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  • DartegaDartega
    Might just be personal opinion, since I'm not around as much, but I feel we also very rarely have our solid core of fighters around. 
    It's way easier to take risks and have fun fights if the group was me, Sothantos, Terra, Santar, Achilles/Antonius (They're the same person right?) and Tesha, but that probably hasn't been the case since we had that war with Mhaldor. 
    No offense to the other Targs or anything, and I know its our responsibility to get people up to shape, but that can be a daunting task and refining tactics without a core group to rely on to use those tactics is rough. 
  • AchillesAchilles Los Angeles
    Dartega said:
    Might just be personal opinion, since I'm not around as much, but I feel we also very rarely have our solid core of fighters around. 
    It's way easier to take risks and have fun fights if the group was me, Sothantos, Terra, Santar, Achilles/Antonius (They're the same person right?) and Tesha, but that probably hasn't been the case since we had that war with Mhaldor. 
    No offense to the other Targs or anything, and I know its our responsibility to get people up to shape, but that can be a daunting task and refining tactics without a core group to rely on to use those tactics is rough. 
    This is pretty much it.  Our earring train has been broken for awhile, we have to lead some pretty unartied people around who are open to learning but still lack experience adapting to quick combat situations, especially if they are off balance and get left behind.  People should try fighting without the benefit of earrings and wings, Achaea life is so hard without them.
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  • DalranDalran
    edited February 2014
    Edit: lol no point in posting ignore :P
  • EldEld
    Dalran said:
    I'm not sure if I want to put my opinion in because I'm still pretty scrub and not sure if I count as one of the 5 main raiders with good synergy (doubt I am lol)
    If you're not sure, you're not.
  • TeshaTesha
    Jhui said:
    You guys need something flashy. Insta-inquisition + manaleech + mana-dmg that scales with the mana level the person died with in reverse up to 50% off the top of my head
    @Jhui for president. :x Cooler than this dog!

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    Which is pretty cool.

     i'm a rebel

  • KuyKuy
    Eh.  I don't have wings/earrings, and I do fine enough, all things considered.

    They're nice to have, but they're not a necessity.  If you think you need them, you're doing it wrong.
    [2:41:24 AM] Kenway: I bet you smell like evergreen trees and you could wrestle boreal mammals but they'd rather just cuddle you
  • MithridatesMithridates
    Black wind. Point invalid

  • TeshaTesha
    It's not one person having wings/earrings being a necessity, it's just an exceptionally strong advantage if one side has 8 pairs of earrings and everyone with wings and the other side has 1 pair of earrings and the leader doesn't have wings. 

     i'm a rebel

  • KuyKuy
    Mithridates said:
    Black wind. Point invalid
    Oh, right.

    That thing that always end up killing me because NO ONE FUCKING TOLD ME SHRINES STILL HIT YOU
    [2:41:24 AM] Kenway: I bet you smell like evergreen trees and you could wrestle boreal mammals but they'd rather just cuddle you
  • JovoloJovolo
    edited February 2014
    What... uh... wha

    blackwind is irrelevant to the wings topic btw.
  • SaevaSaeva
    Wings... you don't have to have them, no. Of course not. BUT MAN THEY ARE AWESOME!
    Oh darn, my party left me for the clouds cause I was off balance reflecting myself... NO WORRIES. I'll just use these wings and meet up with them.


  • JarrodJarrod
    Everytime I hear about how much earrings/wings give us a huge advantage I think back to every non-Major Teleport PK Egghunt/Bandersnatch and how we wiped the floor with people even harder than normal.

    Seriously, get off your crutches and practice walking on your own. Build coordination, come up with 2-3 person plans and try them out during raids. Anyone who constantly finds something else to blame for every loss will just continue losing.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • KafzielKafziel
    Mobility is more important when you're trying to attack 4 occies and 2 monks behind a wall and you have to walk 5 rooms over rubble to get to them.
  • MithridatesMithridates
    You can't honestly say that your mobility isn't half the reason you guys win skirmishes

  • KuyKuy
    edited February 2014
    Cooper said:
    That's fair, Jarrod, to expect people to be able to do things without earrings and to coordinate attacks efficiently without them.

    Coordinating attacks is just as easy with or without travel.  Keeping the group together, however, is a different story.  At the end of the day, though, keeping a group together is the onus of the individual, not the leader.  I'm willing to bet most of the people who have multiple earrings are capable of staying somewhat together without them (note that I did not say Ashtani with earrings).

    But for it to be fair for you, try raiding with your normal group against a normal defense and have everyone remove their earrings, including your usual stationary in Ashtan earring partners.

    Hasar keeps a lot of us together with portals.  When I was in Targ, Antidas used to keep us together with portals.  There's also prism.

    I will 100% guarantee that the raid will be more difficult and your group will suffer more losses in every single skirmish.

    No one would argue that removing any sort of benefit would lead to lower "success" rates.

    For additional difficulty add in the removal of wings and don't use empress.

    Why should we remove empress?  It's readily available to any raid group with a Tarot user - something that every single org has access to.  If your org doesn't have one, that's no one's fault.  Mhaldor could easily swing a Jester with awesome empressing abilities.

    I'm not even trolling. Imagine you're someone in Mhaldor who doesn't have wings or portal and you're raiding Eleusis. Shit, I used diagnose or shield right before the group moved to the other side of the city. Wtf am I gonna do now? Either: Shit whole enemy group walked in and killed me because I couldn't move due to being surrounded by totems happens or someone has to spend time killing two monoliths to portal you (assuming the group has a Magi to portal). It seriously -sucks- for people without wings or earrings.

    Mushroom sigil the monoliths.  That lets you portal, mind travel, brazier each other, vodun/puppet travel, Necromancers can blackwind, BMs/Serpents can evade, serps can phase.  Again, the onus here is on the individual, not the group.  Anyone can get around an enemy city if they're smart enough to think and act on their own.  If they're not, they'll either learn quick, be taught quick, or drop quick.  There's not much of a "time" factor in killing monoliths, either.  9/10, you'll be able to kill the monolith on both sides and portal/travel/brazier/prism to each other before that one lonely guy or girl gets picked off.
    The thing that we drove home when I was in Glomdoring as a Lusternian was that if you get left behind, that's your own fault.  You have no one to blame but yourself.  Your group leader is already busy doing any number of other things.  If you want to come raid with the team, you better be prepared to stay with us or die as you learn how to.  When everything's said and done, we'll tell you what you did wrong when we look over everything and teach you how to fix it, because that's how you better yourself: dying and asking why you died.

    It only takes two or three group combat situations before you pick up on the patterns of survival.  If it's taking longer than that, you definitely need to ask for some help.  There's nothing wrong with not knowing; there's everything wrong with not trying to learn more.

    tl;dr: The onus of group togetherness is on the individual, not the group.  Coordination, however, is a group effort that happens out of experience.
    [2:41:24 AM] Kenway: I bet you smell like evergreen trees and you could wrestle boreal mammals but they'd rather just cuddle you
  • JarrodJarrod
    You're basically saying we'd lose more if we had zero travel abilities and the city we were raiding had full access to them. Of course we would.

    On equal travel footing we'll be just as strong as we are now, and without totems/guards/worldburn to worry about (which we're almost always in or in range of 1+ of those) it's hardly fair for the other guys.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • TeshaTesha
    edited February 2014
    I think you're reading into people's posts too much. Nobody is saying it's anyone's fault but their own. We're just saying recovering from it easier with earrings etc., and earrings opens a lot of options with mobility. Higher mobility is an advantage. It's not the only difference between, for example, Ashtan and Targossas, but it's something that stands out when three people travel in to kill you and you don't have anyone to travel to to escape tentacles (or 3 people of your own to travel in). 

    Basically it's an advantage. It's not the only reason you win often, but it certainly helps. We should post more logs before Rangor starts beating us to death. Sentinels are scary. :(

     i'm a rebel

  • PenwizePenwize
    Tesha said:
    We should post more logs before Rangor starts beating us to death. Sentinels are scarysexy. :(
    Don't deny your love for Rangor.
  • KuyKuy
    Penwize said:
    Tesha said:
    We should post more logs before Rangor starts beating us to death. Sentinels are scarysexy. :(
    Don't deny your love for Rangor.
    AP Rangor OP.  Better nerf Irelia.
    [2:41:24 AM] Kenway: I bet you smell like evergreen trees and you could wrestle boreal mammals but they'd rather just cuddle you
  • MithridatesMithridates
    The whole point is about not having oneness it's about being able to leave and come back rapidly. The point is the ability to separate from the group and come back.

  • NaahNaah
    Could someone post a combat log? I'm sure there are plenty of discussion topics about mobility and Ashtan vs the World out there.
    Thanks~
  • MithridatesMithridates
    Later

  • TriakTriak
    Taking it back to the old school.  @Jhui so noob.

    unwield quarterstaff
    wield shield
    wield sword
    TRIGGERS OFF!
    behead jhui
    Your prismatic barrier dissolves into nothing.
    You aren't wielding that.
    3801h, 6377m, 18245e, 23229w cexkdb-
    You aren't wielding that.
    3801h, 6377m, 18245e, 23229w cexkdb-
    You are already wielding a Shield of Absorption in your left hand.
    3801h, 6377m, 18245e, 23229w cexkdb-
    You are already wielding a steel shortsword in your right hand.
    3801h, 6377m, 18245e, 23229w cexkdb-
    You raise your a steel shortsword over your head and begin to swing it in a wide
    circle, gaining speed as you go.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23229w cekdb-
    Jhui's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23219w cekdb-
    Jhui bursts into flame as a fiery efreeti spins into him.
    A water weird wounds Jhui with a glancing cut.
    The angry swarm of bees descends upon Jhui and stings him in multiple places.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23219w cekdb-
    Jhui takes a long drag off his pipe.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23219w cekdb-
    Jhui has writhed free of his entanglement by ropes.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23219w cekdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23219w cekdb-
    Jhui takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his skin.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23243w cekdb-
    Jhui takes a drink from a chestnut vial.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23243w cekdb-
    A vacant look crosses Jhui's face.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23243w cekdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23243w cekdb-
    You have recovered balance on all limbs.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23243w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23243w cexkdb-
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    3801h, 6377m, 18095e, 23243w cexkdb-
    Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
    3801h, 6377m, 18105e, 23243w cexkdb-
    A thorny vine whips out to strike at Jhui.
    3801h, 6377m, 18105e, 23243w cexkdb-
    A pair of vines suddenly lashes out from the undergrowth to entangle Jhui.
    ENTANGLED
    4030h, 6377m, 18105e, 23243w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4030h, 6377m, 18105e, 23243w cexkdb-
    You begin to bear down on Jhui, preparing to destroy him.
    4030h, 6377m, 18105e, 23233w cexkdb-
    Jhui bursts into flame as a fiery efreeti spins into him.
    A vacant look crosses Jhui's face.
    A water weird wounds Jhui with a glancing cut.
    The angry swarm of bees descends upon Jhui and stings him in multiple places.
    4030h, 6377m, 18105e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4030h, 6377m, 18105e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Jhui takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his skin.
    4030h, 6377m, 18105e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4030h, 6377m, 18105e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4030h, 6377m, 18105e, 23257w cexkdb-
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Parabol has been slain by the might of a guard pig.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23257w cexkdb-
    You suddenly perceive the vague outline of an aura of rebounding around Jhui.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Jhui's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Jhui has writhed free of his entanglement by ropes.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Jhui takes a long drag off his pipe.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23257w cexkdb-
    Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23257w cexkdb-
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23247w cexkdb-
    A thorny vine whips out to strike at Jhui.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23271w cexkdb-
    Frustratingly, your body won't respond to your call to action.
    You cease waving your sword.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23271w cexkdb-
    A vacant look crosses Jhui's face.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23271w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23271w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23271w cexkdb-
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    4030h, 6377m, 18115e, 23271w cexkdb-
    Jhui bursts into flame as a fiery efreeti spins into him.
    A water weird wounds Jhui with a glancing cut.
    The angry swarm of bees descends upon Jhui and stings him in multiple places.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23271w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23271w cexkdb-
    Jhui takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his skin.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23271w cexkdb-'so close
    You say, "So close."
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-
    Jhui Mercadia-Ta'sa says, "Whew."
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-
    Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-
    A pair of vines suddenly lashes out from the undergrowth to entangle Jhui.
    ENTANGLED
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-unwield bow
    unwield quarterstaff
    wield shield
    wield sword
    TRIGGERS OFF!
    behead jhui
    You aren't wielding that.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-
    You aren't wielding that.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-
    You are already wielding a Shield of Absorption in your left hand.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-
    You are already wielding a steel shortsword in your right hand.
    4030h, 6377m, 18125e, 23261w cexkdb-
    You raise your a steel shortsword over your head and begin to swing it in a wide
    circle, gaining speed as you go.
    4030h, 6377m, 17975e, 23261w cekdb-
    You suddenly perceive the vague outline of an aura of rebounding around Jhui.
    4030h, 6377m, 17975e, 23285w cekdb-
    Jhui takes a long drag off his pipe.
    4030h, 6377m, 17975e, 23285w cekdb-
    Jhui takes a drink from a chestnut vial.
    4030h, 6377m, 17975e, 23285w cekdb-
    Jhui eats some irid moss.
    4259h, 6377m, 17975e, 23285w cekdb-
    A vacant look crosses Jhui's face.
    4259h, 6377m, 17975e, 23285w cekdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23285w cekdb-
    Jhui has writhed free of his entanglement by ropes.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23285w cekdb-
    Jhui Mercadia-Ta'sa says, "Noob."  (NO U)
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23285w cekdb-
    A thorny vine whips out to strike at Jhui.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23285w cekdb-
    Jhui's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23285w cekdb-
    You have recovered balance on all limbs.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23285w cexkdb-
    Jhui bursts into flame as a fiery efreeti spins into him.
    Jhui yelps in pain as a water weird bashes him.
    The angry swarm of bees descends upon Jhui and stings him in multiple places.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23285w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23285w cexkdb-
    Jhui takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his skin.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23275w cexkdb-
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23299w cexkdb-
    Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23299w cexkdb-
    A vacant look crosses Jhui's face.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23299w cexkdb-
    You begin to bear down on Jhui, preparing to destroy him.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23299w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23299w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4259h, 6377m, 17985e, 23299w cexkdb-
    Jhui takes a drink from a chestnut vial.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23299w cexkdb-
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23299w cexkdb-
    You suddenly perceive the vague outline of an aura of rebounding around Jhui.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23299w cexkdb-
    Jhui's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23299w cexkdb-
    Jhui takes a long drag off his pipe.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23299w cexkdb-
    Jhui eats some irid moss.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23289w cexkdb-
    A thorny vine whips out to strike at Jhui.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23313w cexkdb-
    Jhui bursts into flame as a fiery efreeti spins into him.
    A water weird wounds Jhui with a glancing cut.
    The angry swarm of bees descends upon Jhui and stings him in multiple places.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23313w cexkdb-
    You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23301w cexkdb-
    Jhui blinks.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23301w cexkdb-
    Jhui takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his skin.
    4259h, 6377m, 17995e, 23301w cexkdb-
    Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
    4259h, 6377m, 18005e, 23301w cexkdb-
    A vacant look crosses Jhui's face.
    4259h, 6377m, 18005e, 23301w cexkdb-
    A surge of elation rushes through you as you realize that Jhui's fate is sealed.
    With a roar of triumph, you whip your a steel shortsword at Jhui's neck, slicing
    his head from his shoulders in a veritable fountain of dark red blood.
    You have slain Jhui.
    Jhui moves his huge bulk to the ether with surprising grace.
    You look around triumphantly and realize you are the last one standing. You have
    WON the combat free-for-all.
  • XithXith
    Jovolo said:
    Soulspear should have the same effect but be in-room and not LoS obviously.
    Or allow other soul objects to be crafted for melee purposes-- OH MY GOD! :O

    To the Knight thread, Robin!
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
  • XithXith


    I'm not proud of what I did, @Proficy. But I still giggled hysterically as I did it.
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
  • TriakTriak
    @Jhui is buying one of those now.
  • TeshaTesha
    Yeeeeeeah that's getting fixed.

     i'm a rebel

  • JhuiJhui
    heh, it's always worked like that.  Never been able to justify it for 5-8 refs once every 24 hrs? for every time i feel i'm going to die while prone (this happens a lot in 24hrs).

    it does make the occasional 1v1 fight incredibly dumb if you have to factor that in (or factor 10 of them in?  can you buy more than 1?)

    Fix please, so i don't buy this
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