Depthswalkers: Post your findings.

Antonius

Makarios has already said that the augmentation benefits don't work if you forget the tree, so if they did that's definitely not the intention.

Ahmet

All daggers, scythes and cloaks are 30 months decay. Disappointing.

Also, am I the only one irked by the inconsistency between apostrophes and quotes in Terminus?

Or by the fact that all the periods are outside the quotes?

Sena

Ahmet said:

Or by the fact that all the periods are outside the quotes?

I'm pretty happy about it. The standard convention bugs me.

Ahmet

@Borran @Sena

The Divine voice of Meletus echoes in your head, "Perhaps clarification is required. Mainaad, and the other augmentations, will persist upon the weapons and cloak until they decay, but will not provide their bonus if their research is not unlocked."

Krypton

Ahmet said:

Or by the fact that all the periods are outside the quotes?

Achaea uses UK grammar.

Ahmet

Krypton said:

Ahmet said:

Or by the fact that all the periods are outside the quotes?

Achaea uses UK grammar.

Except for in.. idunno... every single channel, tell, and say message ever.

Krypton

That's still UK grammar. Anything someone says is their direct quote, including ending punctuation, so it goes inside the quotation marks.

Ahmet

*grumble*

Still, standardise the punctuation!

Sena

Ahmet said:

The Divine voice of Meletus echoes in your head, "Perhaps clarification is required. Mainaad, and the other augmentations, will persist upon the weapons and cloak until they decay, but will not provide their bonus if their research is not unlocked."

To go along with this, if you have more than five shadows in a phylactery thanks to augmenting it with Dalem, you'll keep the shadows when forgetting the research, you just can't add more.

Andrea

Non-factional: check

Shadowmancy: check

Chronomancy: check

Researchermancy: check

Awesomely thematic: check

Huge number of skills with only a pvp focus: ..................... sadly check (it's been 13 years and I haven't given up hope on a pure pve/adventuring class yet!)

I haven't gotten to try out much yet, since everything I ever hunt is currently dead and bashing without mudlet is painful. Haven't played in years so getting by with website client is slow for me.  Plus I don't have the lessons to trans everything.  But the little bit of bashing I've done so far seems okay, even as an 11 str siren it doesn't seem super slow.  Keep in mind I haven't really played since pre-battlerage/mob hp buffing, so I am probably very inefficient with my attacks.

But all in all a very nice class since I can't be occie anymore, I may actually start playing again!

Dortheron

Andrea said:

Huge number of skills with only a pvp focus: ..................... sadly check (it's been 13 years and I haven't given up hope on a pure pve/adventuring class yet!)

Achaea was made as a PVP mud, and you most likely won't ever get a pve/adventuring class without SOME form of combat ability

Klendathu

I asked in the other thread, but it seemed to get ignored and is now a load of pages back from the beginning, but is the shieldbreaking rage attack (Nakail) level 4 (where I was initially told it is) or level 3 (where every other classes' shieldbreaking rage attack sits)?

Zulah

Klendathu said:

I asked in the other thread, but it seemed to get ignored and is now a load of pages back from the beginning, but is the shieldbreaking rage attack (Nakail) level 4 (where I was initially told it is) or level 3 (where every other classes' shieldbreaking rage attack sits)?

Its lvl 4 I JUST came to forums to ask about this myself. My code is set up to use the lvl 3 battlerage skill for shield break and this threw a major wrench in my battlerage code... @Makarios is this intentional?

Abilities in Battlerage:
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Drain                The shadow grows at the cost of the corporeal
Lash                 Whips of shadow to scourge your foes.
Curse                The truest expression of temporal control.
Nakail               There can be no barrier against your voice.
Erasure              They shall be undone.
Boinad               They shall aide you.
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To gain further information on an ability, AB <ability>.


Drain (Battlerage)                            Known: Yes
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Syntax:            SHADOW DRAIN <target>
Works on/against:  Denizens
Cooldown:          16.00 seconds
Resource:          14 rage
Details:
Cause a denizen's shadow to begin leeching strength from its host,
causing periodic damage over time.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lash (Battlerage)                             Known: Yes
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Syntax:            SHADOW LASH <target>
Cooldown:          23.00 seconds
Resource:          36 rage
Details:
Command the shadows to lash a denizen, causing damage.
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Curse (Battlerage)                            Known: Yes
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Syntax:            CHRONO CURSE <target>
Works on/against:  Denizens
Cooldown:          35.00 seconds
Resource:          24 rage
Details:
The curse of the Lord of Time is potent indeed. Bring down the Aeon
affliction onto a denizen, slowing its passage through time.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nakail (Battlerage)                           Known: Yes
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Syntax:            INTONE NAKAIL <target>
Works on/against:  Denizens
Resource:          17 rage
Details:
With a word, destroy any shield that a denizen may be cowering behind.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Erasure (Battlerage)                          Known: Yes
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Syntax:            CHRONO ERASURE <target>
Works on/against:  Denizens
Cooldown:          23.00 seconds
Resource:          25 rage
Details:
Your command of time allows you to erase the very concept of a denizen
from the timestream, inflicting catastrophic damage against their
person.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Boinad (Battlerage)                           Known: Yes
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Syntax:            INTONE BOINAD <target>
Works on/against:  Denizens
Cooldown:          38.00 seconds
Resource:          32 rage
Details:
Command a denizen to aide instead of hinder. This word of power shall
force a denizen to attack other denizens in the room, by conveying the
charm affliction upon it. This affliction lasts for five seconds.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Klendathu

Zulah said:

Klendathu said:

I asked in the other thread, but it seemed to get ignored and is now a load of pages back from the beginning, but is the shieldbreaking rage attack (Nakail) level 4 (where I was initially told it is) or level 3 (where every other classes' shieldbreaking rage attack sits)?

Its lvl 4 I JUST came to forums to ask about this myself. My code is set up to use the lvl 3 battlerage skill for shield break and this threw a major wrench in my battlerage code... @Makarios is this intentional?

Ruh-roh! Mine's all updated

Zulah

Klendathu said:

Zulah said:

Klendathu said:

I asked in the other thread, but it seemed to get ignored and is now a load of pages back from the beginning, but is the shieldbreaking rage attack (Nakail) level 4 (where I was initially told it is) or level 3 (where every other classes' shieldbreaking rage attack sits)?

Its lvl 4 I JUST came to forums to ask about this myself. My code is set up to use the lvl 3 battlerage skill for shield break and this threw a major wrench in my battlerage code... @Makarios is this intentional?

Ruh-roh! Mine's all updated

Because of 12 classes I have a general setup for bashing that uses the skills no matter which class. Just a pain to have 1 class out of every class that has shield break as 4 rather than 3.

Atalkez

So do you check your brage skills every class change/login?

Seems harder than just hardcoding them in this instance.

Edit: it's like that likely because of how good the shield break with dagger is. The rage isn't needed as early by comparison etc.

Keneanung

Zulah said:

Klendathu said:

Zulah said:

Klendathu said:

I asked in the other thread, but it seemed to get ignored and is now a load of pages back from the beginning, but is the shieldbreaking rage attack (Nakail) level 4 (where I was initially told it is) or level 3 (where every other classes' shieldbreaking rage attack sits)?

Its lvl 4 I JUST came to forums to ask about this myself. My code is set up to use the lvl 3 battlerage skill for shield break and this threw a major wrench in my battlerage code... @Makarios is this intentional?

Ruh-roh! Mine's all updated

Because of 12 classes I have a general setup for bashing that uses the skills no matter which class. Just a pain to have 1 class out of every class that has shield break as 4 rather than 3.

Same with my basher. Hopefully @Makarios gives an answer.

The battlerage ABs are also missing the structured information about given afflictions and synergies in the header, which are also used by the basher.

Korben

Dortheron said:

Achaea was made as a PVP mud, and you most likely won't ever get a pve/adventuring class without SOME form of combat ability

I agree that every class, ever, is likely to have many if not most of its abilities geared to PvP. That's how the game is structured. I insist, however, that Achaea is a balanced MUD rather than a PvP one. As for the 'why are most abilities combat related' argument, it's simple: the kind of person that bashes or tradeskills all day doesn't particularly care for variety, they can use 'harvest moss' over and over and not get bored, whereas the target public for PvP demands variety.

Atalkez

Korben said:

Dortheron said:

Achaea was made as a PVP mud, and you most likely won't ever get a pve/adventuring class without SOME form of combat ability

I agree that every class, ever, is likely to have many if not most of its abilities geared to PvP. That's how the game is structured. I insist, however, that Achaea is a balanced MUD rather than a PvP one. As for the 'why are most abilities combat related' argument, it's simple: the kind of person that bashes or tradeskills all day doesn't particularly care for variety, they can use 'harvest moss' over and over and not get bored, whereas the target public for PvP demands variety.

Achaea was designed to be a PK game. The RP developed after the fact.

Can find posts by Sarapis detailing this.

Not saying RP isn't important, but it's not the basis of the game, and was never intended to be.

Leviticus

Atalkez said:

Korben said:

Dortheron said:

Achaea was made as a PVP mud, and you most likely won't ever get a pve/adventuring class without SOME form of combat ability

I agree that every class, ever, is likely to have many if not most of its abilities geared to PvP. That's how the game is structured. I insist, however, that Achaea is a balanced MUD rather than a PvP one. As for the 'why are most abilities combat related' argument, it's simple: the kind of person that bashes or tradeskills all day doesn't particularly care for variety, they can use 'harvest moss' over and over and not get bored, whereas the target public for PvP demands variety.

Achaea was designed to be a PK game. The RP developed after the fact.

Can find posts by Sarapis detailing this.

Not saying RP isn't important, but it's not the basis of the game, and was never intended to be.

RP is not important, ever. Carry on.

Korben

Atalkez said:

Achaea was designed to be a PK game. The RP developed after the fact.

Can find posts by Sarapis detailing this.

Not saying RP isn't important, but it's not the basis of the game, and was never intended to be.

By 'balanced', I mean between Bartle's four player types, RP is not a part of this classification. And while Achaea may have -started- as a PK game, it isn't a purely PK game now. I can find any number of recent and not-so-recent changes to back up my view.

Ryzeth

That's why we have so many people participating in these (gasp) RP events.

Atalkez

Suppose we disagree.

May be an unpopular statement but most people use the game as a glorified chatroom. Most attempts at RP are self serving, special snowflake type stuff. For every Taurus/Amunet the are 20 Sexbot9000

Ryzeth

Depthswalker's version of veildeliver looks amazing!

With a near-inaudible hiss, your shadow uncoils from you. A translucent hand rises to take a lightweight, Hashani whip from your grasp, its freezing touch a balm to your suddenly clammy skin. With a deferential bow of the head, your eternal companion departs, seeking out Josoul.

With a whisper-soft hiss, your shadow reappears, grasping hands empty. Nodding to you, it steps out of sight, and feeling abruptly returns to your numb extremities.

What he sees:

An icy hand clutches at your shoulder. As your heart rate elevates and you turn your head, you come eye to eye with the grim visage of the shadow of Ryzeth. Tilting its head, it drops a lightweight, Hashani whip into your unresisting hands before vanishing with a near-inaudible hiss.

What others see:

The grim visage of the shadow of Ryzeth rises up behind Josoul, a claw-like hand descending to grasp him by the shoulder. As Josoul turns, the spectre drops a lightweight, Hashani whip into his hands before vanishing from sight with a near-inaudible hiss.

Zulah

Some combat logs to show off what will soon be nerfed lol
(19 str with all DW arties)

Very easy to get shadows on 5th hit looped with leach instill.

Dictate kill:
My view: https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/MdSmqRnC
His view: https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/L6t6chzZ

Sensitive Mutilate kill:
My view: https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/ik0eqkwN
His view: https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/LNizaH5C

Omor

@Zulah is the sensi/mutilate the same thing you were practicing on me yesterday?

Ryzeth

Don't think it will be nerfed, it's not AS bad when you're actively attacking/hindering them. Shadow is very easy to get though, yes, and is gonna be a looming threat when it happens. Its damage could prolly use a little bit of adjustment, though. Depression is bonkers.

Finkle

A lot of kill avenues are pretty powerful when the target is letting you have your way with them.

I'd be more interested to see it when sun card, arctar, and a shield tattoo was used.   Along  with the hinder from lethargy.

Zulah

Omor said:

@Zulah is the sensi/mutilate the same thing you were practicing on me yesterday?

Yeah, was refining it.

Ryzeth said:

Don't think it will be nerfed, it's not AS bad when you're actively attacking/hindering them. Shadow is very easy to get though, yes, and is gonna be a looming threat when it happens. Its damage could prolly use a little bit of adjustment, though. Depression is bonkers.

I don't think it's bad but people will complain. Vortex through mass will give beckon to cities that didn't have it. Preempt / shadow step being hard to run from. Attune with loop allowing 4 afflictions in a single shot if timed right. Active curing. There will whining when people get better with it. There always is.

I love how it's not a static class. A real jack of all trades class.

Ryzeth

Finkle said:

A lot of kill avenues are pretty powerful when the target is letting you have your way with them.
I'd be more interested to see it when sun card, arctar, and a shield tattoo was used.   Along  with the hinder from lethargy.

QFT. Had some fun fights vs @Krizal; DW vs DW is a real deathball matchup, lawl. It's very hinderable.