The Big Change - Combat

Aegoth · January 2015

not from what I saw. It's roughly the same balance time.

You reach out with your mind and paralyse Hasar.

4811h (95%), 6752m (92%), 21685e , 29084w cb|x (08:59:07.549)-(-133m, 1.8%)

Hasar eats a magnesium chip.

4811h (95%), 6752m (92%), 21685e , 29084w cb|x (08:59:07.788)-

You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.

4811h (95%), 6752m (92%), 21685e , 29084w cbr|x (08:59:08.965)-

You have recovered equilibrium. (1.651s)

4811h (95%), 6752m (92%), 21685e , 29084w cbr|ex (08:59:09.200)-

Adjutant Elazar Lichlord, Dread Knight says, "Drobund?"

4811h (95%), 6752m (92%), 21685e , 29102w cbr|ex (08:59:12.528)-

Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.

You direct a crystalline golem to introduce impurities into the blood of Hasar.

A crystalline golem points a crystalline appendage at Hasar and he appears suddenly less steady on

his feet.

4811h (95%), 6692m (91%), 21685e , 29107w cb|x (08:59:14.598)-(smoke 181511)(-60m, 0.8%)

Hasar eats an aurum flake.

4811h (95%), 6692m (91%), 21685e , 29107w cb|x (08:59:14.663)-

You take a long drag of skullcap off your pipe. (5 skullcap left)

4811h (95%), 6692m (91%), 21685e , 29107w cb|x (08:59:14.901)-

Your lungs have recovered enough to smoke another mineral or plant. (1.262s)

4811h (95%), 6692m (91%), 21685e , 29110w cb|x (08:59:16.162)-

You have recovered equilibrium. (1.806s)

Only discrepancy is with mind stupidity, which is 1s balance time

Jovolo · January 2015

Torc: 1s, 1.5s.
Golem: 1.8s.

??

Aegoth · January 2015

roughly the same

Jovolo · January 2015

Not in the scale of achaean combat my friend

Exelethril · January 2015

0.3s is a huge difference. One lets you beat herb balance(assuming serverside), the other doesn't.

Alrena · January 2015

Exelethril said:

0.3s is a huge difference. One lets you beat herb balance(assuming serverside), the other doesn't.

That doesn't actually matter in retardation, since the delay means 1.8 also beats the delayed herb balance. 0.3 seconds is actually not a big difference at all when everything is delayed by 1 second.

Jhui · January 2015

if Exelethril were Ernam he'd post a 10 paragraph response to why you are theoretically wrong and you guys would break up over this.

be careful

Kaden · January 2015

Any other magi wondering if nimble might be better for magi now?

Tharvis · January 2015

Kaden said:

Any other magi wondering if nimble might be better for magi now?

@Kaden it might be if you also have the aldar talisman, to put EQ and Balance at roughly the same recovery time

Kaden · January 2015

Yeah, that's why I've been mulling it over. Almost seems like magi is in the same boat as alchemist now in that regard.

Tharvis · January 2015

To be fair I'd advise against it either way, nimble will only affect your staffstrikes, and god knows there'll be those random times when you want quick staff casts for easier Fluxes

Seftin · January 2015

Alrena said:

Exelethril said:

0.3s is a huge difference. One lets you beat herb balance(assuming serverside), the other doesn't.

That doesn't actually matter in retardation, since the delay means 1.8 also beats the delayed herb balance. 0.3 seconds is actually not a big difference at all when everything is delayed by 1 second.

What I took from this is if you don't have a torc, you're not missing out by a HUGE amount in retardation, and therefore not to feel that your golem is worthless in ret compared to someone with a torc.

Though, like an English major, I may just be reading too much in to this.

Tesha · January 2015

Kaden said:

Any other magi wondering if nimble might be better for magi now?

It isn't.

Kaden · January 2015

Seftin said:

Alrena said:

Exelethril said:

0.3s is a huge difference. One lets you beat herb balance(assuming serverside), the other doesn't.

That doesn't actually matter in retardation, since the delay means 1.8 also beats the delayed herb balance. 0.3 seconds is actually not a big difference at all when everything is delayed by 1 second.

What I took from this is if you don't have a torc, you're not missing out by a HUGE amount in retardation, and therefore not to feel that your golem is worthless in ret compared to someone with a torc.

Though, like an English major, I may just be reading too much in to this.

Torc is still a big deal in ret actually. Paralysis on demand while proned, impaled, etc. is nothing to sneeze at!

Seftin · January 2015

Kaden said:

Seftin said:

Alrena said:

Exelethril said:

0.3s is a huge difference. One lets you beat herb balance(assuming serverside), the other doesn't.

That doesn't actually matter in retardation, since the delay means 1.8 also beats the delayed herb balance. 0.3 seconds is actually not a big difference at all when everything is delayed by 1 second.

What I took from this is if you don't have a torc, you're not missing out by a HUGE amount in retardation, and therefore not to feel that your golem is worthless in ret compared to someone with a torc.

Though, like an English major, I may just be reading too much in to this.

Torc is still a big deal in ret actually. Paralysis on demand while proned, impaled, etc. is nothing to sneeze at!

Oh I agree, I just mean that the affliction rate between torc mage in retardation and non-torc mage isn't a huge gap that should make non-torc mages depressed or feel obliged to buy a torc.

I'm talking about the aff rate as opposed to the defensive capabilities of torc (which are another matter completely in retardation)

Ernam · January 2015

Considering that surviving retardation is pretty much the main reason Torcs are purchased*, and also considering that in many specific situations, it's the only method of surviving retardation, I don't see a problem with it (aside from balancing retardation around the existence of a very expensive artefact). Now that retardation doesn't stack with vibes, tweaking torc (increasing its balance cost) might be a good idea. That logic does need to be weighed, however, against the additional affliction power that has been added from golems (may very well be more powerful, in concentrated bursts, than vibes were, which would justify leaving Torcs as they are).

(* Yes, there are other things it is useful for, but retardation is the aspect of combat that is most impacted by having a torc vs not having one )

Rangor · January 2015

Better to buy amnesia Pet(s). Fk them amnesia pets messing up my telepathy attacks.

Ernam · January 2015

Well the big issue with that is simply that server curing is bugged (or just blatantly handicapped) in that even though it visibly sees amnesia (best example being amnesia pets), it does not in any way "cure" it. It just tries to heal as normal, and waits a silly amount of time to "realize" that the cure didn't happen.

this is particularly awful in retardation, since for people with latency higher than server curing's "fake" latency, it isn't even possible to "cure" amnesia before server curing attempts to do things. If you look at this in detail, you'll see that using server curing in retardation against an amnesia pet, your curing (per time) is quite literally halved, or worse, compared to someone in the exact same scenario who is using client curing.

Rangor · January 2015

@tecton and @sarapis. hey, single-trans knights who only had chivalry, still only has chivalry and has no access tot heir new abilities. Maybe they should get a complete skill reset and the lessons returned? Kinda weird to have to email you guys about it.

Addama · January 2015

Rangor said:

@tecton and @sarapis. hey, single-trans knights who only had chivalry, still only has chivalry and has no access tot heir new abilities. Maybe they should get a complete skill reset and the lessons returned? Kinda weird to have to email you guys about it.

I know people have issued about this and (I believe) have gotten their lessons transferred to Weaponmastery.

Rispok · January 2015

Addama said:

Rangor said:

@tecton and @sarapis. hey, single-trans knights who only had chivalry, still only has chivalry and has no access tot heir new abilities. Maybe they should get a complete skill reset and the lessons returned? Kinda weird to have to email you guys about it.

I know people have issued about this and (I believe) have gotten their lessons transferred to Weaponmastery.

I told somebody in my house to issue themselves to have it swapped over. 5 minutes later it was fixed.

Tecton · January 2015

Rangor said:

@tecton and @sarapis. hey, single-trans knights who only had chivalry, still only has chivalry and has no access tot heir new abilities. Maybe they should get a complete skill reset and the lessons returned? Kinda weird to have to email you guys about it.

Yep, feel free to file an issue or email support@achaea.com, and we'll switch out people's Chivalry and Weaponmastery skill levels.

Deladan · January 2015

Having envenom in spec for snb would be nice....not for me of course but for others...

Tarkanian · January 2015

Anyone who can post the complete AB files of all 4 knight specs please? Or maybe a pastebin link, whatever.

TIA.

Antonius · January 2015

@Sarapis @Tecton I guess this applies as much to combat as tradeskills or anything else, so I'll post it in here. If we come across a help file or AB listing that's incorrect/outdated/needs updating, what's the best way to bring it to your attention?