No I mean the environment. They spawn in polar and mountain but not tundra.
Valley Hills Desert Mountains Tundra Polar
Carbon x x x
Iron ore x x x x
Raw obsidian x x
Silver ore x x x
Gold ore x x x
Platinum ore x x x
Raw gems x x x
Coal x x x
Raw bone x x x
Impure ice x x
Raw stone x x
No I mean the environment. They spawn in polar and mountain but not tundra.
Valley Hills Desert Mountains Tundra Polar
Carbon x x x
Iron ore x x x x
Raw obsidian x x
Silver ore x x x
Gold ore x x x
Platinum ore x x x
Raw gems x x x
Coal x x x
Raw bone x x x
Impure ice x x
Raw stone x x
Ah yes, good question. There is quite a bit of ice in the tundra, to be sure, but the ice formed from precipitation is much different from the elemental ice found deep within the frozen earth. You'll notice that elemental ice has a slight blueish tint to it. Scholars differ in opinion on the origin behind this tint, but most agree that it is magical in nature, or rather was formed through magical means either by Agatheis when He was first exploring the mysteries behind the elements, matter, and His powers or by some other world wide event.
It is only found in the mountains and the fissure because of the depth at which this ice dwells. When the mountains erupted from the earth the deeper depths at which this ice is found were brought closer to the surface. The polar environment in which this elemental ice is found is split by a giant fissure, allowing access to the depths where the ice can be found.
Some speculate that elemental ice is actually found in all regions and environments (yes, even the desert) but is buried so deep that any mining endeavor to extract it would be near impossible and certainly unprofitable.
This is such a blatant devaluation of prices and obviously the work of one person. People used to do this to credits except there's now this clause for the credit market:
You can only have one batch of credits for sale at a time, if you change the price, it will nullify your previous sale offer and create a new one at the new price.
I can see people maybe undercutting by one or two gold, but this is ridiculous. You shouldn't be able to sell more than 2 or 3 batches of the same commodity at different prices.
Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE change the way that gold is delivered from commodity sales in the Delos market?
PLEASE
I am constantly juggling 50+ letters, sometimes from people buy only 1 or 2 commodities at a time. Just let it all be deposited into a bank, perhaps the Delos bank exclusively or something.
@Skye , I tried to explain this to a character in game - (was that you?), and I can post that discussion on public if that helps matters, but here are three quick, concise reasons (I had detailed examples, but decided against posting those):
1) A few large orders makes it easier for people to manipulate the market.
2) Small order sizes means that everyone gets to sell some stuff.
2) is largely incorrect when it's only (or mostly) one person doing those multiple prices. The only thing that's happening is de-valuing the price of the commodity. Stone is acting much the same way at the moment.
I bet the above wouldn't happen if a name was attached to any commodities sold, though that unfortunately defeats the purpose. While the idea of manipulating the market with a few well-priced batches of commodities is intriguing, I find it less so in the face of the current de-valuing that is clearly happening and unlikely to stop.
Edit: To clarify, no one is going to be posting commodities in those little groups. Everyone will always want to sell now, now, now because people are impatient. Instead they'll just sell for the cheapest, even if it means they lose money. This is why it is not a very advisable tactic, for economic stability, and for all involved.
So with that, I am for adding in the similarity of the credit market, in which you can only have a few groups of one type of commodity up at varying prices - a max of three sounds fair. Unless there's a better solution not thought of yet.
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Yes. Allllll for making it so you can only have one batch of one kind of comm up like the credit market. These cute 'little orders' have devalued the market immensely and will only get worse with time. It'd be fine if you posted one group at a time, but when you then post ten more and knock the price of a comm down by 20 gold... it ruins the economy. Period.
I'm on the other side of that gold-delivery request. I really prefer the letters, because the way I track how much gold I've spent on upkeep and wages is by considering it spent as soon as I deposit it in the bank. Having gold from the commodity market go straight to the bank would create a serious headache for me, and I'd likely just have to stop selling in Delos in order to keep my numbers accurate.
Plus, putting the gold in the bank creates a tax on all sales. I don't understand why people are begging for that. Myself as an example, I've sold 11170727 gold worth of commodities. If that went into the Delos bank I would've spent nearly a quarter of a million gold on bank fees just to get the gold.
It really isn't hard to get gold out of any number of letters. If you still had to target by item number I would agree that it's a hassle, but you don't. You can just GET GOLD FROM LETTER#1 and repeat the action until you reach the end of the list. As much as I've enjoyed walking around picking up letters full of gold because people didn't do that before discarding, emptying letters this way is VERY easy.
probably not worth the effort to code in, but a CONFIG option sounds perfect for this
Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!" Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh." Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
It is a little thing but.. any chance of putting the PROSPECT information in MINES SHOW?
What I mean by this is, when I am physically present to prospect my own mine I see how much of the lode has been mined out. It would be nice if this information was visible when I look at a specific mine with mines show so that I can figure out at what point I should go there and CLAIM STORAGE.
We could also use more iron drops, between its use for weapons, armor, seafaring, and mines. I'm reluctant to use it for anything but the latter at the moment, due to how seldom it seems to drop - and I'm reluctant to buy it at market prices because demand has been steadily outstripping supply, and people (generally) aren't stupid.
(Blades of Valour): He just has that Synbios Swagger enough said. (Blades of Valour): Draekar says: "Synbios if sunbeams sparkle off that I'll kill you where you stand."
(Party) Halos says, "Disbar?" (Party) Draekar says, "You know here we have disbar." (Party) Draekar says, "And over there we have datbar."
Clearly, Sarevok is behind all these iron shortages, so that he can start another inter-city bloodbath and become the new Lord of Murder from all the killing.
The reference is a clue as to why I have not been present in a while. Well, that, and my almost-finished thesis. Only a few days more to print out the documents and participate in the dreaded 'defense'.
Clearly, Sarevok is behind all these iron shortages, so that he can start another inter-city bloodbath and become the new Lord of Murder from all the killing.
The reference is a clue as to why I have not been present in a while. Well, that, and my almost-finished thesis. Only a few days more to print out the documents and participate in the dreaded 'defense'.
Binky had interesting ideas with his iron shortage, but flawed. For example, putting impurities into the iron? Sounds like the lame idea of some yes-man underling who didn't know when to quit. No doubt he was flogged. But speaking of a good flog, it brings to mind poor Auntie Sara. She too had a master plan to take over Sapience, though hers was considerably less dramatic and involved the use of some tasty recipes for turnip pie and some mind-altering herbs that Auntie Sara had bought from a rather disreputable-looking Eleusian. Do you think she'd listen? You can trust we forestals about as hard as you can newbiekick us (which isn't a whole lot of damage, even if you hit!) if you're one of those dirty city-dwellers... and even then it's not a bad idea to watch out in case the Blackthorn General is having a bad day. But alas, Auntie Sara just cackled in her most Mhaldorian-like way and was determined to carry on with her plan to snap-spam Sapience in aeon. Alas, she was completely undone by an over-the-top exposition she gave to a Luminai spy she had captured... and who subsequently evaded out, of course, before she could have him killed. Not killrooming properly is what villains do, I understand, when they're not busy defiling iron mines (or really just stealing them for themselves). Of course, they say that the Cyrenian Imperiate had already had a bit of Auntie's pie and enjoyed it immensely. Rather than become hypnotised, he just became rather pleasantly obsessed with silken undergarments (not an uncommon obsession in Cyrene). This, of course, led to the first Great Underwear Shortage (very uncommon in Cyrene). It's also known as the Three-Year Wedgie Drought, but that's another story entirely. </Jan>
- (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place." - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely." - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")." - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish." - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
Okay seriously, all joking aside, I'm getting a little fed up with this. Its frustrating to spend hours prospecting and see nothing but:
You are enough of a prospector to realise that iron lodes never spawn and there is no point looking for one.
This one commodity is used for too many things. It is the Spice Melange of Achaea, and she who controls it, controls the universe! The price of iron on the com market hasn't budged all week and access to iron directly affects the profitability of mining ANY other com.
At these prices its almost better to just let my ships weapons decay and buy new ones rather than maintain them. I have no problem what so ever finding vacant gold, silver, carbon and obsidian lodes. But if you want iron you better be ready to Kung Fu fight the whole planet for it...
I respectfully disagree. I prospect as I move through each mining camp area and I've seen the number of iron spawns (all taken, of course).
The total lack of supply on the market is pretty clear evidence the rate is not high enough. Every single person who mines needs iron, in addition to people who own ships, armour crafters, city improvements, the list goes on and on. If the spawn rate was just changed (I saw no announcement to make me think it was) then maybe I'd say give it a few more days and look at the market again.
30K for 230 iron to start a large mine - the only viable kind of mine really - is a massive chunk out of the profits of any other com. It also makes for far fewer people willing to build mines on small lodes, which means that quite a few of those small lodes are a waste of space that nobody wants to pay the bill to clean up.
I agree there should be some reason why the average player would want gold, silver and platinum...but that is very hard to do. I'd hate to see those commodities suddenly become important for totally artificial or illogical reasons.
A lot of cities have citizens mining iron that will never see the market because they sell direct back to the city. There are also hoarders who keep a large supply of stock in spare and only release controlled quantities to the market to ensure stable prices. I took about a week off from mining/prospecting when I was making the push to dragon and I can definitely say that the number of iron mines I see (taken or not) looks more than before.
At one point you would only see a few iron mines scattered around and you wouldn't expect another relode until those mines were all but gone. Now you can still find iron reloding without those mines getting depleted. I don't disagree that more iron would be good because everyone needs it, but it's also these limits that help maintain prices instead of a total market collapse. Bearing in mind that mining even with your own comms isn't cheap. I also feel like I have to point out that just like any other lode, there's an element of luck in it as well. You also need to develop good relations with other miners as a rogue otherwise nobody will tell you shit.
We just had an iron spawn with a ton of iron mines still standing. And I wouldn't have known about it if mining friends didn't tell me.
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Valley Hills Desert Mountains Tundra Polar Carbon x x x Iron ore x x x x Raw obsidian x x Silver ore x x x Gold ore x x x Platinum ore x x x Raw gems x x x Coal x x x Raw bone x x x Impure ice x x Raw stone x x
It is only found in the mountains and the fissure because of the depth at which this ice dwells. When the mountains erupted from the earth the deeper depths at which this ice is found were brought closer to the surface. The polar environment in which this elemental ice is found is split by a giant fissure, allowing access to the depths where the ice can be found.
Some speculate that elemental ice is actually found in all regions and environments (yes, even the desert) but is buried so deep that any mining endeavor to extract it would be near impossible and certainly unprofitable.
This is such a blatant devaluation of prices and obviously the work of one person. People used to do this to credits except there's now this clause for the credit market:
I can see people maybe undercutting by one or two gold, but this is ridiculous. You shouldn't be able to sell more than 2 or 3 batches of the same commodity at different prices.
PLEASE
I am constantly juggling 50+ letters, sometimes from people buy only 1 or 2 commodities at a time. Just let it all be deposited into a bank, perhaps the Delos bank exclusively or something.
1) A few large orders makes it easier for people to manipulate the market.
2) Small order sizes means that everyone gets to sell some stuff.
3) No pricing model is perfect.
I bet the above wouldn't happen if a name was attached to any commodities sold, though that unfortunately defeats the purpose. While the idea of manipulating the market with a few well-priced batches of commodities is intriguing, I find it less so in the face of the current de-valuing that is clearly happening and unlikely to stop.
Edit: To clarify, no one is going to be posting commodities in those little groups. Everyone will always want to sell now, now, now because people are impatient. Instead they'll just sell for the cheapest, even if it means they lose money. This is why it is not a very advisable tactic, for economic stability, and for all involved.
So with that, I am for adding in the similarity of the credit market, in which you can only have a few groups of one type of commodity up at varying prices - a max of three sounds fair. Unless there's a better solution not thought of yet.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
And agree with @Grandue, the gold goes to Delos bank, details goes as a message.
Plus, putting the gold in the bank creates a tax on all sales. I don't understand why people are begging for that. Myself as an example, I've sold 11170727 gold worth of commodities. If that went into the Delos bank I would've spent nearly a quarter of a million gold on bank fees just to get the gold.
It really isn't hard to get gold out of any number of letters. If you still had to target by item number I would agree that it's a hassle, but you don't. You can just GET GOLD FROM LETTER#1 and repeat the action until you reach the end of the list. As much as I've enjoyed walking around picking up letters full of gold because people didn't do that before discarding, emptying letters this way is VERY easy.
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
What I mean by this is, when I am physically present to prospect my own mine I see how much of the lode has been mined out. It would be nice if this information was visible when I look at a specific mine with mines show so that I can figure out at what point I should go there and CLAIM STORAGE.
Besides that, I want to be Iron Man.
Maybe the alchemists should start working on a way to turn gold into iron...
(Blades of Valour): Draekar says: "Synbios if sunbeams sparkle off that I'll kill you where you stand."
(Party) Halos says, "Disbar?"
(Party) Draekar says, "You know here we have disbar."
(Party) Draekar says, "And over there we have datbar."
The reference is a clue as to why I have not been present in a while. Well, that, and my almost-finished thesis. Only a few days more to print out the documents and participate in the dreaded 'defense'.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
BINKY?! You had best not be addressing me, gnome.
You are enough of a prospector to realise that iron lodes never spawn and there is no point looking for one.
This one commodity is used for too many things. It is the Spice Melange of Achaea, and she who controls it, controls the universe! The price of iron on the com market hasn't budged all week and access to iron directly affects the profitability of mining ANY other com.
At these prices its almost better to just let my ships weapons decay and buy new ones rather than maintain them. I have no problem what so ever finding vacant gold, silver, carbon and obsidian lodes. But if you want iron you better be ready to Kung Fu fight the whole planet for it...
'more iron' is nice, but I think more demand/outlets for the so-called 'precious metal'/rare lodes would be even nicer.
The total lack of supply on the market is pretty clear evidence the rate is not high enough. Every single person who mines needs iron, in addition to people who own ships, armour crafters, city improvements, the list goes on and on. If the spawn rate was just changed (I saw no announcement to make me think it was) then maybe I'd say give it a few more days and look at the market again.
30K for 230 iron to start a large mine - the only viable kind of mine really - is a massive chunk out of the profits of any other com. It also makes for far fewer people willing to build mines on small lodes, which means that quite a few of those small lodes are a waste of space that nobody wants to pay the bill to clean up.
I agree there should be some reason why the average player would want gold, silver and platinum...but that is very hard to do. I'd hate to see those commodities suddenly become important for totally artificial or illogical reasons.
At one point you would only see a few iron mines scattered around and you wouldn't expect another relode until those mines were all but gone. Now you can still find iron reloding without those mines getting depleted. I don't disagree that more iron would be good because everyone needs it, but it's also these limits that help maintain prices instead of a total market collapse. Bearing in mind that mining even with your own comms isn't cheap. I also feel like I have to point out that just like any other lode, there's an element of luck in it as well. You also need to develop good relations with other miners as a rogue otherwise nobody will tell you shit.
We just had an iron spawn with a ton of iron mines still standing. And I wouldn't have known about it if mining friends didn't tell me.