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@Austere - Then... consider that my appplication.
@Jacen - I don't think some of you understand what the world "blackmail" means. You do realize that I'm offering to contribute something valuable for free, not threatening to do so, or demanding anything, regardless of the outcome of my request... right?
No clue what's going on here. ..
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
If you're not getting the celebratory response you had hoped for, it might be because as soon as you solved this mystical enigma you tried to sell the answer. When that didn't look like it would fly, you tried to buy your way into the ACC with it.
People generally dislike braggarts, door-to-door salesmen, and gatecrashers. Posts on the last two pages epitomized all three personalities.
Maybe you are a genius for figuring this out, but the way you're going about sharing it with others is only ostracizing you further in this online community. If you really intend to share the knowledge, then share it. If it's good work, I'd imagine you'd get an invitation to the ACC when the next time for induction application rolls around. If not, you've at least done what you said you were going to sans the whole profiteering off it angle and people may respect you a hell of a lot more than they appear to right now.
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I thought it was an application process.
From : Tecton, the Terraformer
To : Everyone
Subject: Classleads and ACC applications
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Now that server-side curing has been live for a while, we're going to run a special classlead season
to pick up any abilities that need adjustments. Submissions will be open 00:00 GMT this Saturday
(Friday night US time) through to 23:59 GMT Sunday.
As mentioned, we're primarily focused on abilities that were adversely affected by the
implementation of server-side curing. Please hold on to your general submissions until the next full
round (which is in the very near future).
Additionally, we're opening up applications to the Achaean Combat Council (ACC) - a group of players
who work with us on combat additions and changes. If you've got a thorough understanding of your
class mechanics, as well as an in-depth knowledge of Achaea's combat system, please feel free to
email me (tecton@achaea.com) with the following information:
* Your real name
* Your Achaean characters
* 1 - 2 general changes you'd like to see made to Player vs Player combat in Achaea, and the
reasoning for these changes.
Penned by My hand on the 8th of Chronos, in the year 659 AF.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
If you have solved the limb damage formula, bravo. Seriously. It took someone 18(?) years to figure it out. Even if it didn't account for runes/blunt damage, and whatever else increases limb damage, that is no small feat. Testing to the degree required to figure it out would be mind numbing for 98% of the player base, and I think we can all say we are impressed with the IDEA behind it.
With that said, your next post to this thread should either be the formula or you stating you aren't going to share it. Stop beating around the bush and either spill, or drop the subject. We are tired of hearing about a mythical formula that you aren't going to share. No more thread, no more pollls. Promote Manda[where appropriate], and keep the rest to yourself. As someone who does consistent limb damage, I could careless either way, but watching you lower yourself on the respect latter because of posts like the ones in this thread is truly just sad. You're better than that
I find it somewhat annoying that you'd say what you have said, considering that I've trained dozens, if not in the hundreds, of new and intermediate players, and I spend more time in piratepad or teamview helping people on scripting or system challenges (for free) every month than most players spend playing the game.
I'm not just putting myself on a pedestal here, because I only do it because I enjoy it, but if you're going to lecture me about giving back to the community, then you have a serious misunderstanding of the person you're recklessly throwing accusations at.
I understand that it is the status quo to judge people based on their forum popularity and P9 friend list, but in this case, I'm going to have to ask that you take a step back and accept the fact that you actually don't know me, don't know what I've done or plan on doing, or why I do it - because you seem to be making an awful lot of assumptions.
tl;dr No.
I've probably seen the phrase "I don't want to give too much away here, but..." A hundred times on these very forums, from members of the ACC. I've seen a lot of people straight up censor combat logs to this end.
Aww.
I still remember Jaegerl teaching me, too. One conversation with him about serpent combat, pretty much, and then everything was uphill from there.
@Xinna, I remember Jaegerl breaking down serpent combat for you. He tried to do the same for me, but it all went in one ear and out the other. Thank god, I had you.
If you suspect that I am lying, then I propose that you simply not use my systems. I can't say I'm really that excited to be helping people who don't consider me an honest person (trust me, this isn't my day job - I don't care if you use it or not). You might want to review Help Scams which clearly states that shrubbing is a result of dishonest or deceptive sales. Note: I am not a shrub.
Accurate to a single hitpoint, regardless of stance, weapon, opponent's health, etc, using the exact limb damage equations the game engine uses.
Unless you've been given access to the limb damage formula used by the game engine, this is a pretty bold (and unsubstantiated) statement to make.
For the record, I support your decision to sell your work, just not the unnecessary, argumentative hyperbole that seems to surround it.
I actually doubt that the equation I use is exactly the same, in written form, but it is mathematically equivalent. In a way that y = 2x is the same as y = 4x/2 or 2y = 4x. (These are the exact same equation, just expressed in different forms).
Sorry if there was any confusion on this, but I think it's been pretty clearly stated that I developed this on my own, and that the equation did not come from IRE in any way.
For 20 USD, I'd actually consider buying Manda, apart from it taking some ridiculous number of hits to break limbs as a bard.
By claiming something to be exactly equal, you are implying that you have actually compared them. You haven't. You haven't seen IRE's formula. You have only seen the results of using IRE's formula, and using your own, within the boundaries and limitations of the tests you have conducted.
You may can prove that the two equations are mathematically equivalent on a given range, or a sequence of ranges (which I still don't believe is possible). You still have to fill in gaps, or project beyond the boundaries of the test, and you cannot prove that the equations are equivalent at these locations, because you don't have data at these locations.
(That equation is not quite correct, btw. Its y = 9055.5x^4 - 90555x^3 + 316942x^2 - 452773x + 217331). And yes, its a fourth order polynomial made to fit 5 data points, but it serves as proof that things aren't always what you think they ought to be.)
If limb damage showed that people with 100hp took 1 hit, 200 took 3 hits, 300 took 5 hits, 400 took 7 hits, and 500hp took 217341 hits, then my equations would still work correctly.
There are often times that several different functions provide 100% accurate data, but the important thing to note here is that they're all providing 100% accurate data.
I haven't actually bothered setting Manda up for classes that don't have "dynamic" limb damage, which I consider bard to be a member of. While they could theoretically benefit from the use of multiple rapiers, that's pretty rare and most people wouldn't bother applying that knowledge even with access to it.
Pretty much just knights, bards, monk on the radar, for the foreseeable future.
Been working on my own formula for a few weeks now out of boredom, and while I can get close, it isn't perfect. It is frustrating, so I understand why you think that you should make something off it. I was simply wanting to know if it failed, so I knew how far to push mine for reasonable accuracy. I can sell a "perfect formula" all day, but that doesn't mean it will never fail. 1 hp is the difference in fall or success. With such a broad array of weapons and damage, the word prefect just worries me. There is no physical way you have tested every single weapon damage on every single health point. While I am sure you have tested, I am sure those who bought it have as well, which is why I asked them. I figured this thread was relevant to the discussion, but I can probably just PM them instead, if my request hurts your feelings
There are dozens of people using Manda out there, but I advise that they don't disclose that they're using it to avoid people developing tactics/illusions specifically geared for defeating it (although it has fantastic anti-illusion - it's just a precaution).
However, anyone using it is of course welcome to disclose this on their end, and share their experience.
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And while I haven't actually asked IRE, I have always assumed that scams include OOC transactions, particularly since it specifically mentions using credits (which is the form of payment used for my systems, most of the time). While I wouldn't consider a coding mistake a "scam", a direct actual "lie" would be. If users ever encounter a problem, bug, or math error, they are encouraged to inform me, at which point I will immediately fix it (however I have yet to have a single report of limb damage calculation error).
To be honest, I wasn't accusing you of scamming in the first place. I was merely asking what kind of accuracy others had experienced using this. I know the first formula I managed to hack up fell apart when someone with access to a different weapon tested it. I have seen logs of your system[I assumed] in use and I didn't feel like searching for them and then messaging random people I don't know just to ask if it ever failed them.
As for Ai, while your scripts can be and probably are hidden, if someone really wanted to take the time to learn how to break it, they could just get a bootleg copy[you can't hide the triggers], or buy it from you. Either way, I assume that you would fix the problem as soon as it came up, so there is little risk of this.
Edit: was it Trey that used to offer credits for people to order him food delivery? I doubt ire shrubs anyone he says, "I sent <person> credits and my pizza never showed up"
People are more than welcome to try to crack it. Good luck!