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I'm actually glad we won't be relying on the RNG god of shiptrades anymore for that, because that was a whole lot of stress. But ship trades will need to be looked at again, if the goal was to make the sea a thriving environment again.
No one in their right mind's ever going to make the hemp trade for 50k ever again, given that it involves 3-4 hours of sailing in some cases. So the margin will need to be upped, or shorter routes will need to be, in fact, shorter. More credit trades and the return of crown trades would be, IMHO, more interesting than the current limited gold trades.
Tbh prolly should have just messaged Makarios/Nicola about it after the blackwave got more chill.
Edit: And I have no idea what this bug is or what it alludes to. I have heard of an old bug where people could buy some item that said "shark" in it and sell it for gold to a denizen that buys sharks.
PS: Threatening to quit/not spend money is not going to do anything, I can assure you of that.
It's ok, I can make up the loss.
From what I read and understand though, if yesterday's trade was to pop up again, you could still fill up 8 trade's worth of initial goods in Thraasi, stop in Zaphar for the first exchange, do the final exchange in Tasur'ke, and then have 8 seperate people board the ship in Tasur'ke, accept the deal, and complete the deal with 8x the correct goods already aboard. Each captain would only be able to do this once for that personal trade of course. Nothing in Mak's or Nicola's statements on this so far would run counter to that, but it is a way to make a lot of gold for the time invested, still.
I at least, would like to know if doing it that way would be okay going forward. I never abused the personal trades in the ways described here, but if that's allowed, I see little reason not to when the getting's good, like any other ship trade deal.
There are also a few ways to counter it, like never making the deals both accepted and completed in the same port, or somehow tying trade goods to a specific captain. OR, could even have the final trade good be taken in its entirety, no matter how much overstock you had. 5 gems or 30 gems, they're taking all your gems upon deal completion.
I know for a fact that a certain Cyrenian bought a War galley for 10 million.. and then proceeded to do ship trades for.. 13~ hours and make 10-11 million gold that very same day (or ridiculously close to it).
One one did the trades (usually) where you had to go back-and-forth between one port and another to accept/complete. It was the accept/complete at the same port that everyone did, and people did it religiously. If one of those trade days happened, you could not get ANYONE who wanted to do those trades off of their ship for almost any reason. This was most definitely a bug, and really shouldn't be argued.
In the past 10 days, lets see..
2017/04/23 00:08:38 - X > The harbour of Tasur'ke: Deliver 8 kawhe to Tasur'ke Harbour in return for 50000 gold sovereigns. (personal).
2017/04/19 00:01:35 - X > The harbour of Tasur'ke: Deliver 8 kawhe to Tasur'ke Harbour in return for 50000 gold sovereigns. (personal).
2017/04/14 00:00:53 - X > The harbour of Tasur'ke: Deliver 6 marble to Tasur'ke Harbour in return for 65000 gold sovereigns. (personal).
3 days, out of 10, there were cases wherein this bug could be abused.
Don't try to say it was an isolated incident, own up for your bug abuse instead of trying to hide behind petty lies.
As for "i'll never put another dime of my money into achaea!"
lolok. Ashtan pretty much carries us in terms of buying promotional shit. Usually. (@Jhui wya tho)
However, I think the reason many of us went into the camp of thinking it was not a bug, is that given how the profit margin/cargo cost/sailing time ratio was so outlandishly low, none of us thought this was a serious offer, and considered the -had- to be something to it to make it an acceptable deal. That offer will need to be reworked, either by increasing the single-time payout or by actually putting in shorter routes if the admins expect sailors to 1) keep investing in ships, who are multi-million gold sinks, 2) keep those ships running and sailing.
I'm saying this because the last year has seen a massive increase in seafaring activity. Piracy made a jump but was also quelled by the fact that for once, people had a reason to sail out and protect their cargo. The sea was lively, and by all means, it appeared like the admins gamble to revive seafaring had worked. In many people's mind, this just confirmed this was what was intended in the end. We had a golden age of sailing, and if nothing is done to find a middle ground, then I'm genuinely concerned that seafaring will fall back into its old place as an instanced harbour housing jig. And that's not good for the game either.
It's been too long since this had a reason to be used.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Where.
In the logs listed by Frederich that meant that you only had to spend the one-two hours running the kawhe route with a full hold to complete trades on the 19th and 23rd. (I'm not doing the math)
That is how your time is being saved.
As Regi also said there doesn't seem to be anything stopping you from finding other people willing to accept and complete the trade for you. Because the number of people available to perform such a favour is also limited.
What becomes ridiculous is if you and a friend keep snowballing the trade deal so that you can surpass even the potential earnings that would come from finding more people to accept and complete on your behalf.
Admin may have different priorities, need time to look into the event or even need fixes to be escalated and approved before implementation. I dare say that this bug flew under the radar for a year because it would require tweaking of a major system (shiptrade system) compared to tweaking a typo or turning a flag on an item on. A tweak that may need higher up approval to be implemented but fell to the wayside as they made us OP talisman sets.
Two big examples spring to mind such as Sarapis announcing that forms of quick travel could no longer be used to return from the outer islands yet Pierce the Veil continued to do so for around two years until it was recently fixed. Chrono Memory from Depthswalker doing the same. These were exploits being used by people to buy bulk cheap wood and sell it on the mainland. It wasn't until I talked to @Makarios directly about these did he seem to have an 'oh shit, you're right' moment and the bug rectified in less than 24 hours.
A bug is a bug, sometimes they slip to the wayside but they are still a bug. If you see one that is a huge exploit, especially in regarding gold/items/comms/etc., LIKE THIS ONE OBVIOUSLY WAS DESPITE PROTESTATIONS OF NAIVITY, take it straight to them so you and anyone else who independantly stumbles on it aren't punished for using it.
It's fixed now, but the only reason they found out is because they bragged and wrecked credit market, not because they reported it iirc.
It's still possible to get double cargo, and have a second person Accept and Complete the deal, even if you've already done so?
Because it isn't endless, and you have a limited number of people.
Also; itt
"Why is my ship strongbox empty?"
w/ @Makarios / @Nicola making a special guest appearance arming the god-damn cannon.
I'm just glad that it's finally been looked it and fixed.
Leil and Christophe have a windcutter and they are relatively new to seafaring - The Windcutter we've had I think since just after Christmas. I've scanned through the above comments, but I'll admit there is quite a bit so I've not gone through it -all- however, lets look at the positives as well as the negatives in all of this - The admins need to be careful here not to discourage those, and in fact, try and embrace them a little.
Seafaring took a noticeable jump in activity - It has created more RP out of the piracy element, it seems to have created social groups and it seems to have found what appears to be a relatively nice balance of 'gameplay fun, actual effort and reward' defining reward as being the overall experience to the player. In all IRE games there are awkward periods of apathy and when something does take player interest (even for the wrong reasons like in this case) then there needs to be a proper look at the mechanics and such things 'positively' continued.
Whilst not directly affected by the penalties it would be fair to say Christophe and Leilanni have been part of this previous to this month the same as many of us have been. Whilst the rewards have been 'generous' the trades themselves (effort/reward) without the bug would have been frankly poor - you'd be better off hunting probably or going out and gathering primes (both of which usually require less 'concentrated effort' on what you are doing as they are easier to apply levels of automation to). Sailing is something which for most people I know requires eyes on the screen looking at a little blue box and I know from my own experience after a few hours you get boss eyed and start making mistakes - but - that is all part of it! It does, however, require a lot of concentration.
So echoing some of the other sentiments - Keeping boats on the water is good for the whole 'seafaring element' of the game and its been good this last year or two IC. So whatever the admins decide to do, finding a way to keep boats 'on the water' would be preferable to letting people do 'one run per month for what will end up being a negative gold return on other ways to earn in game'. This idea that we are all just going to float around building up cargo for just in case is a bit hopeful. It does need a 'reward/effort' balance true, I accept that - but the mechanic enforced from this month I don't feel achieves that. Trades requiring multiple ships (multiple captains) or more complex routes where 1 of something requires 3 of this and 5 of that (from completely different ports/areas of the game) would lead to people working together to complete and that can only be a good thing.
Moving on - The response to just start taking stuff off everyone.
Again, I'm less affected by this but I do have sympathies with players who put 12 or 18 hours into something only to then have it all quite ruthlessly took away. When I came into seafaring we were sort of just told 'this is the way you do it' and in terms of the openness of this the admins have to accept some responsibility that 'whilst they saw this over the last 24 hours' their gold logs must have shown this for.. well.. a very long time. We can argue in a circle until the end of days about where that line could and should be drawn, but anyone keeping a cursory eye on the game would have seen/noticed what is going on I'd of thought, and if they didn't then the logging systems around seafaring probably need some wider attention too. When people become used to things being 'the way they are' and when its considered to be implied consent, then its hard to say 'You should have reported this' particularly when it just appears to be the way. For people who want to chirp in and call BS, when I got into seafaring through one of the naval clans, this was just talked about quite openly .. in game, on channel, and there are a lot of us in that clan. As I said before, lots of people exploiting auto-hunting, auto harvesting and other things which we all know happens and is (half) against the rules but is sort of done anyway, so its not always 'clear cut' regardless of what people think.
With that in mind given players did make an effort to play the game mainly 'manually' and do something - bug or not - stripping 'everything' made during a period does seem excessive to me. A fairer compromise, even if the admins just set a gold reward per hour for that period, would have probably been the way I'd of handled it.
The sea is eternal. You can crit it. But it is invincible.
Also; Greed kills.
https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/HpI3pFdu
Fucker did 10k in one god damn hit OW