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  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    It's the personal responsibility of each and every aspiring sailor to know what they're getting into prior to leaving port. Just like going to UW. If you just wander out there, caught up in the excitement of it, you're practically putting a target on your own back.

    When it comes to sailing, those who have been doing it a while can generally spot the greenhorns from the seasoned. While that may not always spare them, there was at least a time when they were given a chance, via theatrics and putting a good scare into them, that they could learn from bring unprepared and make a better effort next time.

    Hopefully that practice will carry on. New sailors just need to consider their words and actions carefully in such instances, as that will often ruin such a moment of leniency.


  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA
    Shirszae said:
    Unfortunately, people like @Artanis don't care whether someone's green or not, they just want free sinks
    And then complain readily when it comes back to bite them.
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  • TarausTaraus The Gypsy Wind

    Does the Deckhand perk of increased repair amount only count if the captain in question has the Deckhand aura active (i.e. I have someone in my crew with the Deckhand aura up, but I, myself, am not using it - even though I'm the one ordering repairs, will the ship's crew still get that increased chance)? (I'm assuming that none of the aura effects are actually passive, and require the aura to be activated in order to be useful - looking specifically at the ship XP/morale).

    With Helm spec Smart Orders - does this individual have to be captain when this command is activated?

    Somewhat related - do the other speed perks (faster rowing, chop penalty) work if the properly-activated-aura'd individual is just part of the crew, or do they need to be captain to fully utilize this perk?


  • JonathinJonathin Retired in a hole.
    Kresslack said:

    When it comes to sailing, those who have been doing it a while can generally spot the greenhorns from the seasoned. While that may not always spare them, there was at least a time when they were given a chance, via theatrics and putting a good scare into them, that they could learn from bring unprepared and make a better effort next time.

    Hopefully that practice will carry on. New sailors just need to consider their words and actions carefully in such instances, as that will often ruin such a moment of leniency.
    This. I remember boarding a ton of people and just letting them go in the end because it was more fun to see the looks on their faces (or now in my imagination place) than to get some gold or sink a ship. Heave to and prepare to be boarded. (That, unfortunately, only worked once D:)
    I am retired and log into the forums maybe once every 2 months. It was a good 20 years, live your best lives, friends.
  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena
    Taraus said:

    Does the Deckhand perk of increased repair amount only count if the captain in question has the Deckhand aura active (i.e. I have someone in my crew with the Deckhand aura up, but I, myself, am not using it - even though I'm the one ordering repairs, will the ship's crew still get that increased chance)? (I'm assuming that none of the aura effects are actually passive, and require the aura to be activated in order to be useful - looking specifically at the ship XP/morale).

    Somewhat related - do the other speed perks (faster rowing, chop penalty) work if the properly-activated-aura'd individual is just part of the crew, or do they need to be captain to fully utilize this perk?
    If a war galley can have all 5 auras simultaneously active, with only one captain, I think that means you just need the specialised person aboard, not necessarily captain status, to activate aura.
  • I said I'd come back and post when I knew for sure. Now I know for sure. Swashbucklers do not gain XP from sea monster kills like the rest of the crew does.

    As for seamonsters, I will have more to say about this in a few days after I've done more testing but my initial reaction is I'm very unhappy. Without hullgird the difficulty level is all over the place. I don't know what the devs did exactly in terms of their damage tweak to compensate for the removal of girds, but some monsters seem to now do either virtually no meaningful damage or insane amounts of damage, regardless of their difficulty category. It all feels very random and wonky. I admit, I may be missing something. I tried fighting them with a couple different auras in effect and didn't notice any real meaningful difference... +1 or 2 hull repair per tick means little when you take a burst of 20% hull damage + fire twice in a row. The same can be said for weapon speed. And that was in the kiddie pool. But then the Tapoa critters were even more unpredictable. Overall it was frustrating and not fun, but I understand (or at least hope) that it is a work in progress.

    The kiddie pool monsters are way to hard now, except when they are not. The Tapoa critters are way too easy now, except when they are not. I shudder to image what the bigger zones are like.


  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo
    I definitely hope they will make swashbucklers gain experience from sea monsters. Otherwise people not engaging in plundering would be sitting ducks for those that do.

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA
    Do agree swashies need sea monster experience 
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  • Can we bring back crew chief or a position like it? It lets a second person go around repairing org ships without constantly having to spam each other with the captaincy messages (which you might want in other situations)
  • I agree with Kiet, since the repair changes I used Crew chief a lot, it was useful for that.

  • Just allow MoMA aides to repair city ships. At least while in harbour 
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    Use the crew perms settings available for ships. Can set perms to specific city, house, org ranks as well as aides and individual names.


  • I don't think that'll help, since owners can't repair unless they're captain?

  • AerekAerek East Tennessee, USA
    Right, crew perms don't let you order the crew to repair, is what folks are complaining about. Crew Chief was a specific position that let a crewman do that without being a captain.

    However, everyone has Hull Maintenance, now, so you can just use that if you're not the captain or don't want to take command.
    -- Grounded in but one perspective, what we perceive is an exaggeration of the truth.
  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    Perhaps it could be easily accommodated to allow those with crew perms to order the crew to begin repairs.

    Used to be crew perms would allow you to do a lot of questionable things, iirc, such as undocking the ship or changing direction, but not actually giving orders to row and set sails. Of course all of that was fixed a while back when ships kept getting stuck just out of harbour due to people thinking they could sail them with just crew perms.


  • edited June 2016
    Cellorran said:

    We are currently in the midst of a huge amount of post-change tweaking to bring everything to a stable and enjoyable balance. This, in particular, is very high up on our priority list. Before long you will see a scaling of sea monster difficulty to better jive with the removal of hull girds as well as some changes to how Swashbucklers can gain experience. Stay tuned and please continue to test and provide feedback, it is very helpful and taken into due consideration!
    I've come to some conclusions about the kiddie pool after tonight's hunting. Before I begin there are a couple things to bare in mind. First, I've done this activity more than any other player in the game since it was first implemented, and second, my seastrider crew is all Elite XIII. So what is difficult for me is going to be a nightmare for a newbie with a Lubber I crew.

    * Septacean sea monsters are too strong for the kiddie pool since the gird change. They inflict considerable amounts of physical hull damage. Anchored with max level crew constantly repairing they still drop me into the 60-50's range. I feel their attack power should be reduced.

    * Sheilei on the other hand inflict trivial amounts of damage. They tend to focus on their special attack which damages the sails and leaves the hull alone. When they do hit, which isn't for very much, the damage seems to be divided between sails and hull. They might need to be tweaked up just slightly.

    * Sea Serpents are out of control Gods of Death!!! These things are harder than the pre-change Tapoa monsters used to be. These things are harder than fighting another seastrider with 3 experienced players on it used to be!!! Not only do they inflict waaaayyyy too much physical damage, they light your ship on fire almost constantly! There is also no way to tell just how 'on fire' your ship actually is at any given time. So when they drop you by 10-20%, you might drop another 10-20% almost immediately after... or hardly drop at all. I really could not determine if fire damage is applied uniformly or on an individual timer for each room that is burning... which makes it feel even more random. The rate at which they hit you with fire is also all over the place. Sometimes they machine-gun your ship with incendiary attacks in rapid succession, other times they seem to hardly bother. These things drive me into 30's in terms of hull strength. I shield, repair fully, and then they drive me into the 40's before they finally die. If you have even the slightest bit of lag or your connection rips even briefly, you are as good as sunk. 

    * Seamonster trophies seem to decay super fast now. I was horrified that I started getting messages that I was losing them after only an hour and a half of real time! That is seriously unacceptable. These things are supposed to last 1 game month. If you leave them on deck you won't even notice how many decayed. The devs already reduced the reward from 7k to 5k so this is a really crummy way to reduce the value further. Skye of the MG did suggest a possible reason for this and I'll copy her message here:

    "there's actually a 'decay tick', it hits on the 1st and 13th of every Achaean month. So you see a lot of things that you only just purchased lose a month after it hits the 13th or the 1st. It's a bit random which tick causes the decay timer to go down."

    That being said, this feels new. I can remember having one or two decay on me every once in awhile... but not more than one at a time! It was in fact the 13th when it happened though. Perhaps the solution is to extend the life of the trophies to two months like fish? I admit, I am paying closer attention to the small details then I ever have before so maybe this was secretly happening all along and I just didn't notice because I didn't pick up my trophies until I was ready to sell them...

    Before anyone tries to argue that "seamonsters should be a challenge", keep in mind that these things now pay only 5k each and this is the kiddie pool we are talking about. Also keep in mind that kiddie pool monsters are on a 20 minute respawn timer. So the income this activity generates is fixed on the low end of the viability spectrum, and must be compared with 10k Tapoa, which might require more moving around and/or player crew, but also pays well enough to justify it without the extra delay tacked on. 

    I'll take a closer look at the Tapoa monsters as soon as I have another night I can devote.
  • Aerek, again, hits it on the nose. None of the seamonsters are designed to be fought at anchor, all are much more unpleasant when they're allowed to get adjacent to you. This is an intentional design feature.
  • Nicola said:
    Aerek, again, hits it on the nose. None of the seamonsters are designed to be fought at anchor, all are much more unpleasant when they're allowed to get adjacent to you. This is an intentional design feature.
    Then that is a bad design feature when we are talking about the kiddie pool. The level one zones are too small to accommodate the maneuvers of large ships. Before the hullgird change, it was not unusual to see two or three ships in a level one zone taking turns killing the monsters. 

    I absolutely agree that the larger monsters require moving around but it is also worth remembering that the larger monsters pay far better. You have already reduced the value of this activity multiple times. First you changed it from 10 minute respawn to 20 minute respawn. Then you reduced the value from 7k to 5k. Then you apparently made trophies decay too fast to ensure that long killing sprees would be subtly undercut. Now you have added in a movement requirement which tacks on additional time and effort and therefore diminishes returns still further and just made the whole activity (in the level one zones anyway) a horrendous experience.

    The intention here is clear. You don't want people profiting from the zones. Its not about risk, its about economics. So here is my economic point of view - 

    Seafaring sucks right now. Yes, the recent changes are GOOD. I like almost all of them. Including the removal of hullgird from ship to ship combat. You hit a home run. But it doesn't matter if nobody leaves port and right now there is no reason to leave port.

    Ships are only out on the seas regularly for one or three reasons: Trades, fishing and seamonstering. Decent trades have become so rare they are virtually unheard of and not worth the price of ship maintenance in-between. Fishing is a fixed minimum wage in a world where multi-classing has driven up prices ten to twenty fold since it was first implemented. As for seamonstering, if you make the newbie zones into an experience on par with the higher level zones, nobody is going to do them for any length of time. Nobody does the bigger zones for any length of time because it is an enormous investment of time, energy and risk when you could just bash and earn far more. They are at best an occasional novelty. 

    You can't reduce seamonstering of lower level areas to a mere novelty, never have any good trades, and expect people to dump tremendous sums of money, gold and time into a system that does not provide adequate rewards. And if ships are never on the water, who exactly are the pirates going to plunder?

    I'm going to be honest with you. No drama. I'm at the point where I'm about ready to put my ships into permanent storage and call it quits, which I'm sure will make quite a few people happy. Before the hullgird change I was making far less per real day than a dragon who spends even a fraction of the time bashing, which is an activity I absolutely loathe. The seas of Achaea are the only part of the game I've managed to connect with but with no rewards being offered... they are not worth the price of admission. Right now they present the illusion of an activity, rather than actual activity.
  • edited June 2016
    The tier one zones are the exact same size as all the others. Only the tier one spawn cooldown was increased, and only the tier one payout was lowered, all others were increased.

    Nothing has changed with the trophies since their implementation, if they're not behaving as they should then we will look into it, they should at minimum last the entire month.

    As was said in the announce post where hullgird was removed, we are watching the damages vs ships and seamonsters and once we have a clear picture of things we will adjust if necessary.
  • I think the point Anaria was trying to get across is that there is little incentive to use ships (aside from the cool part or the fun involved, of course, which she pointed out was going in a good direction).

    Ships are expensive. Seafaring is a skill that must be learned. Ship upkeep is expensive. It is dangerous to be sailing. Being sank (sunk?) Is expensive. It takes a long time to earn gold or to sail to an island to bash (compared to main land).

    The rewards for being on a ship just don't justify the investment. Why go sea monster killing to make less gold per hour than I can bash? 

  • The rewards can definitely use some boosting, in my opinion. That said, I dont' believe the drop-anchor-and-go-afk method needs protecting/rewarding.
  • edited June 2016
    Nicola said:
    The tier one zones are the exact same size as all the others. Only the tier one spawn cooldown was increased, and only the tier one payout was lowered, all others were increased.

    Nothing has changed with the trophies since their implementation, if they're not behaving as they should then we will look into it, they should at minimum last the entire month.

    As was said in the announce post where hullgird was removed, we are watching the damages vs ships and seamonsters and once we have a clear picture of things we will adjust if necessary.
    Okay, I accept the wait and see as a fair response, but please keep in mind that if you leave level one monsters in a condition where movement is absolutely required to kill them safely, you are effectively reducing their value once again by increasing the time it takes to kill them. Movement breaks aiming trance and the level one zones are very small and confined. Put bluntly, they are not worth that level of effort.
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo
    edited June 2016
    I still find the gold to not be worth it at all if I have to split it. Which is why I don't really hunt any of the end-level seamonsters myself. 

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • Some people like to hunt to get gold, some people prefer to craft and some prefer to trade. sea monster hunting is just another alternative for people to take if that is what they enjoy doing.

    Should sea monster gold be on par with hunting? Should crafted items (the main source of income for a lot of players) prices be scaled up to match hunting gains? 
  • You can't actually make crafted items sell for more gold, though. You can, however, buff gold given straight from in-game activities that involve no trading.
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