Quick Questions

Jacen

I get a headache everytime I look at someone's HTML5 code.

Addama

Jacen said:

I get a headache everytime I look at someone's HTML5 code.

Sure, but there's a huge misconception that you can't be a competent combatant with the HTML5 client.  The only major disadvantage is the lack of UI modification (more appropriately, that the means for UI modification aren't really documented).

There's a much larger community for Mudlet/SVO/Wundersys so it's easier to get help for those things, but you can do just fine without them.

Kresslack

With the recent changes (mostly knight changes) a rather impulsive itch is growing more noticeable. I switched from Runewarden to Serpent a couple of months back thinking these changes wouldn't come for a long time yet. Now I'm kinda kicking myself, especially since there are no class requirements for Mhaldorian Houses now. I even traded in my palette and got a lash.

I've taken an active interest in hunting recently, actually aiming to get Dragon in a relatively decent timeframe (I've been playing about 8 years and it's never really interested me until I finally realized the massive utility and badassery it offers). As a Serpent (with Nimble), hunting isn't -horrible-. I have pretty crappy sustain, which is somewhat helped by the regular use of potash. I've also got about a 1.9 balance and a crit pendant, so I can still take out things like Tsol'aa Rangers without having to move (thanks to SoA and potash).

I've been hearing all the talk about the knight changes, and I took up both forging trade skills. There are arguments for both sides in regards to personal and organisational benefits. I would really like to be able to hunt steadily and clear areas quickly without needing to rely heavily on potash and/or having to move every two attacks from a lot of places unless there's only about one mob in the room.

Since I already have an SoA, and could never contemplate trading it in, if I changed I'd be going Sword and Shield specialisation.

I have no experience with these new changes, so I'm wondering and inquiring as to whether this would be a smart change if I want to make Hunting my primary priority for my character.

Thoughts and advice?

Austere

Kresslack said:

With the recent changes (mostly knight changes) a rather impulsive itch is growing more noticeable. I switched from Runewarden to Serpent a couple of months back thinking these changes wouldn't come for a long time yet. Now I'm kinda kicking myself, especially since there are no class requirements for Mhaldorian Houses now. I even traded in my palette and got a lash.

I've taken an active interest in hunting recently, actually aiming to get Dragon in a relatively decent timeframe (I've been playing about 8 years and it's never really interested me until I finally realized the massive utility and badassery it offers). As a Serpent (with Nimble), hunting isn't -horrible-. I have pretty crappy sustain, which is somewhat helped by the regular use of potash. I've also got about a 1.9 balance and a crit pendant, so I can still take out things like Tsol'aa Rangers without having to move (thanks to SoA and potash).

I've been hearing all the talk about the knight changes, and I took up both forging trade skills. There are arguments for both sides in regards to personal and organisational benefits. I would really like to be able to hunt steadily and clear areas quickly without needing to rely heavily on potash and/or having to move every two attacks from a lot of places unless there's only about one mob in the room.

Since I already have an SoA, and could never contemplate trading it in, if I changed I'd be going Sword and Shield specialisation.

I have no experience with these new changes, so I'm wondering and inquiring as to whether this would be a smart change if I want to make Hunting my primary priority for my character.

Thoughts and advice?

Stay serpent,  wait for multiclass to drop.  Serpent hunting seriously isn't that bad.  It is not as tanky, but your area transitions make up for that.  Having to hit and run things isn't too bad,  just make sure you are using worry stones to reduce heal back time. Get runes, there are plenty of knights around right now. 

Kresslack

There's literally like one Runewarden in Mhaldor right now, who I don't see all that often, and when I do, they are usually neck deep in really important stuff. I've considered switching just to help out with runework alone.

Multiclass is something I've thought about waiting for, but that could either be right around the corner or much later this year. I'll have to look into the worry stones, as I don't think I've ever used them and that might be a mistake I've been making all along.

The Serpent bashing really isn't bad after the changes to how class damage and hunting was handled, but I'd like to be able to Deepsea dive as well and that's just not happening right now considering I'm level 81 and my max healthpool is about 3020 hp. If it's a really cold, windy day out...my health drops by about 60-100hp per tic (/sarcasm).

Sena

Scales is a powerful defensive ability (basically the same as algiz), and serpent still has extremely high DPS (artied serpent is second only to artied priest), plus warp, so serpent is one of the best hunting classes. Switching to knight will increase your defence a lot (because of the extra con from weathering, the extra con from not needing dex spec, the better armour, and either cheap/easy access to runes if you go runewarden or vigour/putrefaction if you go infernal), but you'll likely be sacrificing a lot of offence.

In short, knight hunting will be safer but slower than serpent hunting.

Of course, all of this is likely to change any day now. Knights are still being tweaked, and chances are every weapon-using class will be rebalanced at some point (now that weapon stats are static and the balancing should be easy) so they're not extremely strong compared to all the other classes.

Ruth

We have more than just one Runewarden, @Kresslack, so don't feel pressurized to switch to help out yet! Make your decision on what you want to do more so than the city's!

Suladan

@Kresslack‌ grab me next time you see me. I'll show you how/where to hunt like a champ as serp.  

Sachika

Is there an ideal racial specialization for bard that works for both combat and hunting? Do I want more strength or more con? Does int boost accentato damage enough to matter?

Florentino

Hunting as a serp is ungodly good, honest. Stick with it, @Kresslack. I'm not quite to dragon yet like Suladan but I can also show you some neat stuff.

Sena

Sachika said:

Is there an ideal racial specialization for bard that works for both combat and hunting? Do I want more strength or more con? Does int boost accentato damage enough to matter?

I don't know much about bard combat, but to your last question, int doesn't boost accentato at all for hunting. I think it was also changed to not boost damage against players (it did in the past), but I'm not sure on that.

Nexes

Sena said:

Sachika said:

Is there an ideal racial specialization for bard that works for both combat and hunting? Do I want more strength or more con? Does int boost accentato damage enough to matter?

I don't know much about bard combat, but to your last question, int doesn't boost accentato at all for hunting. I think it was also changed to not boost damage against players (it did in the past), but I'm not sure on that.

Accentato is still boosted by int. A cold accentato (no mental affs), is boosted by about the same amount as strength is (I usually got about 50 damage for each additional point of int or str) on players. The trick is the accentato portion does more damage to players based on the number of mental affs they have. Can actually go pretty high, but your target would have to be a complete imbecile.

On denizens, I don't know why it is but the physical part seems to deal way more damage than accentato. The scaling is also pathetic enough that I am running a con build for bashing.

Edit: to the OP of the question, I'd suggest a con build for both. The scaling is bad enough (and damage isn't -supposed- to be a huge part of Bard pvp) that, say, the con specced Horkval is fine.

Kuy

@Kresslack‌ : instead of changing class, buy defensive arties. Especially if you were considering buying credits for the change.

Sena

Nexes said:

On denizens, I don't know why it is but the physical part seems to deal way more damage than accentato. The scaling is also pathetic enough that I am running a con build for bashing.

That's how it's intended to work. Accentato simply deals 25% of whatever damage the jab did.

Klendathu

Sena said:

Nexes said:

On denizens, I don't know why it is but the physical part seems to deal way more damage than accentato. The scaling is also pathetic enough that I am running a con build for bashing.

That's how it's intended to work. Accentato simply deals 25% of whatever damage the jab did.

Regardless of int? Good shizzle, ma nizzle!

Achilles

Atalkez said:

I've played 3 classes the entire time I've played Achaea, so that part is completely untrue.

I'm not going to argue with whether my decision was right or not, however I would say my results speak for themselves. That's not to say I couldn't have done it in Targossas, but I didn't feel that way. As you said that was completely up to me.

My question is if you saw me dying to stupid things, and you kept track of your K:D ratio at the time:
Why is this the first I've heard about it? Wouldn't it be advantageous to pull the noob aside and say hey you're doing x wrong and should try y. I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure this never happened. If it had, maybe I wouldn't have left Targossas?

I asked plenty of people (including the ones you listed) about what to do and got very small information from them. Again, if I felt the information was adequate, why would I have left? Every person that I interact with in combat situations, I've asked questions of at one point or another. I knew nothing when I started, so I'm 100% positive I asked questions at that time too.

In the end, it doesn't matter. I've learned what I learned entirely from the paths that I've taken my character through. You can ask anyone, I'm constantly telling people things I see them doing wrong to try to make sure they have information they won't get elsewhere. I've taken strives to teach any of our young people in Mhaldor anything I am able. You may disagree with my decision but that's okay. I still stand behind it as being the reason I'm where I am now combat wise.

You must have switched between 2-3 of those classes within a couple of months, it's been a year or so but I do remember giving you a nice rapier for free.  And it was long my standard practice to give constructive criticism (through tells, I'm not trying to dress down anyone) to everyone after big fights on little things they can improve for both the sake of the group and their own survival.  We even started an OOC combat clan to try to help address this.  Also, more than a few people invested time in you in Targossas which is why we even cared enough to raid Ashtan when you broke your oath (as I recall people whined about how much you died for it but further documentation of your general recklessness as you kept trying to fight a group by yourself).  

I don't disagree with your decision, it is always yours to make and I sincerely hope you enjoyed it.  But don't try to paint Targ as not offering you support when you started.

Kuy

He didn't. You're being too defensive.

Not everyone meshes with the people in Targ. Just like not everyone meshes with the people in Ashtan.

Atalkez

Achilles said:

Atalkez said:

I've played 3 classes the entire time I've played Achaea, so that part is completely untrue.

I'm not going to argue with whether my decision was right or not, however I would say my results speak for themselves. That's not to say I couldn't have done it in Targossas, but I didn't feel that way. As you said that was completely up to me.

My question is if you saw me dying to stupid things, and you kept track of your K:D ratio at the time:
Why is this the first I've heard about it? Wouldn't it be advantageous to pull the noob aside and say hey you're doing x wrong and should try y. I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure this never happened. If it had, maybe I wouldn't have left Targossas?

I asked plenty of people (including the ones you listed) about what to do and got very small information from them. Again, if I felt the information was adequate, why would I have left? Every person that I interact with in combat situations, I've asked questions of at one point or another. I knew nothing when I started, so I'm 100% positive I asked questions at that time too.

In the end, it doesn't matter. I've learned what I learned entirely from the paths that I've taken my character through. You can ask anyone, I'm constantly telling people things I see them doing wrong to try to make sure they have information they won't get elsewhere. I've taken strives to teach any of our young people in Mhaldor anything I am able. You may disagree with my decision but that's okay. I still stand behind it as being the reason I'm where I am now combat wise.

You must have switched between 2-3 of those classes within a couple of months, it's been a year or so but I do remember giving you a nice rapier for free.  And it was long my standard practice to give constructive criticism (through tells, I'm not trying to dress down anyone) to everyone after big fights on little things they can improve for both the sake of the group and their own survival.  We even started an OOC combat clan to try to help address this.  Also, more than a few people invested time in you in Targossas which is why we even cared enough to raid Ashtan when you broke your oath (as I recall people whined about how much you died for it but further documentation of your general recklessness as you kept trying to fight a group by yourself).  

I don't disagree with your decision, it is always yours to make and I sincerely hope you enjoyed it.  But don't try to paint Targ as not offering you support when you started.

I didn't,  merely that it wasn't to the level I would have liked. I was 2 classes from the Trial until I left Targossas. That was over the course of an ooc year. Your memory sucks old man!

Kenway

Atalkez said:

I left Targossas to learn combat because I felt like I wasn't being taught enough there.

The Ashura have Kross, Nemutaur, Jhui, etc 

The Legates have Xinna and Hasar. To a lesser degree myself and a few others can help too.

Not sure what combatants that the other Houses have outside of like Aelios/Gerwulf/Kenway, etc

Awwww

Nexes

Sena said:

Nexes said:

On denizens, I don't know why it is but the physical part seems to deal way more damage than accentato. The scaling is also pathetic enough that I am running a con build for bashing.

That's how it's intended to work. Accentato simply deals 25% of whatever damage the jab did.

Sachika

Sena said:

Nexes said:

On denizens, I don't know why it is but the physical part seems to deal way more damage than accentato. The scaling is also pathetic enough that I am running a con build for bashing.

That's how it's intended to work. Accentato simply deals 25% of whatever damage the jab did.

Would a str build be ideal for hunting, then, even for a non-Horkval?

Cynlael

Kresslack said:

There's literally like one Runewarden in Mhaldor right now

Trade you.

hwho
Member              Rank      HTell  HNTell  Probation      Class
------              ----      -----  ------  ---------      -----
Vad                   01        Off      On         No      Blademaster
Kazeno                02        Off      On         No      Runewarden
Iolai                 06         On      On         No      Runewarden
Daklore               05         On      On         No      Runewarden
Aerek                 15         On      On         No      Runewarden
Drual                 03         On      On         No      Priest
Tehuti                01        Off      On         No      Alchemist
Sek                   03         On      On         No      Blademaster
Dracemir              05         On      On         No      Runewarden
Kerria                15         On      On         No      Runewarden
Jiri                  01        Off      On         No      Runewarden
3878h, 3850m, 99%e, 100%w, |EE M [75%|21]

Even more on CWHO, too.

Tesha

@Liatris late, but if you want to learn, there's no reason you can't learn in Targossas. One on one teaching will always be superior to a broad house curriculum (at least if the teacher knows what they're talking about), and assuming you're asking for Liatris, you even have a Magi combatant in your city (hi)!

Sena

Sachika said:

Sena said:

Nexes said:

On denizens, I don't know why it is but the physical part seems to deal way more damage than accentato. The scaling is also pathetic enough that I am running a con build for bashing.

That's how it's intended to work. Accentato simply deals 25% of whatever damage the jab did.

Would a str build be ideal for hunting, then, even for a non-Horkval?

Strength for offence or con for defence.

Whether you'll want to focus on offence or defence varies. If your connection is poor/slow, you'll probably want to focus on defence so you aren't always dying to random lag spikes or disconnections. If you plan on buying hunting artefacts, boosting your defence with artefacts is a lot easier/cheaper than offence, so a strength build will probably be better. If you just prefer safer hunting, go con, if you prefer faster hunting and don't mind the extra risk then go with strength. All of this is pretty much true for every class.

Kayeil

Is there a way to turn off that feature that now secretly saves our sent messages? I'm one of those who regularly cleans out my inbox, and it's annoying to have to keep track of messages I can't easily sort through with doing rmsg # every time.

Xinna

Atalkez said:

Achilles said:

Atalkez said:

I've played 3 classes the entire time I've played Achaea, so that part is completely untrue.

I'm not going to argue with whether my decision was right or not, however I would say my results speak for themselves. That's not to say I couldn't have done it in Targossas, but I didn't feel that way. As you said that was completely up to me.

My question is if you saw me dying to stupid things, and you kept track of your K:D ratio at the time:
Why is this the first I've heard about it? Wouldn't it be advantageous to pull the noob aside and say hey you're doing x wrong and should try y. I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure this never happened. If it had, maybe I wouldn't have left Targossas?

I asked plenty of people (including the ones you listed) about what to do and got very small information from them. Again, if I felt the information was adequate, why would I have left? Every person that I interact with in combat situations, I've asked questions of at one point or another. I knew nothing when I started, so I'm 100% positive I asked questions at that time too.

In the end, it doesn't matter. I've learned what I learned entirely from the paths that I've taken my character through. You can ask anyone, I'm constantly telling people things I see them doing wrong to try to make sure they have information they won't get elsewhere. I've taken strives to teach any of our young people in Mhaldor anything I am able. You may disagree with my decision but that's okay. I still stand behind it as being the reason I'm where I am now combat wise.

You must have switched between 2-3 of those classes within a couple of months, it's been a year or so but I do remember giving you a nice rapier for free.  And it was long my standard practice to give constructive criticism (through tells, I'm not trying to dress down anyone) to everyone after big fights on little things they can improve for both the sake of the group and their own survival.  We even started an OOC combat clan to try to help address this.  Also, more than a few people invested time in you in Targossas which is why we even cared enough to raid Ashtan when you broke your oath (as I recall people whined about how much you died for it but further documentation of your general recklessness as you kept trying to fight a group by yourself).  

I don't disagree with your decision, it is always yours to make and I sincerely hope you enjoyed it.  But don't try to paint Targ as not offering you support when you started.

I didn't,  merely that it wasn't to the level I would have liked. I was 2 classes from the Trial until I left Targossas. That was over the course of an ooc year. Your memory sucks old man!

Eh. It's not a secret that Targossas is not one of the best cities for learning combat. If it were, it would have more good fighters. Most of Targossas's good fighters come from other cities. That's just the way things are, currently.

Ashtan is the top city for learning combat. But you sacrifice RP and immersion, cause the people you're going to learn from are the Babel crew, and their parties are pretty much always OOC.

Mhaldor is second best. There are a few of us who put a ton of work into helping others learn combat, and I think it shows in how our fighters are developing.

Targossas or Eleusis would be third. Eleusis gives all its people scripts and stuff to help them with group combat, but doesn't really teach much 1v1 afaik. Maybe in the Sentinels. Not sure. Its best fighters are in weird timezones, so gl if you never see them. Targossas just doesn't have many fighters who put as much time and effort into teaching others as Ashtan and Mhaldor do. Its fighters often keep to themselves, probably because a lot of the city isn't very interested in combat. But whereas in Mhaldor, you'll be frequently encouraged to ask questions about combat, training sessions are held, etc. etc., and in Ashtan, you can hook up with a group that's always willing to talk combat/test things with you/write scripts for you, etc., in Targossas you're more likely to have to seek out aide and hope you find someone who can give good aide (some people will offer to help, but will actually not know what they're talking about), and won't get -as much- aide even when you ask, most likely.

Cyrene and Hashan don't fight. Gl.

Valus

Seeing how we have a free trait reset again, I decided to go back being a sentinel (yes I lost half of my lessons because I embraced being a Monk) ANYWAY my question was should I keep using the traits Nimble, Blissful Ignorance, Meticulous Care & Robust?

Cynlael

Those traits are fine, yes. You'll want Fully Fit / Master Contemplator as your next minor traits, Sentinel uses a lot of endurance / willpower, if you're bashing with reflexes.

Theris

When configuring custom prompts, is there a way for groves users to see their stored quarterstaff energy? The class-specific resources tag (*r) doesn't seem to do it.

Iocun

If you really want to learn to fight, it doesn't matter what city you're in. A city full of helpful combatants simply makes the initial steps a bit quicker/easier.