The Revelation

Szanthax

Avatar rex location, alA nirvana, can't leave until you drop Grace, single exit to _____

Dunn

They removed the single exit locations from falls for a reason, @Szanthax. No one likes a camper.

Farrah

Ahmet said:

Farrah said:

Ahmet said:

Tbh i lold at that coming from farrah

I'm only belligerent IC because everyone getting along is boring.

No hard feelings! It's all in good fun.

Was more referring to the fact that Targ basically hijacked the coalition to get a single shrine up fastest and that's basically all that anyone from your city has been pushing for, to be the first ones to get a shrine up ASAP.

Ah. You misunderstood my post then. I'm not saying people should stop serving their IG interests - it's the competing interests that make it fun. But all this talk of no sleep and basically "when can this phase be over because I'm sick of spending the whole day gathering shards?" is taking it too far.

When I'm tired, I go to sleep. I don't care if shards are about to drop. Sometime Saturday (I think) I was hosting party spars in because we were bored and wanted to fight, and there wasn't much pk opposition during the splinter fall, even though there were splinters falling at the time. The world didn't end.

I just think a lot of the frustration stems from people treating splinter gathering as a full time job. Your character can be all about getting your god's shrine up asap without you devoting your own life to it 24/7.

Atalkez

I mean it was either value the bigger populations doing more of the work, more than the little guys, or the entire things was going to fall apart anyway.

I think we took the right route, if the alliance was going to exist past this stage.

Calyn

"The creatures looked outside from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Ahmet

I promise you as many Scarlattans were helping as Aegeans or Darkwalkers or Nerei or Prosperians. Note: were.

Lisbethae

Hopefully, everyone stays working, because hopefully the plan will be working until ALL shrines are raised. This means ALL. 

Ahmet

Yeah, I mean, it's nice to wish for, but Targ's orders have already proven they're ready and willing to leave as soon as it benefits them. Things are already tense as it is. Not to mention that both the whole shard sharing business and prioritizing some divine over others literally defeat the whole purpose of having a fairly-determined rotation.

Szanthax

Dunn said:

They removed the single exit locations from falls for a reason, @Szanthax. No one likes a camper.

Make it a random exit. Push you out when Grace drops

Calyn

The Coalition had the chance to kick Targossas out right at the beginning after they broke the agreement and tried to leave anyway: Instead, the metagame of consolidating splinters trumped the RP and reasonable position of "why are we trusting the sides which would gladly kill us for not having their ideology?" and now you're all cursing the sudden yet inevitable betrayal.

Sorry, not sorry. Actions have consequences, and believing that radical ideologies won't favor themselves above everyone else is naive at best.

Antidas

Calyn said:

"The creatures looked outside from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Liked for the awesome Orwellian quote.

Calyn said:

The Coalition had the chance to kick Targossas out right at the beginning after they broke the agreement and tried to leave anyway: Instead, the metagame of consolidating splinters trumped the RP and reasonable position of "why are we trusting the sides which would gladly kill us for not having their ideology?" and now you're all cursing the sudden yet inevitable betrayal.

Sorry, not sorry. Actions have consequences, and believing that radical ideologies won't favor themselves above everyone else is naive at best.

I feel like you have a lot of OOC hostile feelings towards the IC actions that Targossas has been taking in regards to its treatment of the Coalition, and I'm not really sure why. Nothing we have done has been out of context with our own ideologies or RP. Obviously, I'm not basing this observation entirely on this post, but there've been a number of others that I don't really want to go find. There's been no "sudden yet inevitable betrayal" from Targossas, but idk why anyone would expect us to do anything but blue our own ideologies/gods above everyone elses. I've generally been opposed to the coalition existing at all, for the same reasons @Farrah has mentioned, but I'll admit I've had some fun trying to walk the line of pushing my own faction forward while still supporting/keeping the support of the others.

Calyn

Honestly? My one beef with Targossas is that they stayed in the Coalition in the first place. I feel that Targ should have nope'd the hell out as soon as it became clear that not only were the Bloodsworn on equal footing with Sartan and Twilight, but that the Coalition was occasionally giving Sartan a handout. Beyond that, it's just the same "My group is immaculate and perfect and never abuses everything, yours is the DEVIL" that everyone indulges in. Nothing personal, all forums.

My real issue is the 'neutral-ish' parties in the Coalition that tried to use "Oh, if we don't all work together, we'll all die at the hands of the tsol'teth" as an excuse to go try and work with parties that would kill them anyway. I don't know if anyone in certain cities realize it yet, but if Mhaldor's the last standing city on Sapience, you're either getting branded or executed. If Targossas wins, you're either being filled with the Holy Flame of Righteousness or being thrown into it. If Ashtan's the last city, the Nihilists already won, dehumanize yourselves and face to Oblivion.

There's no compromise with strong ideologies as a neutral/less radical ideology because you're never on an even playing field. You can talk all you want about the safety of Sapience and the importance of unity, but in the end, they're still going to kick the neutral parties and take their lunch money if they think they can get away with it. I'm grumpy that people somehow think that making some sort of friendly agreement is going to save people from "Yay, we helped Targossas/Mhaldor rebuild their shrine and they let us take refuge there, wait, why are we all being rounded up in the Red Square".

Siduri

It kind of sucks for those of us who are willing to help everyone, at any time, to see how many people just drop out and give us the cold shoulder personally. Yes, we're getting an advantage in the current setup, but I find it sad to be treated like it's what -I- am about.

Antidas

Calyn said:

If Targossas wins, you're either being filled with the Holy Flame of Righteousness or being thrown into it. 

I feel like like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Targossas' stance on neutral parties. This would only be the case if you were a Evil/Chaos/Darkness supporter. We're not really friendly with anyone who doesn't actively assist Good(tm), but neither are we out to brand them all unless they follow our way of life. So long as they don't hurt Creation, its generally ok to let them be. If this wasn't the case you can be damn sure that I would have started leading raids on Cyrene by now! @Verrucht knows how much I'd love to do this ( )

Patroklos

Antidas said:

Calyn said:

"The creatures looked outside from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Liked for the awesome Orwellian quote.

Calyn said:

The Coalition had the chance to kick Targossas out right at the beginning after they broke the agreement and tried to leave anyway: Instead, the metagame of consolidating splinters trumped the RP and reasonable position of "why are we trusting the sides which would gladly kill us for not having their ideology?" and now you're all cursing the sudden yet inevitable betrayal.

Sorry, not sorry. Actions have consequences, and believing that radical ideologies won't favor themselves above everyone else is naive at best.

I feel like you have a lot of OOC hostile feelings towards the IC actions that Targossas has been taking in regards to its treatment of the Coalition, and I'm not really sure why. Nothing we have done has been out of context with our own ideologies or RP. Obviously, I'm not basing this observation entirely on this post, but there've been a number of others that I don't really want to go find. There's been no "sudden yet inevitable betrayal" from Targossas, but idk why anyone would expect us to do anything but blue our own ideologies/gods above everyone elses. I've generally been opposed to the coalition existing at all, for the same reasons @Farrah has mentioned, but I'll admit I've had some fun trying to walk the line of pushing my own faction forward while still supporting/keeping the support of the others.

Man, in all honesty I've almost regretted the coalition multiple times, a lot of it from the behavior going on with Mhaldor and Targossas constantly snipping at everyone, and having to play peace keeper and/or bad cop. Your attitude when y'all were ordered to be a part of with didn't help, but I'm glad whatever caused you to thaw out a little and retract the stick a bit happened. In all honesty, had Targ left I think they'd have regretted the decision, simply because the Nihilists and their supporters, Mhaldor, and Targ woulda been scrapping; all while the rest of us just picked up shards and sniped off the survivors/had a free pass while they went back to regroup.

Would have probably been more what @Makarios and @Nicola wanted, but that's just purely speculation, particularly since there's been no progress really made on the shrine situations since the partials happened. Really makes me wonder if something happened behind the scenes that's put an all stop, or if this leg was intentionally supposed to last this long. Seems too long to me, but that's just speculation based of previous events.

Calyn

Antidas said:

Calyn said:

If Targossas wins, you're either being filled with the Holy Flame of Righteousness or being thrown into it. 

I feel like like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Targossas' stance on neutral parties. This would only be the case if you were a Evil/Chaos/Darkness supporter. We're not really friendly with anyone who doesn't actively assist Good(tm), but neither are we out to brand them all unless they follow our way of life. So long as they don't hurt Creation, its generally ok to let them be. If this wasn't the case you can be damn sure that I would have started leading raids on Cyrene by now! @Verrucht knows how much I'd love to do this ( )

I'm probably misunderstanding, yeah. Again, this is less of a rant against Targossas than you think.

Antidas

Patroklos said:

Antidas said:

Calyn said:

"The creatures looked outside from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Liked for the awesome Orwellian quote.

Calyn said:

The Coalition had the chance to kick Targossas out right at the beginning after they broke the agreement and tried to leave anyway: Instead, the metagame of consolidating splinters trumped the RP and reasonable position of "why are we trusting the sides which would gladly kill us for not having their ideology?" and now you're all cursing the sudden yet inevitable betrayal.

Sorry, not sorry. Actions have consequences, and believing that radical ideologies won't favor themselves above everyone else is naive at best.

I feel like you have a lot of OOC hostile feelings towards the IC actions that Targossas has been taking in regards to its treatment of the Coalition, and I'm not really sure why. Nothing we have done has been out of context with our own ideologies or RP. Obviously, I'm not basing this observation entirely on this post, but there've been a number of others that I don't really want to go find. There's been no "sudden yet inevitable betrayal" from Targossas, but idk why anyone would expect us to do anything but blue our own ideologies/gods above everyone elses. I've generally been opposed to the coalition existing at all, for the same reasons @Farrah has mentioned, but I'll admit I've had some fun trying to walk the line of pushing my own faction forward while still supporting/keeping the support of the others.

Man, in all honesty I've almost regretted the coalition multiple times, a lot of it from the behavior going on with Mhaldor and Targossas constantly snipping at everyone, and having to play peace keeper and/or bad cop. Your attitude when y'all were ordered to be a part of with didn't help, but I'm glad whatever caused you to thaw out a little and retract the stick a bit happened. In all honesty, had Targ left I think they'd have regretted the decision, simply because the Nihilists and their supporters, Mhaldor, and Targ woulda been scrapping; all while the rest of us just picked up shards and sniped off the survivors/had a free pass while they went back to regroup.

Would have probably been more what @Makarios and @Nicola wanted, but that's just purely speculation, particularly since there's been no progress really made on the shrine situations since the partials happened. Really makes me wonder if something happened behind the scenes that's put an all stop, or if this leg was intentionally supposed to last this long. Seems too long to me, but that's just speculation based of previous events.

Our attitude, assuming you're referring mostly to myself and @Farrah, was almost entirely RP'd for our own fun to cause problems, because having everyone get along is so boring! I had fun acting like a douchebag while still helping to fight, and being grumpy about it the entire time haha. Don't take it so personally!

Xaden

Antidas said:

Patroklos said:

Antidas said:

Calyn said:

"The creatures looked outside from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Liked for the awesome Orwellian quote.

Calyn said:

The Coalition had the chance to kick Targossas out right at the beginning after they broke the agreement and tried to leave anyway: Instead, the metagame of consolidating splinters trumped the RP and reasonable position of "why are we trusting the sides which would gladly kill us for not having their ideology?" and now you're all cursing the sudden yet inevitable betrayal.

Sorry, not sorry. Actions have consequences, and believing that radical ideologies won't favor themselves above everyone else is naive at best.

I feel like you have a lot of OOC hostile feelings towards the IC actions that Targossas has been taking in regards to its treatment of the Coalition, and I'm not really sure why. Nothing we have done has been out of context with our own ideologies or RP. Obviously, I'm not basing this observation entirely on this post, but there've been a number of others that I don't really want to go find. There's been no "sudden yet inevitable betrayal" from Targossas, but idk why anyone would expect us to do anything but blue our own ideologies/gods above everyone elses. I've generally been opposed to the coalition existing at all, for the same reasons @Farrah has mentioned, but I'll admit I've had some fun trying to walk the line of pushing my own faction forward while still supporting/keeping the support of the others.

Man, in all honesty I've almost regretted the coalition multiple times, a lot of it from the behavior going on with Mhaldor and Targossas constantly snipping at everyone, and having to play peace keeper and/or bad cop. Your attitude when y'all were ordered to be a part of with didn't help, but I'm glad whatever caused you to thaw out a little and retract the stick a bit happened. In all honesty, had Targ left I think they'd have regretted the decision, simply because the Nihilists and their supporters, Mhaldor, and Targ woulda been scrapping; all while the rest of us just picked up shards and sniped off the survivors/had a free pass while they went back to regroup.

Would have probably been more what @Makarios and @Nicola wanted, but that's just purely speculation, particularly since there's been no progress really made on the shrine situations since the partials happened. Really makes me wonder if something happened behind the scenes that's put an all stop, or if this leg was intentionally supposed to last this long. Seems too long to me, but that's just speculation based of previous events.

Our attitude, assuming you're referring mostly to myself and @Farrah, was almost entirely RP'd for our own fun to cause problems, because having everyone get along is so boring! I had fun acting like a douchebag while still helping to fight, and being grumpy about it the entire time haha. Don't take it so personally!

Can verify that Antidas is always a grumpy douche.

Ahmet

Maybe I'm the only goddamn person who feels this way, but if for once in the history of Achaea players could come together and work towards a common goal without griping at each other and taking cheap shots over clans and trying to twist agreements in their favour and throwing temper tantrums when things don't go their way, for one bloody week, I think I'd have more fun than I'd ever had in Achaea.

Armali

Those backstabs though.

Korben

Calyn said:

if Mhaldor's the last standing city on Sapience, you're either getting branded or executed.

Yes, but if that happens the rest of us will already be dead/enslaved to the Black Wave when they defeated the other cities. Now take the opposite scenario: every other city stands but Mhaldor falls. Now the Black Wave has a highly defendable base and an army of surface dwellers in addition to its own army. One city falling, no matter how inimical its faction may be, replaces it with a more powerful and more inimical faction.

Patroklos

Korben said:

Calyn said:

if Mhaldor's the last standing city on Sapience, you're either getting branded or executed.

Yes, but if that happens the rest of us will already be dead/enslaved to the Black Wave when they defeated the other cities. Now take the opposite scenario: every other city stands but Mhaldor falls. Now the Black Wave has a highly defendable base and an army of surface dwellers in addition to its own army. One city falling, no matter how inimical its faction may be, replaces it with a more powerful and more inimical faction.

If...if they take Mhaldor...does that mean @Phaestus throws another mountain on top of it to solve the problem?

Aegoth

Only reason Targ is still in the coalition is because Xaden and Micaelis whined hard about not wanting to get ganked. Straight out of the horse's mouth from extremely xredible Targ sources. Take off those skirts, fellahs

Jinsun

Ahmet said:

Maybe I'm the only goddamn person who feels this way, but if for once in the history of Achaea players could come together and work towards a common goal without griping at each other and taking cheap shots over clans and trying to twist agreements in their favour and throwing temper tantrums when things don't go their way, for one bloody week, I think I'd have more fun than I'd ever had in Achaea.

Yeah and it would bore/annoy some of us to tears. All I hear from the alliance is griping. We don't really fight much over here in the F.U. Club

Ahmet

Yes. One week. No griping. Go ahead and beat the shit out of each other, just shut up about it already. You wanna shout at the opposition? Go ahead. Don't bicker and threaten allies. Don't take advantage of the situation to put your allies down. Seems like a good time to me.

Xaden

Aegoth said:

Only reason Targ is still in the coalition is because Xaden and Micaelis whined hard about not wanting to get ganked. Straight out of the horse's mouth from extremely xredible Targ sources. Take off those skirts, fellahs

Go back two pages and you'll see my take on that.

Your extremely credible source is full of shit.

Puxi

The splinter drop that happened a few hours ago was honestly the most fun I've had during this event so far and it was because there were equal numbers between Coalition vs Mhaldor. I think the more fair the fighting for splinters are, the more everyone would enjoy themselves during this.

Aegoth

Xaden said:

Aegoth said:

Only reason Targ is still in the coalition is because Xaden and Micaelis whined hard about not wanting to get ganked. Straight out of the horse's mouth from extremely xredible Targ sources. Take off those skirts, fellahs

Go back two pages and you'll see my take on that.

Your extremely credible source is full of shit.

My extremely credible source has actual logs of you crying about it, so.... lols. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. You got your big 30-man gank squad there to protect you

Kaylalee

Yay! First death after fighting.  Don't care about these whole he said she said bs. I DO care that someone essentially grabbed me while I was walking home after the shardfall, chomped me and then bragged ass about it.

I'm still learning, you've got at -least- 200 deaths on me, yea... you go on with your bad self... bragging... (shrug) At least it wasn't t-bagging? (please tell me that's not a thing here.)

Ankhareoutef

I like all the infighting and politicking that's happening. Just because ya'll is grumpy ass badgers in game don't mean you're not freaking awesome and super nice outside the game.

separate it out yo