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AddamaAddama Posts: 947Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
Discuss your thoughts on the Sword and Board specialisation.

First impression: Can't combination with a Scimitar, so now I need a Broadsword.  Yay, the one contingency I didn't think of!

That's all.
~Kresslack's obsession~
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  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United StatesPosts: 5,635Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Why doesn't it work with scimitar? Straight edged weapons only?


  • AntoniusAntonius Posts: 4,200Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Because it's not supposed to. Longsword and broadsword for SnB.

    Here's the breakdown of weapons for each spec (speed option then damage option):
    Dual cutting: Scimitar and battleaxe.
    Dual blunt: Morningstar and flail.
    Sword and shield: Longsword and broadsword.
    Two handed: Warhammer and bastard sword.
    KresslackAradorDjiShirszae
  • AddamaAddama Posts: 947Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    18:18:15.094 Sword: rend limb: venom: shield: smash.

    18:18:15.094 You carve into Ivis's flesh with a vicious strike, opening a bleeding wound.

    18:18:15.094 You brutally smash your shield into Ivis.

    18:18:15.094 You batter at your enemy's defences, seeking an opening.

    18:18:15.094 4737h 3667m -dbe-


    18:18:18.781 You have lost all of your gained ferocity.

    18:18:18.781 4737h 3667m -dbe-


    18:18:19.362 

    18:18:19.362 You have recovered balance on all limbs.


    Ivis says in a hoarse, rasping voice, "746."
    A few things:

    That's a max damage combo which requires over 4 seconds of balance.  No mod on the smash.  And I lose the ferocity of the attack before regaining balance.

    What's the point?
    ~Kresslack's obsession~
  • JulesJules Posts: 2,169Member @ - Epic Achaean
    Seems by far the most financially appealing choice.  I hope it's also a truly viable one.  
    Ernam
  • ErnamErnam Posts: 2,416Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited January 2015
    Jules said:
    Seems by far the most financially appealing choice.  I hope it's also a truly viable one.  

    It also allows for use of SoA, making it in all likelihood the best for bashing, since damage mitigation doesn't appear to have been a factor at all in "balancing" class bashing DPS - however, we'll have to wait and see what @Sena and her minions have to say on the subject.

    "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."


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        Jules
      1. AradorArador Posts: 1,693Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
        Makarios said rend is meant for faster limb setup and burst damage, not intended for momentum.

      2. DarklyreDarklyre Posts: 189Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
        The Rageblade works as a longsword.
        ErnamWessux
      3. ErnamErnam Posts: 2,416Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean

        prrrrrrrobably going to have to look into that, lol.

        "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."


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          1. AntoniusAntonius Posts: 4,200Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
            The Rageblade is a longsword, if I recall correctly, so that's probably why it works.
            TreyAtalkezRangor
          2. AvtoAvto Posts: 101Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
            For Sena and rest:

            Nimble:

            Comb: SLICE SMASH

            13 str: Longswrd: 557 DMG : 2.42 SPD
            15 str: Longswrd: 620 DMG : 2.34 SPD
            17 str: Longswrd: 675 DMG : 2.67 SPD

            Comb: REND SMASH

            13 str: Longswrd: 704 DMG : 3.83 SPD
            15 str: Longswrd: 784 DMG : 3.59 SPD
            17 str: Longswrd: 853 DMG : 3.58 SPD

            tests done on falcon. average ping to Achaea - 201ms
          3. JakiroJakiro Posts: 96Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
            Hi, can anyone tell me what the benefit of keeping up ferocity is? Does it make my attacks faster/stronger/more accurate/something else?
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          4. AradorArador Posts: 1,693Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
            It allows you to spend it on a shield strike which is essentially a third attack on a combo. This is needed for finishers where you will use it to trip for example, getting your shield attack up for stunning. Using the ability burns all your ferocity. 

            Apart from that, I believe it is needed for the ability that let's you hit when you have paralysis.

          5. AntoniusAntonius Posts: 4,200Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Ferocity seems to be purely for Strike:

            Strike (Weaponmastery)                        Known: Yes
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            Syntax:            SHIELDSTRIKE <target> <HIGH|MID|LOW>
            Details:
            Once you have generated sufficient ferocity, you may unleash a
            devastating blow with your shield. This attack does not consume balance
            and may be followed with a standard combination attack.

            When targeted high, the strike will stun your opponent.

            When targeted to the midsection, the strike will deliver sensitivity.

            When striking low, you will knock your opponent to the ground.
            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

            Looks like Dedication (allowing you to attack through paralysis at the cost of health) comes before Ferocity in the ability listing, so probably doesn't require that you have it.

          6. DarklyreDarklyre Posts: 189Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
            Does Ferocity work off of a system like kai and shin? If so, would it work better if your current ferocity level showed up on your prompt?
            Klendathu
          7. MakariosMakarios Posts: 1,577Administrator Achaean staff
            *k will function as a custom prompt token for ferocity/etc. Forgot about that in the changelog.
            Darklyre
          8. AradorArador Posts: 1,693Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Shield strike can also be used after your combo, not just before. Not sure if this is intended but if it is, should probably make that clearer in the AB file 

          9. MizikMizik Posts: 2,027Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Oh hello unintended parry bypass
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          10. AddamaAddama Posts: 947Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
            edited January 2015
            Somewhat unrelated to S&B specifically BUT:

            12:33:30.478 You rub some curare on a longsword.

            12:33:30.478 You slice into Aelios with a longsword.

            12:33:30.478 Horror overcomes Aelios's face as his body stiffens into paralysis.

            12:33:30.478 4737h 3415m edb1-


            12:33:31.501 Aelios eats a magnesium chip.

            12:33:31.501 4737h 3415m edb1-


            12:33:31.561 Aelios takes a drink from an oaken vial.

            12:33:31.561 4737h 3415m edb1-


            12:33:32.760 You must regain balance first.

            12:33:32.760 4737h 3415m edb1-


            12:33:32.835 

            12:33:32.835 You have recovered balance on all limbs.

            12:33:32.835 [System]: Running queued balance command: SLICE AELIOS CURARE

            12:33:32.835 You rub some curare on a longsword.

            12:33:32.835 You slice into Aelios with a longsword.

            12:33:32.835 A slight tremor rises up your runeblade to your arm. [Eihwaz]

            12:33:32.835 4737h 3415m edb1-

            NOT CURING PARALYSIS

            12:33:35.288 

            12:33:35.288 You have recovered balance on all limbs.

            WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

            E: However, it would seem Guardbreak doesn't actually increase your Ferocity more than Slice.  Is that a bug?
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          11. XerXer LangleyPosts: 804Member
            You can shieldstrike whenever so long as you have ferocity
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            e^(iπ) + 1 = 0
            AddamaArador
          12. AddamaAddama Posts: 947Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
            Xer said:
            You can shieldstrike whenever so long as you have ferocity
            You can shieldstrike whenever so long as you have 4 ferocity.  Since the max you can have is 4 and it often drops a point before I can Disembowel, I'm having trouble Shieldstriking Mid for sensitivity right before a Disembowel.

            If I could recommend one change, increase the max ferocity to 5.
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          13. KelloniusKellonius Cape Girardeau, MissouriPosts: 303Member ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
            edited January 2015
            It looks like smash high is giving afflictions in a specific order every time, and not random as I originally thought.

            Dizziness, heroism, stupidity, confusion, epilepsy in that order, and nothing happens after if they have not cured any of those.
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            Jules
          14. AddamaAddama Posts: 947Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
            It also appears to take the victim off focus balance for a bit less than 3 seconds.  Combo slice smash high beats this balance, but it does not reset or add to the focus upset, so they regain focus balance right after the second combo.
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          15. AddamaAddama Posts: 947Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
            Addama said:
            Xer said:
            You can shieldstrike whenever so long as you have ferocity
            You can shieldstrike whenever so long as you have 4 ferocity.  Since the max you can have is 4 and it often drops a point before I can Disembowel, I'm having trouble Shieldstriking Mid for sensitivity right before a Disembowel.

            If I could recommend one change, increase the max ferocity to 5.
            Just to update this, you cannot shieldstrike with an impaled opponent.

            So you can't shieldstrike mid/disembowel to stick sensitivity right before the disembowel.

            Back to the damn drawing board.
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          16. XerXer LangleyPosts: 804Member
            edited January 2015
            Are Lagua, Lagul, Laguz working as intended for SnB? It doesn't seem like it. I know that Nausea isn't working as intended (last I checked). Assuming all those things get worked out in some way or form, SnB looks to be more than powerful enough for single combat. The Shield stun nerf compared to the test server is a bit saddening to see go since it was so OP haha.
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            e^(iπ) + 1 = 0
            Aelios
          17. NemutaurNemutaur GermanyPosts: 1,068Member
            +dsb one is working. On Jhui it was ~9.9% increase on dsb damage. (6397 vs 5816)
            Aelios
          18. AntoniusAntonius Posts: 4,200Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Limb damage rune seemed to be working, too.
          19. CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNPosts: 1,126Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
            Does snb have the ability to hit with two venoms at once? and if so what's the speed on it (fastest speed out of the two weapons assuming longsword)

          20. AddamaAddama Posts: 947Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
            Caladbolg said:
            Does snb have the ability to hit with two venoms at once? and if so what's the speed on it (fastest speed out of the two weapons assuming longsword)
            Yes and no.  Yes because the afflictions given by SMASH and DRIVE imitate venoms and you can still envenom a sword, so you can do common things like Curare/Prefarar, Curare/Aconite, etc.  The balance isn't terrible (I think it's about 2.5 with a Longsword?).  But no because it's a rather limited list of afflictions (can't do double delph or double epteth, for example).
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          21. CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNPosts: 1,126Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
            Addama said:
            Caladbolg said:
            Does snb have the ability to hit with two venoms at once? and if so what's the speed on it (fastest speed out of the two weapons assuming longsword)
            Yes and no.  Yes because the afflictions given by SMASH and DRIVE imitate venoms and you can still envenom a sword, so you can do common things like Curare/Prefarar, Curare/Aconite, etc.  The balance isn't terrible (I think it's about 2.5 with a Longsword?).  But no because it's a rather limited list of afflictions (can't do double delph or double epteth, for example).
            Well basically I was trying to do the math of how hard it would be to get a venom stack up to use damnation in the normal sense. 2.5 is horrible though for using afflictions honestly.

            Hard enough to keep up with passive curing and active curing but only being .5 seconds slower of two herb eats.. if you get hindered your losing much more than .5 seconds.. add in tree and passive curing.. are affliction stacks even possible as snb?

          22. AddamaAddama Posts: 947Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
            edited January 2015
            Caladbolg said:
            Addama said:
            Caladbolg said:
            Does snb have the ability to hit with two venoms at once? and if so what's the speed on it (fastest speed out of the two weapons assuming longsword)
            Yes and no.  Yes because the afflictions given by SMASH and DRIVE imitate venoms and you can still envenom a sword, so you can do common things like Curare/Prefarar, Curare/Aconite, etc.  The balance isn't terrible (I think it's about 2.5 with a Longsword?).  But no because it's a rather limited list of afflictions (can't do double delph or double epteth, for example).
            Well basically I was trying to do the math of how hard it would be to get a venom stack up to use damnation in the normal sense. 2.5 is horrible though for using afflictions honestly.

            Hard enough to keep up with passive curing and active curing but only being .5 seconds slower of two herb eats.. if you get hindered your losing much more than .5 seconds.. add in tree and passive curing.. are affliction stacks even possible as snb?
            You have access to blackout, stun, and SMASH HIGH (puts them off focus balance) so yes.
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