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Gods currently active
Which gods are currently active as of May 23rd 2017?
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Aegis, Deucalion, Sartan, Lorielan (though she's a producer now) are the only active Divine.
Half the city wants absolutely nothing at all to do with him because he's a Bad Guy who interferes with their ability to ally with other factions. They'd be perfectly happy if he fucked off and died so that they could abandon all the Darkness crap so that they can be Cyrene MkII. Of the remaining citizens, half of those don't want to join the Order because what fun it is being in a secret Order of secrets, especially when it's filled with such an insular and isolationist membership and nobody can know you're a member and, as mentioned before, half the city hates the fact that your God is even associated with the city. And of the remaining quarter of the citizens, a lot of them are going to look at all that alchemy/kabbalah crap in the Order and bounce hard.
It's basically the perfect recipe for an unapproachable God role.
Twilight should be a fantastic role with lots of potential but its well has been poisoned by the playerbase associated with him.
That basically makes them worthless to Twilight and a gigantic pain to deal with.
Ashtan is controlled by their weird version of a patron, Lorielan and Phaestus are unaligned and when Lori was aligned was part of a ruling triad in Shallam. Your examples don't work.
Given Cyrene's popularity and recent leadership decisions in a couple of cities, I think there's evidence that a good portion of the player base is less interested in being part of direct factional conflict. Having that kind of conflict is essential to the game, but it's not something everybody has fun with and I don't think Cyrene can entirely fill that niche. I like the producers' decision to push for more conflict, but it can be pushed too far.
Isolationism and centrism, which I think are even bigger a part of Cyrene's identity than its pacifism, are pretty evident in Hashan. When's the last time Hashan meaningfully projected its stances/ideas/politics/military/wealth into world affairs?
If you're going to be a faction that wants nothing to with other factions, it's going to be incredibly unappealing for a person who has to deal with you if you -also- happen to be a perpetually divided faction with a lot of in-fighting. What is there for that human being to work with, that you would consider a selling point? I can 100% see why someone'd prefer to take a faction they can do something with, try and move onto the world stage with, push in a new direction, expand in some creative way, over one that basically just wants an active admin to do some coding for them to put in new items/denizens/Order members/etc.
Let the Tsol'teth and Tlalaiad, the Genesis sink the city into the wellspring of power underneath and remake it as an underground city that acts as a giant gateway to the Underrealm.
If you don't want Twilight, then why would you join the city he's been influencing for centuries and that practically exists for him?
Yes, obviously. Any city who accepts the patronage of the God of the Oceans should expect to be involved in a lot of Ocean Things, and if you take on the God of Baking for a patron you should prepare to break out the fucking aprons. This should be common sense; if you are not willing to do that then don't take them as your Patron.
There is an understood quid pro quo agreement between a city and its Patron. The Patron serves the city, both in the administrative and roleplaying senses. In return the city serves the Patron. This is not rocket surgery.
Here are the problems as analysed by an ex-Regent, ex-Darkwalker, ex-Somatikan citizen:
Hashan is composed of pro-Twilight, pro-Ourania, anti-Twilight, anti-Ourania, pro-CrownOfTheIthmia, pro-CourtOfShadows, pro-neutrality, pro-Night, and anti-Night groups, in various combinations. For the most part, this works out okay-ish in the sense that Hashan is essentially Dark Cyrene with none of the combat restrictions (thankfully). We cater to a whole host of players, a lot of whom are non-combatants (which is awesome, since non-combatants are traditionally great sources of RP things like books and events).
However, as a faction, it does not quite cut it. A main problem is that a Thing is not a Thing unless a Divine says that it is, in fact, a Thing. So whenever an attempt to steer the city in a particular direction (like, more Nightly, less Dark Neutrality), someone will decry that this is Not A Thing, and reverse any momentum made to transform Hashan into an actual faction. (Incidentally, this is not a problem unique to Hashan).
This is why I advocated for a bigger role for Twilight and Darkwalkers in the Hashan government. The city needs pushing, and it will only accept pushing from the godmin. Doubly complicating this issue is that some people will only accept pushing from a particular godmin. At that time, however, we only had Twilight. The city refused the push, and that may have been the proverbial last nail in the coffin for this Twilight. So long, you were amazing, vastly underappreciated, and gone too soon. I will miss you peeking at me while I murder tsol'dasi.
On the other hand, the Orders themselves have problems. For Twilight, the whole secrecy shindig worked back when factions were less of a thing. Now, though, it's just a valid reason for the regular Joe Hashani to distrust the Order. This is exacerbated by the fact that Hashan is supposed to be all about Knowledge and Understanding, so gating things behind secrecy for the sake of secrecy won't fly. The Order needs to be less exclusive and more inclusive of the city and the faction it hopes to lead.
For Ourania, it needs to stop taking every opportunity to disparage Twilight and the Dark Walkers as the bad guys. Work with them, not against. Be the Cool Mom, the mediating party when Dad and the kids are having a spat about who gets to push the button that blows up the Northern Ithmia.
And the general Hashani playerbase needs to stop treating patrons are mere idea-factories. Embrace their ideals, because like it or not, they are the the ideals of the faction as a whole.
(Actually, it can be argued that the reverse is true: it's Hashan's ideals that mesh well with Twilight and Ourania, but as mentioned, people like it when things come from High Above).
There are many more issues with Hashan (wtf is the Wellspring, srsly), but these are the ones I personally found problematic.
PS It may be important to reiterate that I have basically withdrawn from any sort of leadership position because I recognise that I am not equipped to deal with the aforementioned issues. Godspeed to the hero who does!
I remember back in the day when Twilighters were the sneakiest mofos around. Man, they were good. Every city wanted to know which Twilighters had infiltrated what branches of the government/citizenry and what opinions they were spewing. So much potential for a Twilight role.
Caspian was very much in favor of "make everyone wet".