Synaptic lock

Kiet

Does anyone else find this artefact a little messed up? Like someone was saying on clans earlier, it makes monks the #1 spies in the game, and there's nothing people can do about it except never be on mainland or in the same area as a monk.

If we're going to have this, at least make sapience break the effect.

The other arties are cool, though!

Rom

Good idea about making it not work with sapience somehow. With sapience as-is I find it absurd. It's the best spying tool in the entire game made undetectable, worst of all is that it is also an OOC spying tool unlike most other methods in the game. It's no risk with this artefact, people can do it for fun whenever they want with almost flawless safety against enemies and allies alike. With shitty mind lock RNG you could get caught before if you weren't constantly breaking the lock and re-engaging it, which was at least mildly reassuring. I don't even know if Bell tattoo detects it, it may.

Farrah

Doesn't current Bell only detect appraise? I wouldn't mind if Bell was made to detect mind lock too though.

Making the artie not function with Sapience would eliminate the whole point of the artie. Why else would you care about them seeing your lock breaks?

Rom

Farrah said:

Doesn't current Bell only detect appraise? I wouldn't mind if Bell was made to detect mind lock too though.

Making the artie not function with Sapience would eliminate the whole point of the artie. Why else would you care about them seeing your lock breaks?

I have no clue as to what Bell's function is, but Armali mentioned that it can detect mind locks in a different IRE but wasn't sure if it was the case here, so I mentioned it.

How about using the artie to spy with MIND LISTEN which actually spies on IC communication exclusively, maybe buff mind listen to hear the victim's SAYS if they don't already since you do hear your own voice after all. Also the passive benefit of the draining MIND CLOAK is situationally very useful. You can also feel free to do whatever other annoying telepathy actions you want with less risk. Watch people in Annwyn's health and position before you gank them while their health is already critical for instance, or repurpose the artie entirely to something else if decided.

As far as I know Mind Sapience records tells, party, typos, clans, ordertells, emotes, everything. It is total 100% information of someone's input (except parry half the time ) and has no place being BUFFED.

Ahmet

Bell used to be an on-use that notified you if you were being spied on when you touched it, but was changed to be a passive defence that now warns you whenever you're appraised.

Jonathin

None of the arties are Mosr-wins buttons, so they all look like crap to me

Skye

Your only recourse now is to hide important conversations in the middle of lurid mudsex emotes. If they want that info, they're gonna have to suffer for it. 

Kyrra

Doesn't Anake's Hood protect against some of that??

Ada

Let's just delete mind sapience

Rom

Kyrra said:

Doesn't Anake's Hood protect against some of that??

Anake's Hood: 400 credits

   - While you are wearing this stylish hood, you will be protected from

     many attempts to eavesdrop on you via a special ability: grove watch,

     mind listening, subterfuge and vodun/puppetry listen, angel/demon

     mindread.

It protects against Mind Listen which I mentioned earlier, but not against Mind Sapience which is the catalyst of this thread.

Sidonia

Sapience is bullshit anyway so anything that gets it more exposure so it gets nerfed or removed is fine with me

Keorin

Sapience has a few legitimate, and I'd argue not unbalanced, uses in combat, now that the 100% parry bypass part has been nerfed.

Completely safe sapience spying is completely dumb, though. I'd argue that the totally safe use of listen/glance/scan/ect would already be pretty good for spying, and combined with mind sapience in its current form can make monk very, very good at espionage.

Torrent

Monks can still sense each other with telesense and hypersense when someone is being locked. Simply am keeping it up telesense now since there is no drain anymore with the lock, and a very minimal willpower drain. There is also telesense in vision that everyone has forgotten about.

Shirszae

Torrent said:

Monks can still sense each other with telesense and hypersense when someone is being locked. Simply am keeping it up telesense now since there is no drain anymore with the lock, and a very minimal willpower drain. There is also telesense in vision that everyone has forgotten about.

Uh, mindcloak completely hides locks from telesense. And the artefact works like an always-up mindcloak.

Kiet

A synaptic lock (silent_telepathy): 500 credits
   For the Monks amongst us, possession of this item ensures that your target will not see your mindlock break, and
serves as a drainless MIND CLOAK in regards to Telesense.

Pretty sure we didn't forget, the wording literally implies that doesn't work.

Torrent

Shirszae said:

Torrent said:

Monks can still sense each other with telesense and hypersense when someone is being locked. Simply am keeping it up telesense now since there is no drain anymore with the lock, and a very minimal willpower drain. There is also telesense in vision that everyone has forgotten about.

Uh, mindcloak completely hides locks from telesense. And the artefact works like an always-up mindcloak.

Oh I know I was saying about altering the ability of it rather then just nerfing sapience, or possible raise the credit value for it to the 1000's so only really rich people can get the lock like veils.

Kiet

'Raise the price' is not a valid answer to basically anything.

Torrent

Kiet said:

'Raise the price' is not a valid answer to basically anything.

Of course it is! Captialism at its finest   

Sayenna

Just make it so you're told when you're sapienced if you're not affected by aggression timer.

Frederich

inb4 someone makes a script to send randomized letters/excerpts from dracula/bad porn novels every 0.3 seconds just incase someone sapiences them.

Tahquil

Sartanic Obscenities on repeat.

Aralaya

@Daeir but what kind of cypher are you using, can it safely protect against any snoops?

Aralaya

Personally I would use a Vigenère cypher but I suppose that works

Nazihk

Aralaya said:

Personally I would use a Vigenère cypher but I suppose that works

Neither of those approaches is cryptographically secure, and neither would hide serious spying for long. There are online solvers for both Vigenere and Caesar ciphers that do a very good job of breaking those ciphers, especially with a long ciphertext,and that's even with jargon-heavy text filled with Achaea names. Breaking them is as trivial as typing "vigenere cipher solver" into google. 

The only thing they're good for is slowing down the enemy's understanding of overheard orders in combat and such, where you can't spare the time to decrypt on the fly and for that one is as good as the other, with the caveat that Caesar is easier to implement.

If you want real cryptographic security to protect a discussion you're going to have to use an actual encryption protocol. It shouldn't be too hard to implement RSA in Mudlet, but that's a bit overkill as well as being absolutely grotesquely unfriendly to everybody else who uses the channel and doesn't want to encrypt their fucking PT/CLT/ETC.

If you want to go to THAT much trouble you should probably just make your own discord server or board a ship or something.

Shirszae

Lol. I can just see it!
-"We are being raided!"
-"Quick, get on the Discord server"
...
Please nerf T_T

Sobriquet

People already do that.. 

Rangor

discord for raids is fun. Would be more fun if my brain was able to type, listen and speak at the same time though.

Leviticus

Sapience < Mind Barrier

Ryzeth

Leviticus said:

Sapience < Mind Barrier

Don't give them more ideas on artifacts to add. Calm the fuck down, Satan.

Synbios

Daeir said:

Easiest solution to this is to ramp the wp cost up on Sapience to spiritwalk levels. Unless people feel like devouring senastone, they won't be doing it for long stretches.

You could even make this part of an artefact package!

WILL You Marry Me?

For the soon-to-be Monk spouse, we have the perfect wedding gift for you.

- Need a fashion statement as you walk up to the altar? Do that with a Circlet/Amulet of the Will!
- A happy couple needs a happy home. When you purchase this package, you are eligible to upgrade one room of your subdivision or out-of-subdivision home with willpower regeneration!
- Are you sure that the only thing on your spouse's mind is you? Don't worry, we've got you covered with a Synaptic Lock.

Austere

Synbios said:

Daeir said:

Easiest solution to this is to ramp the wp cost up on Sapience to spiritwalk levels. Unless people feel like devouring senastone, they won't be doing it for long stretches.

You could even make this part of an artefact package!

WILL You Marry Me?

For the soon-to-be Monk spouse, we have the perfect wedding gift for you.

- Need a fashion statement as you walk up to the altar? Do that with a Circlet/Amulet of the Will!
- A happy couple needs a happy home. When you purchase this package, you are eligible to upgrade one room of your subdivision or out-of-subdivision home with willpower regeneration!
- Are you sure that the only thing on your spouse's mind is you? Don't worry, we've got you covered with a Synaptic Lock.

I feel I should have negotiated my engagement better..