Combat Logs

Ernam

Claiming "attempting to sanction" while gravehands+soulspear ganking people at our clouds exit is a pretty silly thing to do, as well.

Santar

By the way, just to expand - The primary fallacy many of you are operating on is that you -need- a sanction. You don't -need- a sanction. It's something that you might have a goal for, but it's not something that you're automatically entitled to. For example, let's say I want to PK. I can't just go PK any random Joe Mama. I have to PK reasonably. I have to choose a fair and eligible target, or instigate some sort of conflict where someone willfully involves themself in PK with me. I can't just force it upon them without their consent.

Try to think of sanction and room destruction as an optional reward. It is designed as a rewarding victory condition for a raid which fostered relatively fair and healthy conflict on each side. This is built right into the system - To progress a sanctioned raid requires that there be people willing to fight you. You shouldn't think of sanction as a quest to shank 5 randoms and then wait 30 minutes to gain room destruction. You should just raid and do your thing, and if no healthy conflict arises from your raid, then a sanction isn't in the cards. It can be frustrating for both sides, but stooping to griefing people that can't put up a fight against you isn't appropriate.

Again, I fully agree that this is not a perfect system. However, the administration assured us in the past that if there was an overwhelming amount of abuse in regards to defenders just doing nothing, that changes would be made. I would still like to see a refined system that somehow addresses all the problems, but I personally don't have a solution for that, and I'm not sure if there is a solution that solves everything.


And like Mizik said, the admin -are- lenient on stuff like this, but just showing up and killing a random soldier or citizen because "want sanction" shouldn't be looked upon favourably. If you show yourself in the city and they're aware of you, THEN it's ok to start attacking usual defenders or people that look like they're planning to participate. Just do it honorably. Make your intent and presence in the city clear and fight the people who are willing to fight you. That's always been my take on doing such a raid. Show up, make presence known, then if anyone still comes near you, or is a usual defender, consider them open season after a couple minutes.

Ernam

Really well said, @Santar.

Re: PK rules
Well, like most rules, this one's going to be ignored until the admin hammers someone for it.  See: Forum rule #1.

Hasar

Ernam said:

Claiming "attempting to sanction" while gravehands+soulspear ganking people at our clouds exit is a pretty silly thing to do, as well.

You can't shoot into targ from east of clouds.

Ernam

I see what you did there.  By turning the two situations I was talking about into one, combined situation, you made me look dishonest!

Fortunately for you, everyone knows that Mhaldor would never gravehands/soulspear gank at clouds exits.

Wish people would just stick to the subject instead of trying to discredit the person making valid points.

Austere

Fortunately for you, everyone knows that you would never twist the facts.

Ernam

A: Hey, you're breaking the rules
B: Nu uh.
C: Yeah, you actually are.
B: Well "A" is a liar, so there.
rabble rabble rabble

Hasar

Ernam said:Hasar said:

Ernam said:

Claiming "attempting to sanction" while gravehands+soulspear ganking people at our clouds exit is a pretty silly thing to do, as well.

You can't shoot into targ from east of clouds.

Fortunately for you, everyone knows that Mhaldor would never gravehands/soulspear gank at clouds.

When has anyone given the reason "trying to sanction" for attacking you at clouds exit?

Atalkez

No more derail, actual combat log:

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/fae60700

Just can't even hunt without interacting with morons.

Anedhel

3v1? Nice

Bukariin

Technically 2v1 for most of it, but yeah.

I especially like Dajio's last feeble attempt to get a word in after being megadumpstered

Atalkez

Could have ganked Valentinus too since she attacked me but I figured 2 was enough. Such a softie. 

@Jhui if a scrub kills two scrubs at the same time does that still make him a scrub? I think yes.

Austere

@Atalkez‌, scrub for life. 

Halios

Ernam said:

Atalkez said:

Well I learned something new today ha. I always go into Targ or Mdor and see who I can find afk.

I can pretty much guarantee you if you straight up gank some midbie soldier who you've never even heard of or interacted with, and they issue you, it will be dropped.  The rules might be the rules, but they don't seem to really matter much recently.  Santar calls it "the Mhaldor Immunity clause", but it honestly applies to pretty much anyone.

As for issuing, I personally blame the new mark system (along with, of course, the people breaking the rules).  If the M-train 5v1 exp farms you with no damn reason at all, you can hire.  But if they come back and do it again 10 minutes later, what are you left with?  Obviously you can't hire again, so your options are: 1) completely ignore the fact that they're breaking PK rules, or 2) issue them, and almost certainly see it dismissed for "lack of IC resolution" (whatever the f- that even means).

I believe you believe this is what happen(s) to you.

However, it's not.

Austere

Honestly,  I doubt M-train is farming xp 5v1.  I raid Mhaldor every chance I get,  stay infamous more times than not, and I never get ganked, even though I deserve it more often than not.  I can generally chill at clouds with a few Mhaldorians and not have to worry, unless I instigate(hello @Ayoxele‌).  

Jovolo

>Not using airfist on a Monk

Cahin

I don't think many of the current combat crew care much about experience. If anything, Ayoxele may be farming you for his KDR, but outside of that people just generally like combat interaction/dislike Ernam.

Ernam

I can count the number of Mhaldorians who will fight me 1v1 on my thumbs.  Since 95% of the playerbase has made it clear that they can't separate in-game rivals with OOC vendettas, it's clear to me that if Mhaldorians don't hate me, I'm doing something wrong.

Austere

Honestly,  I can't stand you in game.  Ooc, you have your moments that I can agree with you, but I think a lot of it is self induced flaming.  Stop pointing fingers so much, accept some responsibility,  and I guarantee that more people will side with you. 

Valentinus

Heylo everyone.

Anyway, it was just 75 gold and I didn't feel like being ganked by someone who is 335% my might over that.  I have shield raze on auto for hunting which went off when Atalkez walked back into the room, so he could have but didn't, like a sweetie.

This aside, I'm pretty scrubby regardless and die a lot, but I still try to help with city defense since I'm in the army and all.

Austere

Don't auto anything combat. Easiest way to avoid that.  I would have hit all three of you after the insanity, so it was nice of him

Atalkez

Valentinus said:

Heylo everyone.

Anyway, it was just 75 gold and I didn't feel like being ganked by someone who is 335% my might over that.  I have shield raze on auto for hunting which went off when Atalkez walked back into the room, so he could have but didn't, like a sweetie.

This aside, I'm pretty scrubby regardless and die a lot, but I still try to help with city defense since I'm in the army and all.

Ruining my cred.

Austere

Atalkez said:

Valentinus said:

Heylo everyone.

Anyway, it was just 75 gold and I didn't feel like being ganked by someone who is 335% my might over that.  I have shield raze on auto for hunting which went off when Atalkez walked back into the room, so he could have but didn't, like a sweetie.

This aside, I'm pretty scrubby regardless and die a lot, but I still try to help with city defense since I'm in the army and all.

Ruining my cred.

And you wonder why you are a scrub. 

Cahin

Ernam said:

I can count the number of Mhaldorians who will fight me 1v1 on my thumbs.  Since 95% of the playerbase has made it clear that they can't separate in-game rivals with OOC vendettas, it's clear to me that if Mhaldorians don't hate me, I'm doing something wrong.

There are parts of you that are endearing, namely your dedication and also the part of you that goes out of your way to help others with coding issues.  It's the other part, the self-entitled and delusional portion that tends to dominate those good qualities when representing you, that I believe others have a problem with.  It would be one thing if that was your characters RP, but it carries over to the forums as well.

Halios

Cahin said:

Ernam said:

I can count the number of Mhaldorians who will fight me 1v1 on my thumbs.  Since 95% of the playerbase has made it clear that they can't separate in-game rivals with OOC vendettas, it's clear to me that if Mhaldorians don't hate me, I'm doing something wrong.

There are parts of you that are endearing, namely your dedication and also the part of you that goes out of your way to help others with coding issues.  It's the other part, the self-entitled and delusional portion that tends to dominate those good qualities when representing you, that I believe others have a problem with.  It would be one thing if that was your characters RP, but it carries over to the forums as well.

Or when, you know, having a discussion regarding a pk incident to try to work it out without issues.

Me coming to you for IC resolution or person to person discussion of the events is not a pass for you to be pedantic and demeaning. I don't know if it's something in your personality Ernam, or something else, but sometimes people will disagree with you, and sometimes you will lose the disagreement, or the game, or both. If you can't handle that, then you should play single player games.

I'm not going to post logs or anything, but you really need to reflect on the paradigm Cahin is referencing, and maybe people will start giving you more benefit of the doubt.

Carmell

Santar said:

And like Mizik said, the admin -are- lenient on stuff like this, but just showing up and killing a random soldier or citizen because "want sanction" shouldn't be looked upon favourably. If you show yourself in the city and they're aware of you, THEN it's ok to start attacking usual defenders or people that look like they're planning to participate. Just do it honorably. Make your intent and presence in the city clear and fight the people who are willing to fight you. That's always been my take on doing such a raid. Show up, make presence known, then if anyone still comes near you, or is a usual defender, consider them open season after a couple minutes.

I'd be ok with this if I hadn't been ganked more then once standing at the appellants handbook with a newbie when someone decided they wanted to get a sanction.  Honestly though it's going to happen and it happens on all sides so you just learn to deal with it.

Austere

Carmell said:

Santar said:

And like Mizik said, the admin -are- lenient on stuff like this, but just showing up and killing a random soldier or citizen because "want sanction" shouldn't be looked upon favourably. If you show yourself in the city and they're aware of you, THEN it's ok to start attacking usual defenders or people that look like they're planning to participate. Just do it honorably. Make your intent and presence in the city clear and fight the people who are willing to fight you. That's always been my take on doing such a raid. Show up, make presence known, then if anyone still comes near you, or is a usual defender, consider them open season after a couple minutes.

I'd be ok with this if I hadn't been ganked more then once standing at the appellants handbook with a newbie when someone decided they wanted to get a sanction.  Honestly though it's going to happen and it happens on all sides so you just learn to deal with it.

You get an "awesome" for taking it like a champ. Wish more people had the deal with it attitude.  Well done. 

Aegoth

Did what I could. Hat's off to you, @Rom‌

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/31d97c7f

Chiam

Austere said:

Honestly,  I doubt M-train is farming xp 5v1.  I raid Mhaldor every chance I get,  stay infamous more times than not, and I never get ganked, even though I deserve it more often than not.  I can generally chill at clouds with a few Mhaldorians and not have to worry, unless I instigate(hello @Ayoxele‌).  

With Mhaldor having so many enemies (all cities, actually), I'd say you're probably pretty low priority on the to-gank list, if there is one. That list would most probably be based on annoyance level, too.

Alrena

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/02501659

Well, that was kinda funny.