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XP Loss/Enemy Territory
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As far as the OP, I think there are several things that need to be addressed:
- Lack of risks or consequences for dragons to initiate
- Big risks for nondragons to participate, on either side
- I swear I had a third but Reba distracted me
You don't really want to chase people completely away from being aggressors in combat, but you do want conflict to be meaningful or enjoyable enough that defenders look forward to defending, consistently.
You also don't want to demolish the people who just occasionally dip their toes into PvP. You want to encourage them, welcome new participants into this aspect of Achaea, try to draw them in. Make it enjoyable. I'm reminded of when Nemutaur solo-baited at a Darkenwood Twilight shrine. Hashan demolished him by sheer numbers and had some non-typical names in the defense force, but he kept coming, over and over and over and over and over. After like an hour and a half, he had built up a list of Hashani but probably not Darkwalkers to hunt down afterwards. That's just not fun for anyone except the guy that stands to lose absolutely nothing and gain a ganking list at the conclusion, and punishes the ones that were stepping outside their square for a little bit to defend.
And I really don't believe the "hey I don't wanna reveal my alt but I really enjoyed that Ashtan raid last night, they should faceroll us more often!" forum accounts should be used as proof of entertainment value of facerolling people. People who have actually put up with that stuff for years actually do have some credibility in their thoughts and opinions, you know?
Edit: Basically make it an icon so I don't have to stand on Nish and basically yawn myself to death. Unless we find a phased icon of course.
Album of Bluef during her time in Achaea
I had one or two interesting conversations as a result, explaining that this was an Order thing and if Lotus got involved it would soon devolve to Ashtan vs Hashan which nobody on either side really wants to see happen.
Twilight's order hasn't reraised any shrines that I've found except that one in Darkenwood that you guys defended and another one in Mhojave. They obviously don't care too much about a large shrine network and they can always raise that shrine later.
The only thing I took from you is time. In the end I probably gave you more exp (as a group) than I got from killing everyone (didn't even get around to killing you and I won't since too much time has passed).
Either way, I gave a clear message. Defend shrines if you're not in the Order and I'll seek to retaliate.
edit: a/n
Anwyays, yeah, I'm all for consequences for your actions, but the scale here is totally whopsided. The aggressors, who should face more consequences since there, you know, aggressing, don't actually have to face any consequences because they're of a skill level and have the resources to not have to care about it. The people who defend the aggressors have the aggressor's objective, XP, potential subsequent ganking, time they weren't planning to commit to this, time to bash corpses to refill the font/reraise shrines, etc etc to lose.
That scale needs to totally flip the other way.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
First reaction being lets defend the shrine is good. But after you see how stupidly stubborn I am when I want something done in game why did you feel the need to defend it over and over instead of getting ahead of the problem?
This is inapplicable to the worst raids; the unavailability of competent defense leaders is seen as a net positive in some quarters.
I do admit that there are alternatives to this proposal.
Imagine sporting, mutually-enjoyable contests arranged ahead of schedule by org leaders who consider themselves to be on the same OOC team with the objective of telling stories, having fun, and making the game even more fun for new and future players.
Are you ready to embrace quaint ideas!? This is your thread.
but hey shceduled content, like landmarking you mean? That worked out real well fair and balanced every time. And they even had crazy xp loss like what you want a return to.
Or maybe you want something more structured like with times and goals and rules of engagment like what Ashtan tried to set up during the last Ashtan/Mhaldor war and Mhaldor ignored the idea until Ashtan got tired of pulled the plug?
Someone defiles. A bunch of people come to defend. The person who retaliates later for the fringe factor who attacked him is taken to task for his actions because individuals in the group, who chose to leap into action, were out-skilled and out-resourced?
What kind of Forest of Feelings is this game turning into to? I feel like any day now we'll all be assigned belly badges connected to a great big rainbow meter that shows how much caring there is in the land about other people's grievances about their option to actually defend and deal with the consequences of doing so.
Album of Bluef during her time in Achaea
So lets say your city decides this year to strengthen the font defensively, you all go to the font and hug it or whatever to make it give all citizens carrots for simply being a citizen with a defensive icon. Alternatively you can kick the icon in the nuts and make it angry so it gives carrots for all of your offensive needs.
In summary, you hug an icon and your city celebrates as it gets some kind of intercity or possibly just a citizen centric carrot for being font hugers. You kick the font in the nuts and your city celebrates as the font gives the citizens a carrot for being bastards who hurt the things that love them the most which they use to their benefit against another city. This is all a passive effect to promote RP in that the city needs to do this process themselves in some organized way and can probably make a whole annual city thing about. It's passive so it's done once a year and not an empowerment which are mainly for city defense during raids.
While your recommendation makes sense on its face, the fact remains that competent defense leadership has always required more than a hard-coded army rank. The Font remains a poor solution for the reason that it cannot much equalize a defense that is missing competent leadership, online and willing to play.
We are indeed old persons, but my wayback machine won't take me to landmarking. So much has changed since then that I'm not sure just saying the word landmarking frightens like it used to. After all, everyone loved the last CTF which was as scheduled as can be.
Wasn't involved. Maybe there were good ideas in there. Ashtan/Mhaldor war can't last forever, you know. Wouldn't you like to have the option to launch wars against Cyrene or Hashan that meet some enthusiasm instead of outright rejection on largely OOC grounds? I sure would.
CTF has no xp loss period. Not extra xp loss for people attacking a flag position. Your idea is nothing at all like a CTF.
You weren't involved then, you can be now. Negotiations are a thing. you can try them.
You pointed to scheduled content being unenjoyable. I was only pointing out that some scheduled content is very enjoyable. Two sides could alternate attacks under this proposal, evening out which side was taking it on the chin in terms of XP.
Thanks, and thanks again for your contributions to the thread.
By rage quitting people are dragging out the raids they feel you're losing. Less bodies means less potential charge for the tank. It also means the remaining defenders, the people still having fun, are now just a little bit weaker, a little less likely to win. If enough people rage quit all the defenders can do is sit back and wait. People that rage quit have ruined their fun by not helping bring about an end, either in vicotry ot defeat. So why drag it out? let's speed along the end with a little extra charge.
Plenty of other games punish people for rage quits. Those sorts of people are poor sports and deserve to be punished for ruining the fun of people that enjoy the PvP scene. Weather just testing the waters or fully entrenched in it. They certainly have a right to not be forced into something they don't enjoy but that doesn't give them the right shit all over what others certainly enjoy.
In short rage quitting is poor sportsmanship and should be punished.
Hanging around for a bad time isn't a virtue and looking for fun isn't criminal. Game without guilt.
We shouldn't need to chain people to a keyboard to convince them to keep playing, like some text-version of Annie Wilkes.