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  • EiredhelEiredhel California
    edited October 2013
    Mini-rave for my IC kids who crack me up. I was dreading IC parenthood a lot, but they do a great job in helping Eiredhel take herself less seriously. 

    @Ourania and @Valnurana for being so hard working. The speed in which they get back to questions and concerns is ridiculously op. 

    Meow, meow, etc. 
    Eiredhel's Family Tree

  • JarrodJarrod
    I'll share the numbers of what I've learned here, to hopefully curb the amount of messages @Tecton will get in the future, or possibly inspire more of them!

    Most of the attacks (dstab, pickpocket, flay) are capped in how much reduction they can receive, so any DEX over a certain value is not beneficial to reducing balance times any more. I don't know specifically what this number is, you'll have to test for yourselves, but I do know that at 16 DEX I was at maximum balance reduction. Thoth's dstab was sitting around 1.82-1.86 balance times with max reduction and Nimble.

    Some things are not capped in reduction, the only one I found while I was testing extreme DEX ranges was backstab channel time. At 16 DEX Backstab took 3.6 seconds to complete. At 19 DEX it took 2.5 seconds to complete. Possible Phase is uncapped as well, I didn't test it.

    Shrugging works through paralysis currently, and has a 10 second 'cooldown' before it can be used again.

    Item pickpocketing lets you get any non-worn item on a person. It has extremely low chances to succeed (10% or less, not enough data to be sure at this point). It is increased by Dexterity, but like attack speeds it is capped scaling. Once an item pickpocket attempt fails, you're 'immune' to item pickpocket attempts for an hour. A good compromise to the prior theft system, I think. High value items can be stolen again, but at very low odds. It still takes the channel time, and mesmerise time to maximize efficiency, so you're looking at ~20 seconds of prep time to attempt on someone with anti-theft. You can't constantly attempt high-value theft on that person because of the cooldown, and it always alerts you to the name of the person who attempted to take the item when it fails. I have not seen it succeed, so I don't know what is seen then.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • KybraeKybrae
    Ourania said:

    This is the raves section of the forum. If you have a rant, there is the sewers. Issues do not belong on the forum. Raves here please. RAVES. Or I will get all Gilmore Girls. No one wants that.

    I don't know why but how that was worded I had the odd image of the Gilmore Girls at a Rave party O.o
    "Sometimes... legends are true" 
  • JarrodJarrod
    @Iocun did you test Level 1 + 18 and Level 2 + 16? Curious if it's attainable. I ask because from what Makarios said Thoth's can't be reduced, it simply is that fast, so I'm wondering if the other levels can be brought to Thoth's level. I would assume no, but have no testing to back that up.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • IocunIocun
    Hrm, actually the numbers don't come from testing, but from Makarios directly, but if now he actually says that Thoth's can't be reduced at all, they must have changed slightly, because as he stated it then, Thoth's alone would leave you at 2.2, i.e. 0.1 seconds above the speed cap still.

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  • MakariosMakarios
    Nothings changed. My comment about it being impossible to reduce thoths was in regard to old thoths speed. The current dstab cap is .1s faster than the old max attainable speed for dstab (and you'll always be only one dex short of that cap with thoths now, which is the same as old thoths speed). Hence, you'll never be slower than old thoths as a current thoths owner.
  • JarrodJarrod
    Wait, does that mean you can achieve max Thoth's speed with level 1/2 Dirk?
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • IocunIocun
    edited October 2013
    Yes.

    With dex spec, trait, and a level 3 dex artie, you'd even reach non-dexxed thoth speed with an ordinary dirk.

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  • SalinderaSalindera
    edited October 2013
    Read some other forum pages, question answered
  • MakariosMakarios

    More reallistically possible with a level two dirk. You'll just be less tanky than someone doing it with a thoths.

    On paper it is achieveable with a level 1 dirk, but it would require either stacked truefavours or dex artefacts (at which point it'd be cheaper just to buy the dirk upgrade).

  • JarrodJarrod
    edited October 2013
    I don't like that, seems a bit odd that you can achieve Thoth's speed and net all the other benefits of high Dex.

    I wouldn't suggest big differences, 1.8/1.85/1.9/1.95(unartied max), but I'd like to see differences. Oh well.

    Edit: To clarify, with how good Dex is for everything else, and how simple it is to reach 16 Dex, it feels like I wasted credits now on Thoth's. If I could change it to an buckawn's spine and I would lose absolutely nothing, so I'm only out the credits now
    :-/
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • CaoimhaenCaoimhaen Targossas
    edited October 2013
    Rave for an awesomely relaxing month in Cyrene and in Caer Witrin. I relaxed for once! Its a miracle! And getting to hang out with my auntie @keneanung

  • IocunIocun
    Jarrod said:
    I don't like that, seems a bit odd that you can achieve Thoth's speed and net all the other benefits of high Dex.

    I wouldn't suggest big differences, 1.8/1.85/1.9/1.95(unartied max), but I'd like to see differences. Oh well.

    Edit: To clarify, with how good Dex is for everything else, and how simple it is to reach 16 Dex, it feels like I wasted credits now on Thoth's. If I could change it to an buckawn's spine and I would lose absolutely nothing, so I'm only out the credits now
    :-/
    You would lose con though.

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  • RangorRangor
    Arador said:
    Rave to @Rangor, @Geraint, @Alrena (who I accidentally rezzed :P), @Kastiel, @Erikka, @Antonius and whoever I am missing for that little skirmish yesterday. We won some we lost some but it was so damn nice to have a melee mashup instead of the stationary LoS bullshit of the last bloody RL year.

    Even on crappy 3G I was laughing my ass off. Rave to all the Mhaldorians as well for going along in what was a amazingly fun and messy melee run around.
    That was some wicked cool skirmishes. Xer's on the first to kill list now for serving up kills to that carebear Carmain!
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  • JarrodJarrod
    Iocun said:
    Jarrod said:
    I don't like that, seems a bit odd that you can achieve Thoth's speed and net all the other benefits of high Dex.

    I wouldn't suggest big differences, 1.8/1.85/1.9/1.95(unartied max), but I'd like to see differences. Oh well.

    Edit: To clarify, with how good Dex is for everything else, and how simple it is to reach 16 Dex, it feels like I wasted credits now on Thoth's. If I could change it to an buckawn's spine and I would lose absolutely nothing, so I'm only out the credits now
    :-/
    You would lose con though.
    Why would I switch to CON spec because I have Thoth's? I still want the reduction on flay at least for combat, and the reduction for everything else is great too.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    Rangor said:


    Arador said:

    Rave to @Rangor, @Geraint, @Alrena (who I accidentally rezzed :P), @Kastiel, @Erikka, @Antonius and whoever I am missing for that little skirmish yesterday. We won some we lost some but it was so damn nice to have a melee mashup instead of the stationary LoS bullshit of the last bloody RL year.

    Even on crappy 3G I was laughing my ass off. Rave to all the Mhaldorians as well for going along in what was a amazingly fun and messy melee run around.

    That was some wicked cool skirmishes. Xer's on the first to kill list now for serving up kills to that carebear Carmain!

    if you werent so noob you wouldnt have died. Jarrus tanked 6 bites. He is a pro.

    -

    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • IocunIocun
    Jarrod said:
    Iocun said:
    Jarrod said:
    I don't like that, seems a bit odd that you can achieve Thoth's speed and net all the other benefits of high Dex.

    I wouldn't suggest big differences, 1.8/1.85/1.9/1.95(unartied max), but I'd like to see differences. Oh well.

    Edit: To clarify, with how good Dex is for everything else, and how simple it is to reach 16 Dex, it feels like I wasted credits now on Thoth's. If I could change it to an buckawn's spine and I would lose absolutely nothing, so I'm only out the credits now
    :-/
    You would lose con though.
    Why would I switch to CON spec because I have Thoth's? I still want the reduction on flay at least for combat, and the reduction for everything else is great too.
    Yes, this can be a small minmaxing problem for mhun/rajas/atavians, whose higher dex in dex specs conflicts with the dstab cap when using Fangs. Other races still benefit entirely from dex speccing (although might not gain the full benefits of the agile trait on top of that either).

    Consider though that the speed modification on flay is extremely small. You'd have to boost your dex quite a lot for it to feel significantly faster, so con speccing is still perfectly fine for a Fang user.

    What would have been great though, would be to apply the nimble bonus before the cap, but lower the cap to 1.9. That way, people would also have the chance of not picking nimble as a serpent (and either get quick-witted instead, or none at all for more tankiness), but making up for it by getting higher dex.

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  • EiredhelEiredhel California
    I get some twisted satisfaction when I send out tons of letters at one time in achaea. 


    Meow, meow, etc. 
    Eiredhel's Family Tree

  • KybraeKybrae
    Eiredhel said:
    I get some twisted satisfaction when I send out tons of letters at one time in achaea. 


    You are twisted @Eiredhel ...did you send another round of letters out? :P
    "Sometimes... legends are true" 
  • OceanaOceana North Sea
    @Ravien for the first Loamweaving ritual.

    Also @Saidie and @Rinzai for making a cute log couple.
  • AlaricAlaric Canada
    SHAMAN CHANGES!

    Cahin said:
    Obliterate was a fair and balanced ability and it's removal from puppetry and vodun should have been a crime.
  • FitzFitz Fire and Spice
    T.t..tu.tuuuuuuurn and face the strange...ch-ch-ch-changes





  • JesparJespar
    rave to @halos for that little talk today how he was trying to convert me to targossas,

    he said something about whores running around the streets of ashtan and i replied with, "we know that your rituals are just a cover for a more, lets say, erotic type of ritual."

    funnest thing :D
  • JacenJacen
    Liked for Al Bundy
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