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Considering Weaponmastery is the Knight replacement for Forging, that sort of suggests we'll have to wait until the rest of the tradeskill split is ready to go. I'd be happy if that wasn't the case, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
Not really proof of anything unfortunately, unless there's also replacements for the other tradeskills on there to test or an official statement saying "These will be going live as soon as they're ready, we won't be waiting until the other tradeskill replacements are done."
EDIT: Basically, I want people to have reasonable expectations of when they'll see these changes live. Unless it comes from somebody like Tecton or Makarios, I'd be skeptical about any claims about when that will happen (including mine).
It's also not currently up for me this second, Mudlet just sits there trying to connect. I'd love to log on and play around with some things, but looks like that will have to wait until tomorrow since I'm out for the day pretty soon.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
But I ment that as in most games when they do a ptr (public test realm) type thing, it's because the time it takes for the people designing it to go through and test everything is huge, not to mention they miss alot of things because they are typically only a few people.
Now not saying anything about the testers or anything of the such but generally speaking The players can generally come up with different ways to abuse x and y that the developers and testers didn't even consider.
For instance in warcraft: Ret paladins (damage spec of that class) Were doing far to much burst damage and blowing people up in pvp to quickly. The change that was given to us was a dot (damage over time) that had to stack to get slightly more damage out of it. and the result.
Which came from the ptr and got them le nerfed.
Which means the -more- you test it out and the -more- feedback you give on it (honest feedback) the faster the changes can go live.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
In other words: Let Knights retain Forging while still getting Weaponmastery. Or allow them to forget it for a full lesson refund so they can learn Weaponmastery. New Knights can pick up both skills if they want (but default given weaponmastery as their third skill, with a message about Forging)
-> When the tradeskill changes happen, drop it from their 'main' skills but let them keep forging if they want it (or give them a full refund to learn a different trade)
Although don't get me wrong every class that uses weaponry will be affected by the weapon change.
...Of course this could just be me over hyping about knight changes coming extremely soon because I miss all my knight buddies that are dormant waiting on knight changes.
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
I am glad to hear it will be left in and will be interested to see many more options from the different methods on how to achieve it. Also, I am guessing here, but it looks like both Disembowel and Damnation could be a lot more interesting and viable with these builds.
As is, you cannot envenom a bastard/warhammer with twohand spec. it mostly focus on breaking your humanoid body.
Better to use the knight feedback thread.
You'll probably want to use battlerage focus precision for building stacks on tanky opponents.
sry bro
Who wants a mustache ride?
A lot of people do suck and that's complicating the conversation, but 235s can be pretty hard to come by for most players if you don't know the right people or aren't willing/able to get involved in bidding wars on Market. I don't want to make it an argument between the "haves" and the "have nots", but it's true that most of the folks who feel that knight is in a good place have been using rapiers I consider outlandishly awesome. (Mizik's set, Kadin's set, and Exelethril's sets have almost always had base stats higher than my runed stats) I've never owned 2 235+ at the same time, and one of the big breaths of relief coming into Runewarden from Paladin was that I could take 227s, turn them into 237s, and actually fight on a serious level.
I've always included the disclaimer that my experience comes from the perspective of a "discount knight" with no real artefacts and economy-class weapons. It's possible that the upper echelons are 100% fine, I just wouldn't know it. The weapon stats on the test server offer hope that, if 225-speed scimitars represent the new average, perhaps getting a 235-speed weapon won't be such a herculean task. That might be all it takes for my gripes with momentum-based bypasses, 3-minute limb damage decay, and requisite pre-damage for DSB to evaporate. If not, and 225 represents a shift to flat values per weapon like BM swords, with the only improvement available through artefacts, then the disparity between ground-level knight and artefacted knight may continue to be a point of contention. Time will tell.
In the meantime, I will take the first mustache ride.
Torso/leg/leg isn't the problem prep, though it is getting there. Much more is necessary to get a DSB off on a competent opponent.
Take your arties off and use 70/154/227 rapiers and move down to level 90. You won't be able to 'lol dsl until they die' and you won't be able to bypass parry nearly as effectively as you do now, and you will require more prep. This is what most knights are facing when they fight. Not everyone is 20 strength with god rapiers and 7k health.
Fighting with 227 or lower is retarded, why would you? They're not too hard to come by. However, they will be fixed with forging.
The ppl complaining most likely have 235+. If they don't its like a sentinel fighting with a 230 speed axe. Who the fuck cares? Let scrubs fight scrubs and make each other feel better while the good fighters stay on top?
The point Cooper was making said it but didn't say it - You're Jhui. The rapiers necessary to be competitive at top tier are not readily available to most people. You, Mizik, Tirac, you guys pay enough for pinnacle gear, and are well liked enough, that most of the time the people I know won't even bother advertising it first. I don't think you've got a realistic picture of how long it can take to find a decent set of knight weapons at the moment, and it's probably mostly because of that.
Regardless of whether you know that or not, though, the point you are making could essentially be taken as 'don't do what you like doing in the game if you can't find the weapons you need'. This is a retarded viewpoint, bro. If true, it's indicative of a problem that needs to be fixed inherent to the system, not a reason for someone to not have fun in the game.