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Best Brawler Bonanza? BEGIN
Who are the top ten fighters of all time and why aren't they Mizik? Make your case below and please be aware that you will be judged for your answers
1. Carmain
2. Ellodin
3. Tirac
4. Mirko
5. Rennyn
6. Jhui
7. Farrah
8. Atalkez
9. Tynil
10. Dumah
1. Carmain
2. Ellodin
3. Tirac
4. Mirko
5. Rennyn
6. Jhui
7. Farrah
8. Atalkez
9. Tynil
10. Dumah
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2. Zsarachnor
3. Oberion
4. Jeramun
5. Nicola
6. Rhinova
7. Ironbeard
8. Rurin
9. Eko, an Aegean Squire
10. Gnoll Sentinels
^^ these guys make your pk count look weak. Change my mind.
Aegis, God of War says, "You are dismissed from My demense, Astarod. Go forth and fight well. Bleed fiercely, and climb the purpose you have sought to chase for."
We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
If I'm talking raiding then he's unarguably #1 followed by Jhui and then RUKIMOROOOO
Fairly certain Tanris would swamp them in a duel as well. Just because he was predominantly a raider, doesn't mean he never fought solo. Even still, if it's just for dueling, why is Jhui 6th? He was an extremely good 1-on-1 fighter. Where's Penwize?
I refer you to my prior comment of 'Bad list'.
We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
But watching Tanris reach #1 PK in every MUD we've played off a god damned reader really gives the impression that the only limitations that man has are pure class mechanic matchup advantage/disadvantage. Brainstorming the next game breaking mechanic or combination with him and Sabiru and eventually Dunn for hours and hours every night really changed the way we all played the game.
Never got to play alongside him in Achaea, but in both Imperian and Aetolia he's a damn machine. His defence is just as good as his offence, and it's kinda scary. Take off his artifacts and nothing really changes, other than he might take 1 or 2 more balances to kill you.
This list will never be 100% perfect. At the top of my game I had a full auto offense that was almost unbeatable and able to find exploits on its own but I deleted everything when I realised how bad achaea was for my mind and lifestyle. I started working on a new one lately between jobs but stopped again. Achaean combat is too easy to automate and tedious in my experience.
The model of IRE combat is generally slanted too. Some classes are broken, some are useless, most require an inordinate amount of time doing data collection, some just work out of the box with a lot of money.
The best thing about achaean combat is that it got me a wife, a kid, somehow made me a programmer earning a 7 figure salary by showing omnipave to a bunch of interviewers and omnipave was pretty shit, and it really made me realise how to value my free time and sleep schedule. Make of that what you will.
P.S. mizik still sucks. Can't even pick the winning twilight faction.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
And again this is based on my years of playing. I didn't get to see Penwize become this dominant duellist that you're referring to. That's why he doesn't make my list. You're welcome to make your own, that's what the thread is about.
Tranq was a few years before my time and doesn't make the list for the same reason.
Ellodin takes second. Those other fighters are good, but Ellodin had this way of winning when it didn't make any sense. "Aconite/curare until they were locked" levels of bizarre. Where did slickness/anorexia/asthma come from? How did a Runewarden give me impatience? I was a lot younger and far worse at pk, so I recognize a grain of salt is needed, but Ellodin fights were always like watching a magic show, back when.
1. Jhui
2. Tanris
3. Ellodin
4. Farrah
5. Myself
6. Mizik
7. Dunn
8. Penwize
9. Santar
10. Seragorn
I agree though, these types of things are difficult. I’m much better today than I was when Jhui played, so the things I thought were insane are more commonplace. Tanris griefed me under the table when I was a noob, would love to have been able to fight him along the way.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
- Farrah - strongest focus on offensive momentum and later down the line, defense
- Iakimen - most solid track record and doesn't rely on automation like most on the list, volatile performance depending on class
- Armali - clever and very underrated, the best "if he/she had arties" case
- Atalkez - never used automation like most on the list and for that he gets bumped up
- Tynil - stable/strong performance as runewarden (I primarily use his auto system)
- Jhui - aggressive with a win at all costs mindset, lots of artefacts but loses a lot of points for being an automation pioneer
- Seragorn - lots of artefacts and strong offense but only entered the pvp scene after developing personal auto-system
- Penwize - clever, lots of artefacts and automated
- Rom - creative and doesn't rely on automation, I stole some of his bard strats
- Cooper/Rangor - old school players with a long history
I haven't played for 2 to 3 years-ish but I've fought everyone on this list 1v1 multiple times over the years and these were the impressions they left on me.[ SnB PvP Guide | Link ]
I'll throw you guys a 1999-2005ish best list just for fun:
1. Nimos - serpent who could lock you before you even realized he was attacking
2. Mausolous (spelled wrong probably)) - Occy that couldn't die
3. Mordyval - occie that could kill you while he was afk
4. Gijan - here comes the BOOM!
5. Element - monk that could actually intentionally break your leg WITHOUT spamming JPK
6. Khejian - absolute beast of an Infernal that would frequently fight multiple people at the same time and come out ahead
7. Valor (this might be a wrong name, it was Jumpy's Achaean character) - could tank city defenses while bending you over with no lube
8. Napoloen - tanky Occy that knew the maps like the back of his hand and was unable to run away from
9. Dalamar - kill anyone as any class
10. Galdrion - this dude just straight mauled people to death
Tynil definitely did most of his fighting in arena, but man was he good. Tirac/Carmain level and similar fighting style. Very careful and deliberate, and will come up with 52 ways to kill you while making your life miserable offensively. I absolutely loved fighting him because I was always going to learn a new way to die.
I kinda hate how often these threads come up, but love the nostalgia. And this one didn't turn into a circle jerk 1 post in so that's kind of cool.
Tynil was a brilliant fighter and flew under the radar more than he might have if he had participated in a more combat-active city. Labelling him as someone who only fought Cyrenian midbies is highly unfair because he would still beat the best of the best at the time. Were they arena duels? Yes. That doesn't mean that both parties weren't going all out.
Would you not list Manu, Rameus or Rennyn in the pre-2005 list @Cooper?
I don't like these lists for just that reason... everyone has a different perspective and it tends to lead to arguments. But Cooper's list "back in the day" is pretty spot on.
Farrah.
These are the two that immediately come to mind to me. I'd need to think long and hard to add anyone else to the list.
Ryukishi
Rennyn
Deridius
Ranzou
Rangor
Tranquility
No argument against the rest here, these were just my own personal pains in the ass.