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Secondly, no one disagrees that Vodun isn't integral, people just disagree that it -should- be integral. As Farrah said in a later post, you have to actively decide to go the Vodun route, and what a tired and boring route it is. It doesn't streamline with the aff route as other classes do. Yes, you use curses to fashion, but if you're affing and going for soulrends when you're out of other invokes then you're just doing a shitty job of both afflicting and fashioning, and would be better served by just going aff/swift or soulrend/vodun.
The problem with Vodun is that, in the past, you had a slow and boring walk to Burger King. No one liked the walk, but it was the only way to get there. Now you have a shiny new car, it goes really fast, does donuts and makes loud noises on its way to Burger King. The issue?
No one likes Burger King.
I don't think Shaman is outright 'easier'. Jester is just so...weird, it's not like most classes, and most people end up finding it really boring in comparison to other classes. It can be very, very powerful but it's just so meh in the process. I personally wouldn't recommend it, but that's my own opinion. For all I know you love that style of play, but I think there are better/more fun classes available that you'd likely enjoy more. Like, literally any other class. Ever.
If you want to run around Achaea on a balloon giraffe while you bop things with a blackjack and throw banana peels around, I will absolutely think less of you as both a character and a person.
It suffices as a class but I just think any normal person would have more fun as any other given class, it can be terribly boring.
i added Runie about 8 months ago when I came back from a 2-3 year break and haven't switched back at all in that time.
I loved the Jester class, but (necessary) combat balance changes made it harder for me to play. There is a personal limitation here admittedly, but the micro managing of all aspects from axe juggles to fashions, to defence etc was just a little too much for me to keep up with.
In plain terms, for someone with very little coding knowledge and struggles at times with the nuances of Achaean combat, I got frustrated at the inability to be effective. 2H is far easier to learn and use, although not as exciting when you do finally get the kill, but at least I'm getting them.
I have limited play time, so the balance comes between being fun and feeling frustrated,
I took the class because of how much utility Jesters offer, and how godly they are in raids/group fights. The ability to cure someone who is locked, heal 25% their health, get your group out with universe or puppet, high mobility, etc.
I eventually realized that as Jester I was under utilizing my artefacts (I have level 3 offense arties) so I dropped it.
Cooper is essentially saying he picked up jester because he was able to play it with all its skills without investing a ton of lessons.
Mostly for me why Jester will never be worth it is because
1) it's hard as fuck to code for and utilize juggling correctly.
2) you are probably highest priority target in raids now because your bombs will never fizzle and tarotry is a pain to deal with.
3) The admin still haven't add assist exp in this game so you'll never gain experience and nearly 110% of the time go negative in net experience. The only boon to counter this is if your fellow dragons let you puppet leech while they hunt in return for you being a glass shield that managed to toss one bomb before being mass breath streamed.
4) I've watched countless (Mhaldorian) newbies love the flavor of Jester but they invested too much into the class. They were too squishy to tank anything, they always died and lost levels constantly, they felt there was too much to keep up with when props + puppetry + juggling came into play 1v1 or just watching themselves be targetted first at level 60 and pop from a dragon roar.
So yeah. Honestly just wait for this outdated garbage class to be reworked or for assist exp to be eventually™ added to combat. It's the #1 newbie killer in the game and should only be given to 99+ people who can multiclass or don't care about dying.
My vehemence for this class knows no bounds from the amount of time I've tried to put in helping newbie jesters only for them to complaining everything I've said and watch them quit their character and play somewhere else because it's overall cheaper to reroll a new character than to reclass.
Pros of the class: Best utility in the game and somersault. You can maybe pause and JitB and snag a kill because I'm pretty sure nothing stops it. You ride a balloon giraffe and can lower every person's rebounding and shield with a bad joke.
People that have been playing vodun/puppetry class for a long time actually like vodun and puppetry--they're incredibly strong and offer a lot of flexibility.
If you don't enjoy building up a doll, fine--but there's like 16? other classes that don't require that, and several pure momentum classes out there to pick from. The fact that shaman isn't pure momentum is actually one of its biggest strengths.
This is a pretty unhelpful thing to say to a lot of people, though, since apostate is faction-limited and shaman isn't. (I want Apostate