Achaean Raves

Caoimhaen

@Tharvis‌ I didnt get everyone killed. The only one at risk was me. :P

Orzaansyn

@Jurixe Thanks to you, rather! I loved that. And I assure you I think it is me who need to improve my RP. :)

Alynna

Jurixe said:

Hashan has always been the city with the greatest potential to become a real force in terms of contributing to the greater storyline, but unfortunately that potential is overshadowed by drama, borderline-oocness and a general overarching lack of taking itself seriously. There are people in Hashan who would rather it be a darker Cyrene and will resist all attempts to push it further onto the axis of conflict, which is a true shame.

Even I considered joining Hashan before I went to Mhaldor, and I remain intrigued by its theme and history, in which it is incredibly rich. I wish the Hashani players and admin all the best in trying to fix its myriad issues - there is already the beginnings of something that could be really great there, it just requires a unifying force. My advice: Be tough where you need to be. You'll be much happier for it in the long run, though you might suffer in the short term.

Pretty much this, it's why I had my character be Hashani to begin with. It was really weird, because in the time I was playing, the character playing Twilight pretty much said, 'screw this city,' and up and left, taking out the obelisk, and had most of his followers run off.

This left Hashan with a huge identity crisis, as Ourania wasn't active at the time, and Valnurana was either not active, or very quiet and behind the scenes. So a few citizens were very much 'anti-Triad' for being betrayed that way, and that's lingered for years. Seems that legacy is still remaining, ten RL years after that happened.

Kinilan

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERF!

(pirate smiley goes here)

Dunn

That's a substantial nerf too. First wave of classleads I've ever seen anything big go in for ships.

Someone must love you, guy.

Kinilan

Dunn said:

That's a substantial nerf too. First wave of classleads I've ever seen anything big go in for ships.

Someone must love you, guy.

Or Tecton is just sick of our shit and wants us to shut up finally.

Deladan

Alynna said:

Jurixe said:

Hashan has always been the city with the greatest potential to become a real force in terms of contributing to the greater storyline, but unfortunately that potential is overshadowed by drama, borderline-oocness and a general overarching lack of taking itself seriously. There are people in Hashan who would rather it be a darker Cyrene and will resist all attempts to push it further onto the axis of conflict, which is a true shame.

Even I considered joining Hashan before I went to Mhaldor, and I remain intrigued by its theme and history, in which it is incredibly rich. I wish the Hashani players and admin all the best in trying to fix its myriad issues - there is already the beginnings of something that could be really great there, it just requires a unifying force. My advice: Be tough where you need to be. You'll be much happier for it in the long run, though you might suffer in the short term.

Pretty much this, it's why I had my character be Hashani to begin with. It was really weird, because in the time I was playing, the character playing Twilight pretty much said, 'screw this city,' and up and left, taking out the obelisk, and had most of his followers run off.

This left Hashan with a huge identity crisis, as Ourania wasn't active at the time, and Valnurana was either not active, or very quiet and behind the scenes. So a few citizens were very much 'anti-Triad' for being betrayed that way, and that's lingered for years. Seems that legacy is still remaining, ten RL years after that happened.

That's pretty much the Hashan I was in, and how Hashan has been on and off for the longest time. (At least the times I was Hashani.) At times though... it's better not to even bring up history at all with Hashan. Facts are like math they hurt. 

Edit for clarity: Deladan started out as Hashani. Was in the Kharon guild.

Alynna

Deladan said:

Alynna said:

Jurixe said:

Hashan has always been the city with the greatest potential to become a real force in terms of contributing to the greater storyline, but unfortunately that potential is overshadowed by drama, borderline-oocness and a general overarching lack of taking itself seriously. There are people in Hashan who would rather it be a darker Cyrene and will resist all attempts to push it further onto the axis of conflict, which is a true shame.

Even I considered joining Hashan before I went to Mhaldor, and I remain intrigued by its theme and history, in which it is incredibly rich. I wish the Hashani players and admin all the best in trying to fix its myriad issues - there is already the beginnings of something that could be really great there, it just requires a unifying force. My advice: Be tough where you need to be. You'll be much happier for it in the long run, though you might suffer in the short term.

Pretty much this, it's why I had my character be Hashani to begin with. It was really weird, because in the time I was playing, the character playing Twilight pretty much said, 'screw this city,' and up and left, taking out the obelisk, and had most of his followers run off.

This left Hashan with a huge identity crisis, as Ourania wasn't active at the time, and Valnurana was either not active, or very quiet and behind the scenes. So a few citizens were very much 'anti-Triad' for being betrayed that way, and that's lingered for years. Seems that legacy is still remaining, ten RL years after that happened.

That's pretty much the Hashan I was in, and how Hashan has been on and off for the longest time. (At least the times I was Hashani.) At times though... it's better not to even bring up history at all with Hashan. Facts are like math they hurt. 

Edit for clarity: Deladan started out as Hashani. Was in the Kharon guild.

Were we in the guild together? Or did you join after I became a serpent?

Aepas

A bit late to the announcements... but

* POUND on frozen adventurers will now instantly kill them.
* POUND is no longer blocked by the Shield of Absorption.

Finally... FINALLY! THIS TOOK 3 YEARS WHY!?

Silas

> @Jukilian said:
> Could just kick everyone out and start with a blank slate again. :trollface: But yeah, fully agree with what you're all saying. Problem is entirely in whether or not the general populace will alienate you because you're trying to bring about a minor bit of change. Too many examples of combatants leaving due to people hating them for bringing conflict into the city.

Fucking phone quotes.

ETA: omfg r u kiddign me wtffff

Anyway, this is partly true, but only because it's allowed to be. The same was true in Shallam, until people pushed against the status quo and forcefully took over the city and took it in a direction that made sense according to its history.

This worked because we had a god backing us (Penth) and saw some of the city's most notable and successful periods, in terms of aggressively following her ideals.

Cooper is absolutely right: Hashan <i>is</> the city of Darkness whether people in Hashan like it or not. You have awesome and crazily hard-working gods there who would doubtless support people who want to take control of the situation, so the onus remains on the players to make a focused, sensible and concerted effort to pull Hashan out of the funk it's in.

This is how Hashan will not just attract players like Tanris, but also breed Tanrii (and Rhos and Wulfens and Tenebrii) of their own. It'll take a long time, and the players that do step up will probably spend long nights hating themselves and everybody around them for the shit they're putting up with, but when it works you'll all have a shit ton of fun making your mark on the game world and watching the ups and downs for Hashan that you'll have orchestrated.

And who knows, if it all falls to shit and you get hamstrung by gods later down the line who make terrible decisions, maybe you'll get your very own brand new city as well, and the opportunity to dance on Hashan's thorny grave before the Ithmia reclaims what is hers.

Cooper

Silas said I was right. Best day of my life.

Vayne

Ayleth said:

Caoimhaen said:

Essentially. Irl, I think Hashan is dead. I would prefer to start over with Hashan now. Its a complete mess. I agree with @Wei‌. Thats what I would like to see. But I dont think it will happen.

Anyway. More rave. Less discussion about Hashan.
Rave for being completely exhausted irl and running around meropis and getting lost and proceeding to laugh at myself in my delerium. Was oddly fun getting lost and forgetting I am Hashani for a while. Also the raid with Targossas earlier today was oddly fun since half of us were running around going. What do we do? And some of us, like myself were just like. Hell with it. No one is leading. Bonzai! Also good thinking @Mannimar‌ and @Tyamat‌ about moving the guards. Also, rave @Ayleth‌ for saving my ass when i charged @Draqoom‌ by myself. Had no clue anyone was covering me. Was just sick of sitting around

I didn't save your ass - the fact that you ran, did. I just sat there sniping one of them (I don't remember which. I don't even remember if I was using delph, pref, or curare arrows. ) like the noncom I am. (Hopefully serpent combat won't be TOO hard to learn now with the whole 'affliction illusions are dumb, let's make them not work.' thing going on.)  you all the same, @Caoimhaen. Big rave to you for having the courage to charge them, though. I'd probably just sit there and attempt to remember my macros for my dstabs.

Similar to @Vayne's post, I'm definitely sending a shout out to @Twilight and @Ourania for being around and trying to help Hashan with everything that's going on and a bigger one to @Valnurana for taking on the mess that is currently the Serpent Lords house. We all have an identity crisis (even though the concept is sitting right underneath our noses in the history and lore and no one is choosing to utilise it.  ).

Also, random raves to @Vayne, @Datrius, @Fendrel, @Mannimar, @Eiredhel for being an amazing text family.

I really hope the SL get their act together, they have so much lore to use at their fingertips and @Ourania gave us some really cool storylines to work off of, but when I put my foot down and tried to actually get the House to be a Serpent House, I got mutinied.

Aegoth

Super rave to @Sartan and @Gaia for the betrayal event. I enjoyed it greatly! To Eleusis, you guys are great and i had fun while in the village. To @Rangor, @Alrena, and the others, you guys are awesome and great leaders. Keep up the good work! (sorry for the impromptu death @Ravien!)

Raves to Mhaldor! It's good to be back :)

Ephram

Beneath the arching boughs of a forest, a girl approaches, her golden hair dressed with a crown of fresh spring blossoms. As she gazes about the greenwood with a summery smile, she is surrounded by a flurry of autumn leaves and begins to fade, with snowflakes falling from the sky in her wake.

 @Melantha‌

Dream tributes to the deceased Divine are win.

Deladan

Alynna said:

Deladan said:

Alynna said:

Jurixe said:

Hashan has always been the city with the greatest potential to become a real force in terms of contributing to the greater storyline, but unfortunately that potential is overshadowed by drama, borderline-oocness and a general overarching lack of taking itself seriously. There are people in Hashan who would rather it be a darker Cyrene and will resist all attempts to push it further onto the axis of conflict, which is a true shame.

Even I considered joining Hashan before I went to Mhaldor, and I remain intrigued by its theme and history, in which it is incredibly rich. I wish the Hashani players and admin all the best in trying to fix its myriad issues - there is already the beginnings of something that could be really great there, it just requires a unifying force. My advice: Be tough where you need to be. You'll be much happier for it in the long run, though you might suffer in the short term.

Pretty much this, it's why I had my character be Hashani to begin with. It was really weird, because in the time I was playing, the character playing Twilight pretty much said, 'screw this city,' and up and left, taking out the obelisk, and had most of his followers run off.

This left Hashan with a huge identity crisis, as Ourania wasn't active at the time, and Valnurana was either not active, or very quiet and behind the scenes. So a few citizens were very much 'anti-Triad' for being betrayed that way, and that's lingered for years. Seems that legacy is still remaining, ten RL years after that happened.

That's pretty much the Hashan I was in, and how Hashan has been on and off for the longest time. (At least the times I was Hashani.) At times though... it's better not to even bring up history at all with Hashan. Facts are like math they hurt. 

Edit for clarity: Deladan started out as Hashani. Was in the Kharon guild.

Were we in the guild together? Or did you join after I became a serpent?

Were you HoN?

Atalkez

Lol'd that @Silas disagreed.

Worried much? :p

Alynna

Deladan said:

Alynna said:

Deladan said:

Alynna said:

Jurixe said:

Hashan has always been the city with the greatest potential to become a real force in terms of contributing to the greater storyline, but unfortunately that potential is overshadowed by drama, borderline-oocness and a general overarching lack of taking itself seriously. There are people in Hashan who would rather it be a darker Cyrene and will resist all attempts to push it further onto the axis of conflict, which is a true shame.

Even I considered joining Hashan before I went to Mhaldor, and I remain intrigued by its theme and history, in which it is incredibly rich. I wish the Hashani players and admin all the best in trying to fix its myriad issues - there is already the beginnings of something that could be really great there, it just requires a unifying force. My advice: Be tough where you need to be. You'll be much happier for it in the long run, though you might suffer in the short term.

Pretty much this, it's why I had my character be Hashani to begin with. It was really weird, because in the time I was playing, the character playing Twilight pretty much said, 'screw this city,' and up and left, taking out the obelisk, and had most of his followers run off.

This left Hashan with a huge identity crisis, as Ourania wasn't active at the time, and Valnurana was either not active, or very quiet and behind the scenes. So a few citizens were very much 'anti-Triad' for being betrayed that way, and that's lingered for years. Seems that legacy is still remaining, ten RL years after that happened.

That's pretty much the Hashan I was in, and how Hashan has been on and off for the longest time. (At least the times I was Hashani.) At times though... it's better not to even bring up history at all with Hashan. Facts are like math they hurt. 

Edit for clarity: Deladan started out as Hashani. Was in the Kharon guild.

Were we in the guild together? Or did you join after I became a serpent?

Were you HoN?

Yes, under Fendo.

Deladan

Alynna said:

Deladan said:

Alynna said:

Deladan said:

Alynna said:

Jurixe said:

Hashan has always been the city with the greatest potential to become a real force in terms of contributing to the greater storyline, but unfortunately that potential is overshadowed by drama, borderline-oocness and a general overarching lack of taking itself seriously. There are people in Hashan who would rather it be a darker Cyrene and will resist all attempts to push it further onto the axis of conflict, which is a true shame.

Even I considered joining Hashan before I went to Mhaldor, and I remain intrigued by its theme and history, in which it is incredibly rich. I wish the Hashani players and admin all the best in trying to fix its myriad issues - there is already the beginnings of something that could be really great there, it just requires a unifying force. My advice: Be tough where you need to be. You'll be much happier for it in the long run, though you might suffer in the short term.

Pretty much this, it's why I had my character be Hashani to begin with. It was really weird, because in the time I was playing, the character playing Twilight pretty much said, 'screw this city,' and up and left, taking out the obelisk, and had most of his followers run off.

This left Hashan with a huge identity crisis, as Ourania wasn't active at the time, and Valnurana was either not active, or very quiet and behind the scenes. So a few citizens were very much 'anti-Triad' for being betrayed that way, and that's lingered for years. Seems that legacy is still remaining, ten RL years after that happened.

That's pretty much the Hashan I was in, and how Hashan has been on and off for the longest time. (At least the times I was Hashani.) At times though... it's better not to even bring up history at all with Hashan. Facts are like math they hurt. 

Edit for clarity: Deladan started out as Hashani. Was in the Kharon guild.

Were we in the guild together? Or did you join after I became a serpent?

Were you HoN?

Yes, under Fendo.

I came in under Fendo. Best HL EVER.

Silas

I disagreed because there's a reason that you see most of these big name PKers like Tanris and Poergh popping up in Ashtan, and that's because people like Skarash have been setting and maintaining the foundations for those people to thrive in Ashtan for the last 10-15 rl years.

Blujixapug

Silas said:

I disagreed because there's a reason that you see most of these big name PKers like Tanris and Poergh popping up in Ashtan, and that's because people like Skarash have been setting and maintaining the foundations for those people to thrive in Ashtan for the last 10-15 rl years.

Ashtan has a legacy of benevolent tyrants/philosopher kings/manipulative bastard overlords. Political stability is more appealing to most people (I assume) than revolving door leadership, with dozens of people who believe the best way to end the endless succession of contestations is for them to contest and be a better leader than the current guy.

Kresslack

Seafaring

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* FIREWEAPON balances have been reduced (for firing and loading).
* WAVECALL maximum distance has been reduced.

Hexan

Big rave for @Shara‌ @Caoimhaen‌ @Aoghinius.

I've been really drained mentally, and emotionally IG, but hanging out with them recharges the batteries a bit.

And a giant rave for anyone high-ranking or mid-rank with a ton of responsibility, and paperwork.

I'm burnt out enough as it is with just a few simple house assignments. I cannot begin to fathom the amount of effort and hard work you all put into Achaea. (Same goes for the entire staff and divine behind the scenes.)

You have my respect, and praise.

Vansittart

ETA: Ugh, why can't I quote?  Anyway - this is supposed to start with @Blujixapug's post a couple above mine.

 

Actually, I don't think so.  It isn't the revolving door, so much as the "tall poppy" thing.  If a person draws attention to themselves, brings a raid on, makes waves, then a tiny wave of Hashani pgymies will rise up and game the legal system/make their lives a misery until they quit.  The reason that Hashan doesn't get/retain people good combatants is because Hashan forces them out.  What you really need is leadership with balls - it doesn't even matter if it's different people as long as each person who's in the seat has the balls to do things and stick to them.

Sometimes that means special treatment, sometimes that means bending the rules, or sticking your neck out and saying this person is pardoned or whatever but that's leadership.  Hashan's problem is that it is generally run by people who will pander to the lowest common denominator for an easy life.  @Silas is right - if you want top tier combatants (and you need a decent chunk in order to really play a role on the world stage) then you need to attract them.

Personally, what I'd like to see now that @Twilight and @Ourania are both active is just some divine law laying down.  If they need to boot people out, so be it.  If they need to boot out a significant portion of the city population until they are left with a majority that is hard-working, dedicated and actually wants good stuff for Hashan even better. 

Interestingly, it's kind of similar to old Shallam.  There's a residue of long-term players who hate change, and new things and have the numbers and longevity to either stop it, or make the lives of the people who are trying to do something different absolutely miserable.  You can't negotiate with those kind of people, all you can do is recognise them as your enemy (if you're in leadership) and destroy them completely.  Burn them to the ground and salt the earth.  Boot, enemy, kill, lie, character assassinate whatever.

 

Silas

I miss you. :(

ETA: Both forms have their merits. Ashtan has benefitted tremendously from the continuity in their leadership, where Overseers are generally allowed time to achieve their goals and are ushered out usually quietly when it comes time for somebody else to take over.

Hashan isn't in that position, though. Somebody needs to march in, grab the city by the balls and shake shit up, and @Twilight and @Ourania need to be there to protect them from the backlash.

Tharvis

Silas said:

I miss you.

ETA: Both forms have their merits. Ashtan has benefitted tremendously from the continuity in their leadership, where Overseers are generally allowed time to achieve their goals and are ushered out usually quietly when it comes time for somebody else to take over.

Hashan isn't in that position, though. Somebody needs to march in, grab the city by the balls and shake shit up, and @Twilight and @Ourania need to be there to protect them from the backlash.

shaking things up boss!

Silas

Do it louder.

Daily 20 page "reports" on the forums too, please, as is proper.

Tharvis

Silas said:

Do it louder.

Daily 20 page "reports" on the forums too, please, as is proper.

I direct thee to the Rants forum for people ranting about the shaking things up.

Rangor

Aegoth said:

Super rave to @Sartan and @Gaia for the betrayal event. I enjoyed it greatly! To Eleusis, you guys are great and i had fun while in the village. To @Rangor, @Alrena, and the others, you guys are awesome and great leaders. Keep up the good work! (sorry for the impromptu death @Ravien!)

Raves to Mhaldor! It's good to be back

I go afk to poop and you lure the wife away and kill her! NOWHERE WILL BE SAFE @AEGOTH. NOWHERE! 

Jurixe

That smiley, with your words, is actually really scary, @Rangor.

Xer

It's Rangroar. Just tell him to play League and he'll forget all about it!