balance in addition to its normal effect.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
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    Majesterial Voice
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    About:
    The majesty of your voice is so great that your roar can slice passed even the power of the silence
    vibrations to reach your foe. Note however. To imbue your voice in this way is so taxing that while
    you possess this trait, your roar shall suffer a permanent reduction in its damage.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Steely coils
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    About:
    Your muscles are so powerful that you may flex your way out of entanglements faster. However, with
    this strength comes reduced flexibility, meaning you will no longer be able to flex while off of
    equilibrium.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
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    Rampager
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    About:
    Rampage over a fallen foe, causing any that you trample to always have all of their limbs broken.
    Note however that rampaging dragons do not take their time to finish the job, so this will cause
    your tramples to do reduced damage.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Silent Predator
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    About:
    The ultimate predator is able to track so silently that not even those with the skywatch defence
    shall see your arrival. For such a mastery of the track ability however, dragon's forsake practice
    in the view ability entirely.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Unwavering Stare
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    About:
    Your gaze is so unwavering, so implacable, that you recover from the veilglance ability almost twice
    as fast as the less gifted of your race.


    Major Trait: Yes
    Race Requirement: Dragon
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    Messy Eater
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    About:
    You enjoy your crunching up of dead corpses and heads so much, that it'll now restore a small amount
    of health. Note that weak denizens taste terrible, so won't convey this benefit.


    Major Trait: No
    Race Requirement: Dragon
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Head and Neck
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    About:
    You're so good at chopping off heads with your claws that you can decapitate corpses twice as fast!


    Major Trait: No
    Race Requirement: Dragon
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------


    - (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place."
    - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
    - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
    - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
    - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."



  • Anyone played with messy eater to see balance costs yet?

  • Tahquil said:
    Anyone played with messy eater to see balance costs yet?

    1.6s balance for 4% health
  • Aegoth said:
    Tahquil said:
    Anyone played with messy eater to see balance costs yet?

    1.6s balance for 4% health
    Consume is 1.5s balance (in the AB file), so you might be getting latency there?
    - (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place."
    - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
    - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
    - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
    - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."



  • probably

  • Hi guys. How long does it take for a denizen shop to restock?
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, Florida
    Denizen shops stock at the first of every Achaean month.
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  • Awh, that sucks. The shop I wanted to buy vials from only sells 10 at a time and I needed 12. Thanks for the answer though!
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, Florida
    Best best for the OCD for now is to stick the ones you have in a shop stockroom and then take them out when you get the other 2.

    Other ideas include IDEAing a stock increase in the shops to help, which I encourage. My vial OCD, too, demands uniformity in month decay.
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    And be known in its aching                                                      Though quaking
    Shown in this shaking                                                             Though crazy
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