Combat Logs

Achilles

Jovolo said:

 Prior to Frenzy, it's better than vivi in most cases (especially as an insta).

Man this is so false I had to comment.  On this log alone it displayed the biggest changes in the past 18 months for damnation

Targeted arc
Pipe Balance
Hellsight instantly proccing

From what I can tell from the log, Mizik could have just stayed in room, touched tree and used a fool tarot on himself aftering fixing level 1 arm with mending.  He probably had fashions that could have mangled an arm too (not sure if this would stop damnation) and this is against Jester, the class without fitness and shrugging or any passive curing.

Paladin me when I hellsight and didn't see an immediate smoke

Jovolo

Without frenzy* Damnation > Vivisect.

Mizik

Bro, stick kalmia for head break then hellsight + gecko + arc monkshood in one go = gg.

w/e bro that was fight #3, and I was cruising for a new creative way to kill him again.

And somersault over icewall/banana peels > any other defense.

Edit: Or is Hellsight not guaranteed gecko 1st?

Edit: It is, ur all noobs. GO BACK TO UR SCRUB TIERS AND DON'T TALK TO ME

Edit: Jester fking hard. Especially vs Paladin.

Santar

Jester is a hard class.

Only, you forgot the:

Ernam

Jester is unkillable as most classes, if used correctly, which seems to be somewhat intended based on classlead submissions & results.  Knight and Monk are probably the worst off, but at least knights can impale.

Rangor

Needs more balloon and shackles.

Seftin

Mizik went Jester? Oh man, now I have to go jester too (if I could find the hashtag key on this keyboard this would be a hashtag)mizikemulator4life

Ernam

Hope this one is brief, I look forward to actually being willing to fight Mizik again.

Terra

Fashions. The one thing angel sacrifice DOESNT cure.

Ernam

I've used angel sacrifice outside of arena exactly twice, ever, one of which was specifically to troll you the day after you raised a shit-storm about it on forums. (I think I've used it 2-3 times in arena, but not in ranked spars)

If you're going to make a hobby out of trolling me using angel sacrifice, lets at least limit it to one post per actual use of the ability?  Seems fair.

Terra

That would require me to expend time and effort locking you, simply to have it unstoppably undone!

So, instead, I will mention it every time I think of locking you (or any other Angel Sacrificing Priest), but then think "oh, angel sacrifice" and refrain from engaging.

You can't expect someone to engage you in combat when you have an incredibly OP combat-ending ability. That's the entire reason for the complaints.

Ernam

First time I used angel sacrifice, I got away 1 aff from a truelock, because I was 2 rooms from Targossas when I used it, the other time, I was 3 rooms away from Targossas, and died 6 seconds after I used it, due to not having an angel.

Just to put things into (a realistic) perspective.

As you famously like to say: Just because you don't know how to counter it properly doesn't make something OP.  If I was a serpent, BM, jester, shaman, runewarden, etc, I would have easily made it the 2 rooms to Targossas just fine, as well, by simply using Evade/Travel/Raido to bail to city, instead of using angel sacrifice and tumbling my way to safety.

I'd choose an instant, unstoppable fast-travel any day, but all we have is an ability to cure us that comes with a massive penalty.


We're all becoming increasingly aware of bard's ability to truelock off a limb break.  So why not just prep two arms and do it twice, after angel sacrifice.  90% sure Sacrifice doesn't reset limb damage.

Terra

Ernam, believe it or not, not everything is about you.

I don't care if you use the ability or not. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether it is OP. I can't agree to duel or combat spar any priests until it gets nerfed, since it's not reasonably possible for me to beat it.

This is frustrating and annoying. I will not argue the details with you, again, however. I'm sure I or someone else already explained how angel sacrifice has nothing to do with fast travel abilities. Find that post and re-read it.

Edit: Regarding your suggestion, THAT'S THE POINT. YOU CAN'T. Angel sacrifice heals all limb prep, so you can't do anything after it, before they run away.

Ernam

So what you're saying is that it works exactly like soulcage?

Terra

Exactly. Soulcage that can be used every two minutes AND can be used in the arena. Aka invulnerability.

As we've said before.

Ernam

Ernam said:

Hope this one is brief, I look forward to actually being willing to fight Mizik again.

Terra said:

Fashions. The one thing angel sacrifice DOESNT cure.

Terra said:

Ernam, believe it or not, not everything is about you.

Insightful.

Klendathu

Ermergerd just staaahp

Jeslyn

Klendathu said:

Ermergerd just staaahp

I know! Every thread I'm in is about Angel sacrifice. It's not even that fun to use as a priest. Your angel is pretty much SOL after that for a good five minutes.

Saeva

I hope all of the angels just die.
Sorry, Laurette, you too!

Aerek

I, too, wish we could return to the days of having an Achaean forum, instead of Ernam's personal Op-Ed blog.

Granted, Terra shares some responsibility.

Jovolo

I wonder how much rage astralform and soulcage on a two minute cooldown would causet, tbh. Should do it.

Xer

Do a Priests defences remain after using Sacrifice?

Dunn

Yep.

Rangor

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/d631bdaa

@darkender

Darkender

I really really dislike guard haha

Mizik

No holds barred as Jester.

You're all gonna hate me when this is done. 

The coding and tracking is just so intense. 

Addama

More like no holes barred am I right

Ernam

Mizik said:

No holds barred as Jester.

You're all gonna hate me when this is done. 

All we have to do is dust off all the hate we had for jester Jarrel / Daje / Bonko, and assign it to you.

I seriously wish Jester didn't exist, it's a class pretty clearly built for griefing and extremely liberal slow-prepping (can slow prep for hours at a time).

Seems silly that for years we've been systematically deleting abilities from jester, but have never sat down to do what should be done: rebuilding the class so that its combat abilities aren't centered around doing lame crap.

I think at this point, after recent changes and the generalized player attitude, it is generally accepted that "slow-prepping" is bad for combat, because it doesn't give a chance for anyone who can't slow prep back a shadow of a chance.

Jester is the king of evasion/survival (arguably the best defensive class in the game).
Jester is also the king of slow prep, thanks to the existence of Puppetry, in general.

Combine a class with incredible hindrance, massive survivability, endless options for evasion, two instant, unstoppable world travel abilities, and a slew of defenses designed to avoid/mitigate various types of attacks - with the ability to slowly fashion someone up...

... and you have what shouldn't be seen as anything other than the perfect recipe for slow-prepping. The list of methods available to Jester to walk into your room, fashion a few times, and poof out of existence is outrageous.  If you aren't a monk, blademaster, or maybe sylvan, you may as well just heartstop or refuse to fight a Jester, because you're never (by design) going to get more than 2-3 consecutive attacks.

This type of stuff is why I have, and will continue to, refuse to interact with jesters in any form of combat, particularly in arenas, where the only counter to Jester slow prep (run away and stand by for bleed spam / invisible recklessness) is not possible.

Dunn

Yeah none of Mizik's strats that I have seen even require a doll.

Addama

Jester is a rather scary class just because they have so many different ways to construct an offense, and like Dunn said, throwing together a doll is just an option.