League of Legends

Eiredhel

Erasariel said:

Oh my god you guys

if you want to undermine and shit-talk each other, go and make a thread for that in the sewers

this is almost as bad as the politics threads in the old OOC forums

almost

Not even close, BABBBEHHHHH~<3

Cynlael

No one. Mentioned. Putting. Tryndamere. Or Yi. In. Bot lane.

How many times do I need to say this before it actually gets through to you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LPzaN7Gur74#t=15299s

(Edited for more recent, in case someone would object to a slightly older video)

AD build Tryndamere says 'Hi'

Ps. game start 4:14:34

Azi

AD build Tryndamere != ADC

also, you don't have to WTF every post of mine just because I disagree with you

it kind of makes it look you can't understand normal thinking

edit: 

[ADC definition #1] 'an attack damage champion who scales greatly from items' (tryndamere)

[ADC definition #2] 'an attack damage champion who can carry the game by dominating bot lane, neutrals, and team fights' (varus)\

@Cynlael - if Tryndamere doesn't go bot, where does he go? Top? that makes him a top-laner, not an ADC... and he's not even a great one, he'll lose to champs like Riven

just stop posting, you obviously haven't played outside of bronze, if that

Cynlael

By your logic, and by making an example:

Rumble top, lane swapping with Caitlyn/Janna bot means Rumble is the new ad carry, while Caitlyn is the top laner (And, no longer an ad carry)

Yep. Makes perfect sense.

Also, have you ever heard of this thing called a Jungler? :O :O :O
What is that, you ask? It is a champion whose main role, outside of controlling objectives, is to help their team mates win their lanes, and to help someone that gets counter picked, but is able to carry a late game match effectively be more of a threat early game and prevent being shutdown by their lane opponent. :O

I find it ironic how you claim I haven't played a game outside of bronze, when you seem to forget about one of the most important roles in the game.

Pleasure to be of service, friend.

PS: Lane swapping works for every lane. In case you didn't know. You don't have to swap just top/bot lane. Enjoy your wood division plays.

Daklore

Guuuuys. Staaaaahp. What are you doing? Stahp!

Jarrod

Cynlael said:

Give Yi blue buff and send him bot lane, and he'll out farm your ad carry left-right and centre, same can be said for Karthus, Olaf (scariest thing you can have early game), Urgot or Khazix. By your very definition of 'sticking to the meta' you're saying that lane swaps should never be pulled, which is just plain idiotic.

Cynlael said:

No one. Mentioned. Putting. Tryndamere. Or Yi. In. Bot lane.

So...when you realize you're just plain stupid and changing your point freely when people indicate how stupid you are, are you aware of it or do you honestly thing you're right?

Sohl

A champion might have AD ratios and be fed enough to carry a game, but that does not make them an ADC.

The term ADC refers to a very specific role in a team composition. An essential part of this definition is being ranged - you don't want to be spending gold on tank items, because that's taking away from your damage potential. That means you have to be a range champ, or you'll get shredded in team fights.

@Cynlael I'm sure you're a competent player, and you've won many games, but your definition of ADC is not the same as the definition used in the LoL community.

Cynlael

inb4 'tl;dr lol'


Carry: (also Known as ADC : Attack Damage Carry ) Champions with high auto-attack damage but low defense. Most carries have skills, passive or active, that scales with their stats, such as an increase in Base Damage and Attack Speed or allowing them to keep themself safe, and rely on their regular attack to dish out damage. Carry champions are extremely effective late-game at "carrying" the team to victory, either by killing off key players on the enemy team or deal large damage in team fights because they have tremendous damage output, but low defense. Due to this, they are key champions and are primary targets for enemy team. As a result, they require tanky teammates like fighters and tanks for protection as they lack survivability.

Checklist time:
                    Tryndamere / Master Yi (AD, not scumbag AP)
High AD:              X                X
Low Def:              X                X
AD Reliant:          X                X
Ability to dish
out damage:        X                 X

Well then. There you have it. Both have high attack damage with low defence, and steroid abilities that allow them to rely on said attack damage (Yi via his double attack passive, attack speed on ult, and further increase of AD on his E. Tryndamere via increased damage on his Q at lower health, which his ult helps to keep up, as well as bonus critical strike chance from fury.) Both can carry by assassinating priority targets, hell they can even rip through bruisers if they aren't the mindless type who think Yi and Tryndamere are initiators (See: The above game) - The other strategy both of these champions can utilise to great potential (As does Shaco, another mentioned champion, although not typically a laner), the most commonly hated tactic: Backdooring. Yep, just another way that these two champions can carry the game but is also reliant on their team mates not jumping headfirst into a 4v5, and instead staying back to protect their own turrets.

There you go, positive discussion from me. Shocking, isn't it? :O

Simple question for you for you guys to answer: What two champions are listed on that page? Hmm.....

Edit: Small addition to the above checklist:

• Carries can only usually beat supports and tanks 1v1 but kill everything if they are protected.
• Due to their low health Carries are almost always beaten by the high burst that Mages output.

Hmm... I wonder which two champions fall under this... Surely not Yi and Trynd.

Layna

@Everyone.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/ADC

ADC could refer to champions who have been tagged as Attack Damage Carries, such as:

Fiora

Gangplank

Master Yi

Tryndamere

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_terminology

And just for giggles, an actual quote from Morello himself, in which he uses the term ADC to apply to melee champions.

' I think a fix to Riposte is just cool and a win, but it won't do much for why ADC's that are melee are not balanceable at the moment. Xypherous has been messing with this a bit.'

ADC can be melee, they just aren't as viable ATM as ranged.

Tahquil

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG.

I can play LOL at home again. For the first time in 5 months I can sit in the comfort of my own home and play LOL instead of having to sneak to my boyfriend's place and play a guilt-ridden game once every fortnight where the conversation goes something like :

Me : I'm so sorry.

Him : No, no it's fine. You just keep playing your game.

Me : I'm really sorr- GET HIM GET HIM! Sorry...

Him: Seriously dude, it's fine.

Me : .. I'll stop playing now.

Him : Aww why did you stop playing, I'm fine with you playing your game.

Me : I'm sorry...

 

Now, to spam this thread with many games of "DOH! I forgot boots/pots again." and "Sorry guys, my trackpad was sticky and that's why I missed all my ults."

Sohl

The pages linked to the league wikia refer to champions tagged as ADC by Riot in the client itself - tags that have been widely disparaged by the community for years as outdated.

The Morello quote sounds like a simple mistake in the use of terms.

It's easy for there to be confusion regarding a game's jargon, especially with terms as ambiguous as "ADC". Within the community, however, ADC refers specifically to ranged champions. You can have your own definitions and use it however you like, but just bear in mind that what other people mean by ADC, and what you mean, will be two different things.

Erasariel

Holy shit @tahquil you use a TRACKPAD to play league?

Massive props. That takes balls of steel to do.

Synbios

Erasariel said:

Holy shit @tahquil you use a TRACKPAD to play league? Massive props. That takes balls of steel to do.

I see what you did there.

Erasariel

Wait, what'd i do? o.o

Cynlael

This just in, game developers don't actually know anything about their own game.

Thanks @Sohl.

Sohl

You're not a very nice person.

Edit: And yes, there's very often a disconnect between developers and the community, but my point was that he used one term when he meant to use another, not that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Layna

Sohl said:

You're not a very nice person.

Edit: And yes, there's very often a disconnect between developers and the community, but my point was that he used one term when he meant to use another, not that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

He specifically used the term 'melee ADC' and he has used it more than once. I just picked one particular quote. I'm pretty sure he knows better than you, what he was referring to.

I've also heard countless pro's use the term 'melee ADC' and since they make up the competitive scene in LoL, they'd know better than randoms playing in solo q.

Sohl

Layna said:

I've also heard countless pro's use the term 'melee ADC' 

I don't believe you, but I suppose this disagreement has run its course.

Jarrod

Please point me out to a single quote of a pro player that uses that term. Please.

Also, please don't pretend the developers are any good at playing the game.

Cynlael

Wings and Westrice have both used that term.

Knowing about how the game works, and what's in their game != being good at the game (which you aren't either lol)

Please prove me wrong. Please.

Jarrod

Voyboy refers to Tryn as an assassin, Alex Ich does for Yi (albeit ap).

So...actual pros vs good streamers.

Eiredhel

If someone has to say 'melee adc' that means that the standard adc is ranged. Just pointing that out. Also if you call ADC in a match, people expect you to play a ranged adc. Melee adcs are considered, for the most part, very hit and miss. Like jungle Yi has to have a lot of farm to just push and win solo, same for Yi, same for Tryndamere. 

Anyway, the only reason someone goes ad yi, is for jungling. Lane Yi is AP. And AP Trynd is apparently popular. 

MORE IMPORTANTLY THOUGH:

Go @Tahquil!!!!

Edit: Is anyone else having serious ping issues on SR lately? For some reason my usual 10-30 ping is 350-999 o.o but I have no ping issues on the ARAM map T_T I just barely managed to win my ranked game cause I had an awesome team and I was playing lux. 

Layna

Jarrod said:

Voyboy refers to Tryn as an assassin, Alex Ich does for Yi (albeit ap).

So...actual pros vs good streamers.

Uh.

Westrice and Wings are both pro players. 

Blujixapug

This thread is such a pile of puke lately.

Why are people incapable of encountering opinions that differ to their own without mighty morphing into the purple power ranger of aggressive belligerence? (That was a rhetorical question, please do not attempt to answer it.)

Cynlael

@Jarrod: You're wrong, but it's okay. I'm sure you're a pretty cool guy.
@Sohl: You're a pretty cool guy too, stay classy bro.
@Blujixapug You rage a lot IG but I dunno w/e.
@Everyone else I've no idea who you are but It's okay, too.

Let's heed Lord @Daklore and his mighty speech, now.
http://i.imgur.com/OkPKipY.jpg
Nidalee support, while amusing in lane, is just boring old Nidalee when it gets to mid/late game

Synbios

Blujixapug said:

This thread is such a pile of puke lately.

Why are people incapable of encountering opinions that differ to their own without mighty morphing into the purple power ranger of aggressive belligerence? (That was a rhetorical question, please do not attempt to answer it.)

Hey man, no dissing on the purple ranger.

Erasariel said:

Wait, what'd i do? o.o

Trackpad, ball, don't explain joke, etc. But yeah, @Tahquil's probably the first person I've seen(at least in Achaea) who plays using a trackball. That being said, how's the experience compared to using a mouse, @Tahquil?

Jarrod

Layna said:

Jarrod said:

Voyboy refers to Tryn as an assassin, Alex Ich does for Yi (albeit ap).

So...actual pros vs good streamers.

Uh.

Westrice and Wings are both pro players. 

There's a very large difference between being a sub or on a team and being a professional player in the LCS.

Azi

@Jarrod @Sohl

thank you for understanding

@Cynlael

your inability to recognize the difference between the two terms (adc[1] referring to the role in the current meta & adc[2] referring to Riot's incredibly outdated champion classifications) indicates that you neither play the game on my level nor understand what you are talking about

that must be why you clicked 'wtf' on all my posts - you are completely clueless

btw, there is no wood league - you would know that if you even played ranked, scrub

Cynlael

Azi said:

btw, there is no wood league - you would know that if you even played ranked, scrub

Thank you for making my troll attempt successful, Mr Non-Level 30

@Jarrod: Pretty sure you already know they're both pro players, you're just trying to be difficult now.
Now, please realise when you should just quit talking and get the thread back on track just like everyone apparently wants.

PS: @Azi, you're a knob. Be quiet.

Azi

Cynlael said:

Also, have you ever heard of this thing called a Jungler? :O :O :O

Yep. I mentioned that earlier but apparently you can't read either

Azi said:

trynd any other lane is not an adc - he is a bruiser top or an assassin jungler

clearly, you still don't understand that 'adc' refers to a role, not a build

hey @cynlael, you missed a spot - scrub harder