Talismans

Sarapis

In Meropis I'm doing:

* Sinister Glubbers in Grukai

* Knights, Serpent, Duke, Ducal guards in Sirocco

* Lightning Eagle

* Septacean

Any other suggestions welcome!

Icaru

I have a few questions regarding the system. Are you only limited to getting pieces from one set until you complete it? I made a test run to Istarion and Annwyn, and while I got pieces, I only received black dragon claws from all denizens there.

Not sure if intended, or if just luck, or if problem!

Xith

Sarapis said:

Xith said:

Well now I disagree on the bindingness I was picturing a sort of trading cardesque system where you can trade to complete sets... And might get a drop of the same piece twice

But that's exactly what it is...the Pieces are tradeable and you can and will certainly get drops of the same piece twice, three times, fifty times. However, once you complete a Talisman, it gives you a power and that power is bound to you, removing those Pieces from the system (and helping to keep "Piece inflation" in check.)

Ah I see. Didn't read that well.

Makarios

@Icaru: good catch, fixed.

Eld

Are there separate keywords for the talisman itself and for the pieces? With three level 1 Black Dragon Claw pieces, I'm trying to get info on what's needed to complete the talisman. TALISMANS INFO blackdragonclaw doesn't work, and I can't find any other keyword to try.

Alrena

@Eld try TALISMANS INFO BLACKDRAGON instead!

Eld

Alrena said:

@Eld try TALISMANS INFO BLACKDRAGON instead!

Thought I'd tried that, but I guess not. In any case, is there a way to see what keyword you need, or is it just a guessing game?

Makarios

Presently there's no master list of talismans available to the public. You will however see them come up on TALISMANS INCOMPLETE once you have at least one piece of a sufficient level to complete that talisman.

Eld

Makarios said:

Presently there's no master list of talismans available to the public. You will however see them come up on TALISMANS INCOMPLETE once you have at least one piece of a sufficient level to complete that talisman.

Ah, ok. Some mention in the HELP that that's the requirement for it to show up on TALISMANS INCOMPLETE would be nice.

Santar

Sirocco fortress is a joke difficulty-wise.  It might as well be Manara. 

Krypton

Icaru said:

I have a few questions regarding the system. Are you only limited to getting pieces from one set until you complete it? I made a test run to Istarion and Annwyn, and while I got pieces, I only received black dragon claws from all denizens there.

Not sure if intended, or if just luck, or if problem!

It doesn't seem as if talisman pieces exist for the other Dragon colors yet. You can view TALISMAN INFO BLACKDRAGON, but TALISMAN INFO <blue/silver/etc.>DRAGON doesn't work.

Makarios

They should now.

Santar

Bashed for 45 minutes. Got nothing.

Dunn

Bashed with a group for an hour. Got all but the silver tooth for the silver set.

Xli

Santar said:

Sirocco fortress is a joke difficulty-wise.  It might as well be Manara. 

Santar said:

Bashed for 45 minutes. Got nothing.

Try Sirocco...

Asmodron

Time to get ow bling bling on.

Xith

Asmodron said:

Time to get ow bling bling on.

Was going to wtf that, but I heard it gives bad juju or something. (Juju ironically being listed as a synonym for Talisman)

Iakimen

Sarapis said:

Melodie said:

 I completely understand and agree these should drop from hard, Dragony denizens. Doesn't mitigate the fact that this is more difficult for the factions who practices morals while hunting (mostly Targo and a good chunk of Cyrene). :-/ Maybe open up a place or two in Meropis? Perhaps look into some additional bashing grounds to add? I dunno. It just seems a bit unbalanced when the dragon population is huge already, and then it gets limited down more from the very few areas available.

Which areas in Meropis are equivalent to the areas I listed? (Genuine question - I wasn't here for the building of Meropis, and don't know much about it.)

Not Meropis related, but other creatures/denizens which I would like to be considered for dragon talisman drops, if not already (I apologize if they are):

Delosian Guards

Crypt Beast

Aalen Squids

Wyrm Lord

Theran Guards

None of these would be guaranteed drops, naturally.

Shunsui

Theran guards would be nice. Those're like the only thing those crazy Ashtani aren't allowed to hunt (I think)

Dunn

I'm watching you.

@Shunsui

Hyperlith

Ideas to expand the list, if appropriate:

sea dragons and/or redfin tuna (open seas)
the Mahk (Wegava)
the Leviathan (North vashnars)
the swamp wyvern (Dun Swamp)
Ogre baron (Dun)
That tough thief guy in the eastern Daoric Plains (Meropis)
the kraken (Riparium)
Each city's guardians (you know, encourage conflict and stuff)
That tough thingy in Quartz Peak
Wyrm Lord (seconded, ouchy)
Tenwat warden
The bat guardian lady in Morindar
Derryk, Geh'shya (Bella's)

Eld

Hyperlith said:

Ideas to expand the list, if appropriate:

sea dragons and/or redfin tuna (open seas)
the Mahk (Wegava)
the Leviathan (North vashnars)
the swamp wyvern (Dun Swamp)
Ogre baron (Dun)
That tough thief guy in the eastern Daoric Plains (Meropis)
the kraken (Riparium)
Each city's guardians (you know, encourage conflict and stuff)
That tough thingy in Quartz Peak
Wyrm Lord (seconded, ouchy)
Tenwat warden
The bat guardian lady in Morindar
Derryk, Geh'shya (Bella's)

Very few of those are really dragon level, though.

Iakimen

Hyperlith said:

Ideas to expand the list, if appropriate:

sea dragons and/or redfin tuna (open seas)
the Mahk (Wegava)
the Leviathan (North vashnars)
the swamp wyvern (Dun Swamp)
Ogre baron (Dun)
That tough thief guy in the eastern Daoric Plains (Meropis)
the kraken (Riparium)
Each city's guardians (you know, encourage conflict and stuff)
That tough thingy in Quartz Peak
Wyrm Lord (seconded, ouchy)
Tenwat warden
The bat guardian lady in Morindar
Derryk, Geh'shya (Bella's)

Notably, any of the city guards would likely be an appropriate addition to the list of denizens that drop Talismans, simply judging their strength comparative to others on the list (they are certainly superior to the Vertani).

Of course, this adds an interesting dynamic to city destruction, as it offers a potential, tangible benefit to raiders for killing guards. After all, a significant portion, if not the majority, of raiders are Dragons.

Hyperlith

Eld said:

Hyperlith said:

Ideas to expand the list, if appropriate:

sea dragons and/or redfin tuna (open seas)
the Mahk (Wegava)
the Leviathan (North vashnars)
the swamp wyvern (Dun Swamp)
Ogre baron (Dun)
That tough thief guy in the eastern Daoric Plains (Meropis)
the kraken (Riparium)
Each city's guardians (you know, encourage conflict and stuff)
That tough thingy in Quartz Peak
Wyrm Lord (seconded, ouchy)
Tenwat warden
The bat guardian lady in Morindar
Derryk, Geh'shya (Bella's)

Very few of those are really dragon level, though.

If you're measuring based upon STAT STATS, pretty sure most of those are at or above level 100. Not sure what denotes 'dragon level' as it pertains to dragons (and their bashing).

Eld

Hyperlith said:

Eld said:

Hyperlith said:

Ideas to expand the list, if appropriate:

sea dragons and/or redfin tuna (open seas)
the Mahk (Wegava)
the Leviathan (North vashnars)
the swamp wyvern (Dun Swamp)
Ogre baron (Dun)
That tough thief guy in the eastern Daoric Plains (Meropis)
the kraken (Riparium)
Each city's guardians (you know, encourage conflict and stuff)
That tough thingy in Quartz Peak
Wyrm Lord (seconded, ouchy)
Tenwat warden
The bat guardian lady in Morindar
Derryk, Geh'shya (Bella's)

Very few of those are really dragon level, though.

If you're measuring based upon STAT STATS, pretty sure most of those are at or above level 100. Not sure what denotes 'dragon level' as it pertains to dragons (and their bashing).

Just judging based on my subjective estimate of the difficulty of killing them.

Eld

It would be nice if TALISMAN PIECES took an argument to narrow it down to pieces of a particular talisman. So TALISMAN PIECES BLACKDRAGON would list only pieces for the black dragon talisman. Failing that, at least having the list sorted by talisman, in addition to be set, would be helpful. It's quite cluttered as is.

Arlanda

My condolences to the person who won the auction for changing dragon colour. Ouch...

Arlanda

And Targossians aren't restricted by morals when it comes to hunting now. Only ally towns aren't hunted

Inuad

Arlanda said:

And Targossians aren't restricted by morals when it comes to hunting now. Only ally towns aren't hunted

Even still, I'm sure a lot of characters have developed certain hunting patterns based on previous morals or restrictions. It would be somewhat odd if all the sudden you started killing off previously restricted things "because you can".

Santar

Arlanda said:

And Targossians aren't restricted by morals when it comes to hunting now. Only ally towns aren't hunted

That's not true. Targossians aren't allowed to kill innocent denizens. That includes Tsol'dasi, Vertani, and maybe the Ducal guards.