Achaean Raves

Gibbi

Aegoth said:

@Dragonknight just stands there and lets his arties fight for him. No one knows yet, but they're high-tech automated AI artifacts given to him by the Poergh</>

ftfy

Trevize

Gibbi said:

Aegoth said:

@Dragonknight just stands there and lets his arties fight for him. No one knows yet, but they're high-tech automated AI artifacts given to him by the Poergh</>

ftfy

Poergh didn't make AI, Poergh was AI.

Unless it was self-replicating?

... the Borg started with Achaea?

Harmonia

@trevize Yes, and we reside in Mhaldor.

Anedhel

@Strata's undying rage for Targossas makes me smile every time

Trevize

In the spirit of the season or whatever... rave to all Achaeans. Admins, volunteers, players. I wouldn't be playing this game if it wasn't for everyone else playing, even those I don't interact with directly. So yeah, thanks guys, girls, and eldritch abominations.

Trey

Trevize said:

Gibbi said:

Aegoth said:

@Dragonknight just stands there and lets his arties fight for him. No one knows yet, but they're high-tech automated AI artifacts given to him by the Poergh</>

ftfy

Poergh didn't make AI, Poergh was AI.

Unless it was self-replicating?

... the Borg started with Achaea?

Poergh rhymes with Borg.

Think about it.

Kei

Trevize said:

In the spirit of the season or whatever... rave to all Achaeans. Admins, volunteers, players. I wouldn't be playing this game if it wasn't for everyone else playing, even those I don't interact with directly. So yeah, thanks guys, girls, and eldritch abominations.

It's why Achaea is the best IRE game. People can talk to me for hours about whatever reasons they like the other games...but Achaea's got the players, and it's just depressing to log onto a game at peak hours and see 40 people.

I know I already did it when I came back once, but have another holiday rave to everyone who logs in, for whatever reason you do it You all deserve it.

Nellaundra

@Kross

Mithridates

Long story short. Andraste likes to jump me while I'm hunting. It's a smart tactic, jump a mage without vibes. But it's getting to the point where I can't go hunting or do anything outside of Targossas while Andraste is around. Another Targossian jumped in, I kill him, he gems, the other Targossian kills him. Andraste asks me for a duel, which I refuse. I'm not stupid, I'm not duelling an artied dragon when I'm level 79 with an SoA.


Anyways, I think this highlights a good point. I'm not sure about the PK rules, but back when I played before, cause incurred during raids pretty much ended after the raid. The fact that I can't do a damn thing outside of Targossas when certain people are around kind of irks me. And the bigger issue is that they aren't really going after people they know they can't kill, which kind of makes it more of a griefing issue for me. Yes, I raid Ashtan. Yes, I skirmish on clouds/NoNT. But at what point does this whole cause loop end? Five, six, seven, two weeks (RL) after the fact?

Shirszae

There is no 'cause' anymore. Now, so long as you have a 'valid' reason for attacking someone, you can do so.

Mithridates

So what, if you have any semi-rational reason to attack someone it's legal? That seems like a big turn-off for people in cities like Targossas and Mhaldor where military efforts are highly encouraged. And to add to that, I've had plenty of encounters with various Ashtani and Mhaldorians that didn't end up in someone dying.

I guess what I'm saying is where is the line in the sand. Or is that now a squiggly, user-drawn line.

Trevize

Mithridates said:

Long story short. Andraste likes to jump me while I'm hunting. It's a smart tactic, jump a mage without vibes. But it's getting to the point where I can't go hunting or do anything outside of Targossas while Andraste is around. Another Targossian jumped in, I kill him, he gems, the other Targossian kills him. Andraste asks me for a duel, which I refuse. I'm not stupid, I'm not duelling an artied dragon when I'm level 79 with an SoA.


Anyways, I think this highlights a good point. I'm not sure about the PK rules, but back when I played before, cause incurred during raids pretty much ended after the raid. The fact that I can't do a damn thing outside of Targossas when certain people are around kind of irks me. And the bigger issue is that they aren't really going after people they know they can't kill, which kind of makes it more of a griefing issue for me. Yes, I raid Ashtan. Yes, I skirmish on clouds/NoNT. But at what point does this whole cause loop end? Five, six, seven, two weeks (RL) after the fact?

That depends on quite a few things. The PK rules are more lax now, but there's still limits.

HELP PK said:

1. There must be a justifiable role-play reason for every attack and death.

This does not mean you can attack other players repeatedly just for being a
member of an opposing organisation. Neither can you justify your behaviour by
claiming something like "my character is a psycho killer!" A player must have
done something serious to you to warrant an attack, and they must be aware of
the conflict before you attack them.

HELP PK said:

If players are repeatedly attacking others with no justification whatsoever,
this is the point at which the administration should be involved. Carefully
review HELP ISSUES and then submit an issue according to the procedure
described therein.

And so on.

Mithridates

I guess there is a justification, seeing as how I will raid Ashtan. So I either have to not raid, or accept getting ganked by artied dragon folk. Interesting choice.

Shirszae

@Trevize And thats different from what I said how?

Trevize

Shirszae said:

@Trevize And thats different from what I said how?

While 'cause' as a 'legal' term doesn't exist, you still need 'cause' in the sense that you need a reason. My impression of your post was that people don't need a reason. I've removed the disagree, but the way it's worded can be misleading.

edit: I see your edit - thanks!

Trevize

Mithridates said:

So what, if you have any semi-rational reason to attack someone it's legal? That seems like a big turn-off for people in cities like Targossas and Mhaldor where military efforts are highly encouraged. And to add to that, I've had plenty of encounters with various Ashtani and Mhaldorians that didn't end up in someone dying.

I guess what I'm saying is where is the line in the sand. Or is that now a squiggly, user-drawn line.

I could be quite wrong, as I don't fight a lot, but my understanding was that defending doesn't give someone a reason to attack you, while raiding does?

Mithridates

Trevize said:

Mithridates said:

So what, if you have any semi-rational reason to attack someone it's legal? That seems like a big turn-off for people in cities like Targossas and Mhaldor where military efforts are highly encouraged. And to add to that, I've had plenty of encounters with various Ashtani and Mhaldorians that didn't end up in someone dying.

I guess what I'm saying is where is the line in the sand. Or is that now a squiggly, user-drawn line.

I could be quite wrong, as I don't fight a lot, but my understanding was that defending doesn't give someone a reason to attack you, while raiding does?

Most of the people that claim the whole cause based on raiding thing, don't defend during raids. At least while I'm around/raiding. I'm assuming that now, the fact that I was in a raiding group gives the entire city of Ashtan a green-light to kill me.

Kuy

Shirszae said:

@Trevize And thats different from what I said how?

I remember cause. Oh god, Lusternia still uses a similar system.

Cause was like a "free pk on token" that you could trade in for a kill.

Mithridates said:

I guess there is a justification, seeing as how I will raid Ashtan. So I either have to not raid, or accept getting ganked by artied dragon folk. Interesting choice.

[My interpretation of HELP PK incoming:] I don't buy this. If you're not infamous, haven't given [person] a reason to attack you personally, or your orgs aren't mutual hostile, you shouldn't be attacked non stop by [person]. Try talking to [person] and working out an IC solution. If not, and you feel like you're being harassed, issue yourself and ask the admin what they think you should do. Issues should be a last resort, though.

Note: The IC org relations system DOES NOT LIST Targossas and Ashtan as being mutually hostile. Ashtan is hostile to Targossas, but Targossas is not hostile to Ashtan. That said, Mhaldor is hostile to Targossas, but Targossas is not hostile to Mhaldor. I'm willing to bet this is a case of syntax not being carried out. With the amount of raiding and theological differences, I'm willing to bet that everyone would consider Targ and Ashtan to be "mutually hostile," even if someone from Targ hasn't pushed the button (as the case is often people forgetting these things exist). If this is the case, and we are mutually hostile, soldiers can attack each other for no reason other than you're a soldier. And you're a soldier. So shine those boots, polish that staff, and [in the words of an old IRE friend] toughen up, princess.

Regardless, I wouldn't ever really consider taking these sort of issues up on the forums. Too often "calling people out" is pretty subjective, and if I were Andraste, I'd feel a little slighted by a forum post like this. By all means, do what you want, but just be careful that you don't start breeding ill-will OOCly because of the forums. This is honestly a question more suited for the admin and not the players, as we don't make the rules.

Jhui

suck it up, bro. Can't post lifting pictures in Player Pics then be a sissy here.

Mithridates

Jhui said:

suck it up, bro. Can't post lifting pictures in Player Pics then be a sissy here.

Do you even lift?

Silas

People who've been issued in the past for this get told that jumping somebody who raids is unacceptable under the current rules, given that raids apparently aren't justification to jump somebody solo.

I don't necessarily agree with that stance, but that's where the admins stand on it. If you feel people are going too far with jumping you after raids, and they won't back off or be reasonable if you approach them about it, this is what issues are for.

Mithridates

I'm not going to issue him over it, that's silly. I'm just asking for a clarification on the rules here. A lot's changed, that's for sure.

Kuy

Mithridates said:

I'm not going to issue him over it, that's silly. I'm just asking for a clarification on the rules here. A lot's changed, that's for sure.

Issuing someone else is not the same thing as issuing yourself.

Mithridates

No shit?

Silas

What do the rules matter if you're not going to issue somebody? Rules are irrelevant unless you get caught breaking them and punished.

Mithridates

Good point, but I just won't be the one to do it. I'd rather just tell them to fuck off in game or try to kill them, at least. I mean I know it's futile at this point to try and kill people way over my might but it's a game, ya know. I'm not going to get too butt-hurt about it.

Caoimhaen

@ruth is awesome. One of the few people who actually slow down and RP with you

Silas

@Mithridates: Fair enough.

Jhui

Mithridates said:

Jhui said:

suck it up, bro. Can't post lifting pictures in Player Pics then be a sissy here.

Do you even lift?

More than you

Jurixe

Just a note: The reason why Targossas and Ashtan (or Targossas and Mhaldor) haven't set relations to mutually hostile is because you can't just have hostile/hostile - both orgs declaring hostile/hostile automatically sets them to 'War!' and war means a whole new system is in place - increased raids, increased pk, and soldiers (which means all of Mhaldor, in this case, not sure about the other cities) can be attacked any time for any reason at all. Of course ideologically we're always going to be hostile, but you've experienced how fun it isn't to be jumped 24/7, and a hostilities declaration like that would effectively make such a situation permanent if it were to accurately reflect our ideological stances.

That's not to say being jumped doesn't happen as it is, but it's at a far reduced rate and people generally tend to back off after a while. Maybe you did something to make Andraste mad, I don't know! Trying to talk through it with him if it is bugging you that much might help, though I don't know the circumstances of the situation.

For actual raves to not derail...um. I killed people when I woke up this morning. That's good right?