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  • SaevaSaeva
    Also, not sure why it maters. Honestly. It doesn't. You weren't a part of that raid and it had nothing to do with you. :)


  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, Florida
    Just to add in my own list:

    Kard
    Carmell
    Szareine
    Garis
    Eigen
    Aelios
    Siduri
    Kellonius
    Morthif
    Havyn
    Iskla
    Halos
    Khalaz
    Lace
    Daeir
    Rohai
    Sothantos
    Daitya
    Tesha
    Reonna
    You have currently used 20 enemy slots of your 20 maximum.

    I think Lace stepped out. Not sure on others.
    And I love too                                                                          Be still, my indelible friend
    That love soon might end                                                         You are unbreaking
    And be known in its aching                                                      Though quaking
    Shown in this shaking                                                             Though crazy
    Lately of my wasteland, baby                                                 That's just wasteland, baby
  • SaevaSaeva
    Also, if we want to talk about numbers:
    Mycen has disarmed a hostile tank. Ast, Hasar, Herose, Kisharo, Kitiara, Kuy, Locki, Saeva, Tasuu, Vadimuses, and Vum assisted in the defence.
    vs.
    Targossians 
    who raided include Tibitha, Khalaz, Quisse, Morthif, Carmell, Aelios, Alaskar, Halos, Rohai, Ruca, Aldair, Achilles, Aodfionn, Invictus, Eigen, Shunsui, and 
     Kard.

    But it doesn't matter. Because in the end... it boils down to a little bit of luck, some butt clinching hoping that someone doesn't do something to royally obliterate you (ally or foe), some tactics and some hope for coordinated targeting. The 'lopsided' is subjective. Always.


  • JarrodJarrod
    edited February 2015
    Lots of "It's ok because they did it", which has always been a laughable excuse.

    The joke is that someone who talks about how important balanced raids are when they join huge stomp groups in either direction.

    To clarify: I don't care how many you raid with. I don't care what strategies you use or anything like that. I might have an opinion on them but you're going to raid how you raid and it's going to work out. It wasn't a comment on Mhaldorians or their raids. It was a comment on the hilarity of the person in this thread joining in a raid like that after all the stuff he's spouted throughout.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front

    12.3.6 Targossas, the Dawnspear
                             [CITY LEADERS]
                          Dawnlord: Aldair
                            Patron: Aurora and Deucalion
                          Lumarchs: Aldair, Halos, Silas, Aelios, and Daeir
                        Ambassador: Rohai
                   Minister of War: Tesha
              Minister of Security: Antidas
                         Treasurer: Yen
                           Steward: Baldazar
                 Minister of Trade: Siduri
                        Chancellor: Morthif
      Minister of Cultural Affairs: Aodfionn
           Minister of Development: Vithincus
      Minister of Maritime Affairs: Greys
                 [DENIZENS THAT CAN MAKE YOU A CITIZEN]
                            Cazin - ASK CAZIN JOIN TARGOSSAS
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    You tell @Aelios, "// How is the raid going over there? I was thinking of joining, but we have a lot."

    Aelios tells you, "// Bring it on!"

    You tell Aelios, "// Awesome, thanks!"

    You tell Mycen, "Party invite?"


  • TahquilTahquil
    Back on track and off with the slander?
  • MeradorMerador
    Herenicus said:

    12.3.6 Targossas, the Dawnspear
                             [CITY LEADERS]
                          Dawnlord: Aldair
                            Patron: Aurora and Deucalion
                          Lumarchs: Aldair, Halos, Silas, Aelios, and Daeir
                        Ambassador: Rohai
                   Minister of War: Tesha
              Minister of Security: Antidas
                         Treasurer: Yen
                           Steward: Baldazar
                 Minister of Trade: Siduri
                        Chancellor: Morthif
      Minister of Cultural Affairs: Aodfionn
           Minister of Development: Vithincus
      Minister of Maritime Affairs: Greys
                 [DENIZENS THAT CAN MAKE YOU A CITIZEN]
                            Cazin - ASK CAZIN JOIN TARGOSSAS
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    You tell @Aelios, "// How is the raid going over there? I was thinking of joining, but we have a lot."

    Aelios tells you, "// Bring it on!"

    You tell Aelios, "// Awesome, thanks!"

    You tell Mycen, "Party invite?"


    Just so you know, Aelios is the kind of person who doesn't whine/object to raids. You'd be far better off asking their non-coms who felt forced into raid defence than somebody who has said on multiple occasions that they enjoy it. I imagine your request would have had a different response had you asked somebody like Carmell, who sometimes goes on ship/QQs to avoid defending.
  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    I appreciate your decision to contribute to the thread, @Merador.

    I checked with Aelios after watching the Mhaldorian team get wiped. I don't know Aelios well, but I figured as a city leader I could trust him to give a fair read of player enjoyment in his electronic tribe and I figured it was better than not asking at all. Courtesy only takes a few seconds. 
  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    edited February 2015
    Tahquil said:
    Back on track and off with the slander?
    I'm not sure; they may want to address reports of suspiciously lucrative and consistent fishing revenue banked by certain anti-hypocrisy crusaders in this thread.

    edit: but we digress 
  • JarrodJarrod
    edited February 2015
    Herenicus said:
    Tahquil said:
    Back on track and off with the slander?
    I'm not sure; they may want to address reports of suspiciously lucrative and consistent fishing revenue banked by certain anti-hypocrisy crusaders in this thread.

    edit: but we digress 
    If you want to call me an auto-fisher with flowery words because Zulah killed me once, hop on a ship and let me know how it goes when you're praying.

    You're being about as subtle as Jhui was when he got banned.

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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    Actually, @Taraus called you an autofisher. I just believed her and I feel bad if she's forced to lie for you.
  • JarrodJarrod
    Gonna keep spreading lies or going to hop on a ship when you think I am?
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    Wait, what was the lie? That she admitted you autofish or that you autofish at all?
  • JarrodJarrod
    That I'm auto-fishing.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    The truth will out, but I agree we've digressed far enough having lobbed our respective grenades. 
  • JarrodJarrod
    Me pointing out that you participate in exactly what you condemn based on logs.

    You claiming I auto-fish (breaking game rules) without proof.

    Right.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    I admit to only possessing corroborating eyewitness testimony. You might not even bank much money fishing at all, and boy would my face be red were that the case. 
  • NimNim
    no no no, Herenicus, you were doing fine, you were courteous and receptive to courtesy, and now this hamfisted seque into mudslinging, it won't do :c
  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    The courtesy is back on! 
  • SaevaSaeva
    Jarrod said:
    Lots of "It's ok because they did it", which has always been a laughable excuse.

    The joke is that someone who talks about how important balanced raids are when they join huge stomp groups in either direction.

    To clarify: I don't care how many you raid with. I don't care what strategies you use or anything like that. I might have an opinion on them but you're going to raid how you raid and it's going to work out. It wasn't a comment on Mhaldorians or their raids. It was a comment on the hilarity of the person in this thread joining in a raid like that after all the stuff he's spouted throughout.
    Saying it's okay because they did it would mean that we went in there with actual lopsided numbers. We didn't. Not yesterday. I know you're -really- having a good time rubbing Herenicus wrong, but I'm still not  particularly amused at your attempt to say we did something wrong yesterday. I was a little proud that we did so well with -our- small numbers versus -their- huge numbers (Hasar wasn't even there till the end, might I add, had no leadership and yet while we took a while to muster up our forces, we did it anyway), and glad to see a pretty evenly fought fight later on in the day. Stop trying to make Mhaldor some monster that it's not always. (Yes, I'm well aware that each city has it's monstery days.)


  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    Forgive them, Saeva. As Twain said, "There is nothing so annoying as a good example."

  • JulesJules
    Nim said:
    no no no, Herenicus, you were doing fine, you were courteous and receptive to courtesy, and now this hamfisted seque into mudslinging, it won't do :c
    Herenicus said:
    The courtesy is back on! 

    He can't help it, he said it's on a 15 minute timer, like one of those timed car washes!  Got to get it hardwired into the ON pos or he's going to take all our quarters.  (okay that was probably naughty of me, but I couldn't resist.  Please continue with the regularly scheduled argument, where inexplicably, and as usual, I mostly agree with Herenicus, except for the parts about how Jarrod is a dirty autofisher or something.  Also, 40 man raids, how do you fit all those text players on that little soccer field across from the strip mall?)
  • JarrodJarrod
    Saeva said:
    Jarrod said:
    Lots of "It's ok because they did it", which has always been a laughable excuse.

    The joke is that someone who talks about how important balanced raids are when they join huge stomp groups in either direction.

    To clarify: I don't care how many you raid with. I don't care what strategies you use or anything like that. I might have an opinion on them but you're going to raid how you raid and it's going to work out. It wasn't a comment on Mhaldorians or their raids. It was a comment on the hilarity of the person in this thread joining in a raid like that after all the stuff he's spouted throughout.
    Saying it's okay because they did it would mean that we went in there with actual lopsided numbers. We didn't. Not yesterday. I know you're -really- having a good time rubbing Herenicus wrong, but I'm still not  particularly amused at your attempt to say we did something wrong yesterday. I was a little proud that we did so well with -our- small numbers versus -their- huge numbers (Hasar wasn't even there till the end, might I add, had no leadership and yet while we took a while to muster up our forces, we did it anyway), and glad to see a pretty evenly fought fight later on in the day. Stop trying to make Mhaldor some monster that it's not always. (Yes, I'm well aware that each city has it's monstery days.)
    You do realize in the post you quoted I didn't say you were wrong, right? I said that's a dumb excuse (which you used, and it is), not that either side did anything wrong.

    I do not care how you raid. Targossas had a lopsided raid vs you, you had a less lopsided (but still lopsided if you actually look at names) raid in return. Neither side was wrong, both were raiding how they wanted to raid.

    Good on both groups for instigating conflict and going on the offensive. Purely defending for any faction is boring.
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    Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."

  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    I would ask everyone on the grand jury to keep mum on the foregoing until our girls and boys down at the crime lab have finished investigating these he-said-she-he-he-said allegations. 
  • SilasSilas
    Just for reference, my own angel sense of both parties last night (give or take a couple, including Hasar and possibly Xer, if he logged in before Targ got wiped):

    You bid your guardian angel to seek out the lifeforce of Melodie Le'Murzen, Herald of the Insidium.
    Your guardian angel senses Melodie Le'Murzen, Herald of the Insidium at Vestibule of Evil, on a health of 
    5110 and a mana of 7087. (Mhaldor (Cathedral)) 19191
    She is with Orzaansyn.
    She is with Mycen.
    She is with Locki.
    She is with Vum.
    She is with Saeva.
    She is with Herose.
    She is with Tasuu.
    She is with Titonus.
    She is with Vadimuses.
    She is with Oren.

    You bid your guardian angel to seek out the lifeforce of Lord Aelios Azon, Guardian of Blades.
    Your guardian angel senses Lord Aelios Azon, Guardian of Blades at A divided aisle, on a health of 6145 
    and a mana of 4457.
    He is with Alaskar.
    He is with Morthif.
    He is with Carmell.
    He is with Avianca.
    He is with Aodfionn.
    He is with Quisse.
    He is with Rohai.
    He is with Ruca.
    He is with Aldair.
    He is with Shunsui.
    He is with Tibitha.
    He is with Khalaz.
    He is with Invictus.

    I'm not sure when these extra people joined to fill up your enemy list (maybe in the retaliatory raid when Targossas was defending?), but let's not be disingenuous here.

    Mhaldor rolling 20-deep in Targossas is not a new thing, and is also not something to take issue with. People will raid as they see fit, and that's absolutely fine. Some people prefer one type of raid, others prefer a different type. Some people don't feel confident enough to raid with smaller numbers, which is again fine and understandable.

    The deck is already stacked in favour of defenders. Stacking it further against the aggressors will only lead to bigger and bigger raids, which are the ones where raiders are more likely to outstay their welcome, because they feel like they need to achieve something to justify the number of people they're bringing along.

    This seems contrary to what you want to achieve, since we've all been through this in the past, and probably would not want to return to it.

  • BluefBluef Delos
    edited February 2015
    Mid-raid (and humorously spaced between numerous deathsights ala Aelios) I saw this:
    Silas says, "Freshly squeezed venoms at Targossian Toxins, northwest of the  riverside marketplace on Acacia Isle."

    This thread is now cleared to derail into auto-marketing. Go.

  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    Silas said:
    Some people prefer one type of raid, others prefer a different type. Some people don't feel confident enough to raid with smaller numbers, which is again fine and understandable.

    The deck is already stacked in favour of defenders. Stacking it further against the aggressors will only lead to bigger and bigger raids, which are the ones where raiders are more likely to outstay their welcome, because they feel like they need to achieve something to justify the number of people they're bringing along.

    This seems contrary to what you want to achieve, since we've all been through this in the past, and probably would not want to return to it.
    Thank you for joining the conversation, Silas. Extending the current (and, I think, popular) treatment of XP for sanctioned raids to organizational property, generally, would relieve the aggressing party of having to pause and consider the mutual enjoyment of all parties before diving into organizational conflict. If we can turn even lopsided, hours-long raids into a modest XP bonanza for the defense, I don't see the harm. Some of the other proposals go further and may be unnecessary to produce the desired effect of making defense a joy, no matter the odds or schedule the raiders choose to set for themselves. 
  • MishgulMishgul Trondheim, Norway
    I feel like you are assuming that people want to be fair

    -

    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

    As drawn by Shayde
    hic locus est ubi mors gaudet succurrere vitae
  • TriakTriak
    Did Herenicus sell his account to someone?  I feel like I'm reading Laorir posts circa 2007.
  • HerenicusHerenicus The Western Front
    Triak said:
    Did Herenicus sell his account to someone?  I feel like I'm reading Laorir posts circa 2007.
    Nah, this moralizing streak goes way back. Nobody's perfect.  
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