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Why are Maklak's forces killing their own guardian?

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  • CynlaelCynlael Member Posts: 3,257 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2014
    Lucine said:

    This is Achaea.  Of course we can't.  He who complains/whines/blames most wins!

    It's his tactic.

    inb4 more flags l0l

  • ErnamErnam Member Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited June 2014
    Why am I not surprised to see @Shirszae showing up every time I post, insulting me.

    @Cynlael I'm glad to see that you find habitual breaking of forum rules (and adult-like behavior) amusing.

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      1. JurixeJurixe Where you least expect itMember Posts: 1,651 @@ - Legendary Achaean
        edited June 2014
        Responding to this is probably a bad idea, but I can't help but think that so much of this is just somewhat irrational doomsaying. There's only like, a week left. From what I've seen, Ashtan/Mhaldor aren't making a super incredibly concerted 200% more camp the guardians round the clock effort to really capitalise that much on this advantage - whether that is by choice or by numbers, doesn't really matter. I don't discount the work you guys have put in but suggest that it's possible that by this time, you've built up a large enough lead that if you continue as you are, you probably won't have a problem. I mean, if the score was that close, do you really think admin would have allowed this in the first place?

        Not to say Ashtan/Mhaldor haven't been working hard too, particularly the outpost hunters, who have been great. But I really think you're jumping the gun here in terms of saying 'it's all over', which it pretty clearly isn't.

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      2. MithridatesMithridates Member Posts: 1,956 @ - Epic Achaean

        I like you Mizik, but you'r pretty much completely wrong.

        StrataDraekarKerria
      3. KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean

        From a personal point of view, there is absolutely no point in going up to the Tundra during the (GMT) day when it's being farmed by @Rangor‌ @Alrena @Exelethril‌ etc because within 10 seconds of arriving, there's three dragons lolstomping Klendathu before he can even Gare back out, therefore it becomes an exercise in futility. I'd rather spend my time hunting the areas normally hunted out (Istarion, Annwyn, UW) than praying.


        Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
      4. TeshaTesha Member Posts: 2,917 @@ - Legendary Achaean
        edited June 2014

        The ship thing lasted the first 12? 20? hours, wyverns lasted 2-3 days (and got gradually nerfed, thankfully. People were being so silly with them!). I don't think you've been coordinating with Mhaldor, but there isn't much coordination necessary when it's your usual fighters + Mhaldor snipers/soulspears/Xinna (can't bunch her in with the rest). Eleusis/Targossas don't usually overlap population wise, we might get a window where there's a lot of both, but typically it's a handful of one and primarily the other. Cyrene usually sends 0 to 1 people. There have been 6-7 hour time frames where Mhashtan's unstoppable, 6-7 hours where we're unstoppable, and overlaps where we get some crazy fights, like when we fought you guys on Poly for an hour straight yesterday - or the first time you guys went after Oughlor.

        I think it's been a pretty much even event, just hope I'm not wrong about killing Oughlor being primarily a delaying tactic vs giving you guys a huge point income advantage. That's what a lot of people thought it was, which I think was where most of the frustration came from.

         i'm a rebel

        Kresslack
      5. AlrenaAlrena Member Posts: 647 @ - Epic Achaean

        @Klendathu you're more than welcome to bash tundra critters during GMT time. I just suggest you bail out when the giant comes up. Otherwise, I sure don't mind the help in summoning Oughlor! :wink: 

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      6. ErnamErnam Member Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
        Alrena said:

        @Klendathu you're more than welcome to bash tundra critters during GMT time. I just suggest you bail out when the giant comes up. Otherwise, I sure don't mind the help in summoning Oughlor! :wink: 

        That's the other thing that's annoying.  I don't like the idea of bashing Tundra NPCs for two hours just so Mhashtan can materialize and kill Oughlor when they're finally all dead.  The whole thing just doesn't make any sense, IMO.

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          1. AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 4,925 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Mizik said:

            @thread

            Totally know how you feel. Like when:

            *Staff was held in god mode ships by Targ

            *Targossas was given wyverns

            *Team blue fist killed their own guardian

            *Oughlor straightforward as fuck to kill, where Rakia takes specific tactics and will cock smash all hostiles if anyone comes to defend it. Virtually turns all of Polyargos into no-man's land

            *Ashtan decided to solo Eleusis/Targossas/Cyrene (I get it, we shouldn't win them all, it'll be better for the game if we let team blue/green get one - but god is it tough to swallow)

            *All Polyargos denizens hit for asphyx damage and give no xp - fk you Maklak blessing vs fire - then I bash ice stuff for 20 min in group of 5 and gain 3%

            *95% of Ashtan useless in their confidence that A-Team will protect/win for them. Either quit to other factions, switch to combat alts, be obscure afk alt char.


            All my butthurt sore losing aside, do like excuse for conflict. Lots of 4v15 action. A-Team vs tri-city Icon armies.

            I'm not Dragon enough. Every time I go to Poly or Tundra I die at least 5 times.

            My pride,  it hurts.



            You hug Aurora compassionately.
          2. ArditiArditi Member Posts: 841
            edited June 2014

            Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibits A, B, and C in "Why [insert faction] would rather fight [insert opposing faction other than Targossas] here.

            @Ernam whines, @Tesha equivocates, and @Alrena says "Hey guys, they can totally do all the work for us and we can gank them".

            SherazadStrataVrahTohran
          3. RangorRangor Member Posts: 3,205 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Atalkez said:
            Mizik said:

            @thread

            Totally know how you feel. Like when:

            *Staff was held in god mode ships by Targ

            *Targossas was given wyverns

            *Team blue fist killed their own guardian

            *Oughlor straightforward as fuck to kill, where Rakia takes specific tactics and will cock smash all hostiles if anyone comes to defend it. Virtually turns all of Polyargos into no-man's land

            *Ashtan decided to solo Eleusis/Targossas/Cyrene (I get it, we shouldn't win them all, it'll be better for the game if we let team blue/green get one - but god is it tough to swallow)

            *All Polyargos denizens hit for asphyx damage and give no xp - fk you Maklak blessing vs fire - then I bash ice stuff for 20 min in group of 5 and gain 3%

            *95% of Ashtan useless in their confidence that A-Team will protect/win for them. Either quit to other factions, switch to combat alts, be obscure afk alt char.


            All my butthurt sore losing aside, do like excuse for conflict. Lots of 4v15 action. A-Team vs tri-city Icon armies.

            I'm not Dragon enough. Every time I go to Poly or Tundra I die at least 5 times.

            My pride,  it hurts.

            Needs more totem propping, battleaxes for style points and less needle dsls.

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            KlendathuAtalkezMelodie
          4. AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 4,925 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Rangor said:
            Atalkez said:
            Mizik said:

            @thread

            Totally know how you feel. Like when:

            *Staff was held in god mode ships by Targ

            *Targossas was given wyverns

            *Team blue fist killed their own guardian

            *Oughlor straightforward as fuck to kill, where Rakia takes specific tactics and will cock smash all hostiles if anyone comes to defend it. Virtually turns all of Polyargos into no-man's land

            *Ashtan decided to solo Eleusis/Targossas/Cyrene (I get it, we shouldn't win them all, it'll be better for the game if we let team blue/green get one - but god is it tough to swallow)

            *All Polyargos denizens hit for asphyx damage and give no xp - fk you Maklak blessing vs fire - then I bash ice stuff for 20 min in group of 5 and gain 3%

            *95% of Ashtan useless in their confidence that A-Team will protect/win for them. Either quit to other factions, switch to combat alts, be obscure afk alt char.


            All my butthurt sore losing aside, do like excuse for conflict. Lots of 4v15 action. A-Team vs tri-city Icon armies.

            I'm not Dragon enough. Every time I go to Poly or Tundra I die at least 5 times.

            My pride,  it hurts.

            Needs more totem propping, battleaxes for style points and less needle dsls.

            No more totems. Or axes



            You hug Aurora compassionately.
          5. KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Alrena said:

            @Klendathu you're more than welcome to bash tundra critters during GMT time. I just suggest you bail out when the giant comes up. Otherwise, I sure don't mind the help in summoning Oughlor! :wink: 

            But then I'd be doing exactly what's being complained about... :|


            Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
            Sylvance
          6. UnadUnad Member Posts: 47 ✭✭ - Stalwart

            I don't really care. A fraction of a percent of the player base is posting, about an event that affects a very small fraction of the playerbase. This is like listening to corporate vice-presidents complain about which imported coffee they drink when they buy out yet another elected official.

            JhaeliAaricPraxidesSylvance
          7. KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Point proven - shame on me for having a trigger to pick up gold and shards when they're dropped!


            Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
            Rangor
          8. MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 5,010 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Klendathu said:
            Point proven - shame on me for having a trigger to pick up gold and shards when they're dropped!

            Gunsou Klendathu Eula (male Xoran).
            He is 307 years old, having been born on the 19th of Chronos, 350 years after the fall of the Seleucarian Empire.
            He is ranked 40th in Achaea.
            He is the 44th ranked combatant with a rating of 100.
            He is an extremely credible character.
            He is not known for acts of infamy.
            He is a member of the Quisalis Mark.
            He is a Consul in Ashtan.
            He is a Mercenary in the army of Ashtan.
            He is considered to be approximately 95% of your might.
            He is a mentor and able to take on proteges.
            His motto: 'Cyntaf ymhlith cyfartal.'
            He bears the arms: Sable, on a pile Or, a griffin displayed Gules.
            See HONOURS DEEDS KLENDATHU to view his 16 special honours.

            Gaian Ellodin Longshanks, Magistrar of Battle (male Red Dragon).
            He is 265 years old, having been born on the 18th of Scarlatan, 392 years after the fall of the Seleucarian Empire.
            He is ranked 31st in Achaea.
            He is an extremely credible character.
            He is not known for acts of infamy.
            He is a member of the Ivory Mark.
            He is a Warden in Eleusis.
            He is a Reaper of the Chaff in the army of Eleusis.
            He is a member of the ruling council of Eleusis, with the title of Leath-ri.
            He is considered to be approximately equal to your might.
            He is a mentor and able to take on proteges.
            His motto: 'In victory or defeat, always we fight on.'
            He has been engaged to be married to Huripari Wysteria for 76 months.
            He has been divorced 3 times.
            He bears the arms: Gules, a wolf rampant Argent.
            See HONOURS DEEDS ELLODIN to view his 13 special honours.

            Yes, if you go to either Polyargos or the Tundra and you're a mark, the chances of you getting killed is very high. We very very often have a good bit of Ashtan up there, camping and killing anyone they have the excuse to (mainly marks), but they'll leave the others alone (just like we would). That's part and parcel of this event, you're in a high-traffic area where the opposing side holds an outright interest in the resource you're hunting, and you're allowed to be attacked (in some form). As for Rangor's comment, he was likely just rolling with it. I'm sure you picking up the gold made them notice you, but the reason was more your status. No one cares about 1k~ gold that hard.

            "You have had an extraordinary adventure, my dear. Extraordinary! One that few people could ever imagine. Treasure it. Keep it safe and secure, tucked away in some special place in your heart. 

            But... don't spend the rest of your days chasing a ghost."
            Jhui
          9. AlrenaAlrena Member Posts: 647 @ - Epic Achaean
            edited June 2014

            Actually, I specifically said on party not to go after him because we already took down the giant and it was most likely @Klendathu was just getting a blessing. @Ellodin does take his gold srs, though! No other Eleusians chased after him.

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          10. KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            edited June 2014

            OK. I'm wrong. Carry on.

            (Still proves the point there's no point in Klendathu going to Tundra during the GMT day due to the speed at which he gets attacked)


            Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
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          11. DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,276 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Mizik said:

            @thread

            Totally know how you feel. Like when:

            *Staff was held in god mode ships by Targ

            *Targossas was given wyverns

            *Team blue fist killed their own guardian

            *Oughlor straightforward as fuck to kill, where Rakia takes specific tactics and will cock smash all hostiles if anyone comes to defend it. Virtually turns all of Polyargos into no-man's land

            *Ashtan decided to solo Eleusis/Targossas/Cyrene (I get it, we shouldn't win them all, it'll be better for the game if we let team blue/green get one - but god is it tough to swallow)

            *All Polyargos denizens hit for asphyx damage and give no xp - fk you Maklak blessing vs fire - then I bash ice stuff for 20 min in group of 5 and gain 3%

            *95% of Ashtan useless in their confidence that A-Team will protect/win for them. Either quit to other factions, switch to combat alts, be obscure afk alt char.


            All my butthurt sore losing aside, do like excuse for conflict. Lots of 4v15 action. A-Team vs tri-city Icon armies.

            Wait a sec.

            * Ship advantage was worth 5-6 facets, tops. Guarantee the people holding the staff on ships had less fun than the people moaning about not being able to have a go at the event. Was it shit? Yes. Would not do again. Hope it does not happen again.

            * We were given wyverns when it was literally world vs us, and the early conflicts saw us leaning on worldburn as a way to *stay alive* against the sheer onslaught of Maklak's forces. They lasted approximately 2 days before being removed entirely. They were absolutely broken on the first day, and mildly useful on the second day.

            * Don't know if this is true or not. 

            * I think this is your bias showing. He's only "straightforward" to kill because Eleusis (mostly) and a bit of Targossas have had the guy on loop since he came out and have been incredibly adaptive to the massive changes made to him over the course of this event.

            * Ashtan sticking to its guns from an RP sense was a good thing to do. I wish Targossas had stuck to its guns and simply not participated in the Reckoning at all, but apparently Aurora being neighbours with a space dragon on Polyargos has greater precedence over this. Oh well.

            * If they hit for asphyx damage, you have this wonder command called HOLD BREATH that makes you COMPLETELY IMMUNE TO ASPHYXIATION DAMAGE BETWEEN ACTIONS. You've shit the bed hardcore here if you think that this is an advantage for Yudhi's side by any stretch of the imagination. I've tanked rooms of 3 nel'doraths in Morindar with smart use of breath. It is a bit weird to deal with at first, but you absolutely can tank huge rooms of mobs that deal asphyx damage at once because of this.

            * That sucks, hard. I also know how it feels. See Targossas between every major event ever, and when we've lost our core fighters a bunch of times to inactivity/dormancy/alts.

            I am glad you guys are having fun, especially since I know you like to position yourselves to fight the skewed fights against you that you guys can actually deal with due to your skill/arties/brass balls. But there is a reason that Maklak's side has consistently been on the downfoot this entire event, and I don't think any of the things you've listed here are the reason why (except maybe the Ashtan sticking to its guns thing, Mhashtan soulspear kaichoke frenzy would probably result in more ragequits than anything else ever conceived in Achaean history). 

            Eleusis and Targossas (or at least the people from both participating in this event) have busted their asses to do the kind of things they've done. I think Tesha's been doing 20 hour days or something ridiculous like that for most of the month to coordinate our efforts up there and I know Rangor and the EU crew have been absolutely apeshit about getting Oughlor under wraps when they get on. Meanwhile, Ashtan lost most of its core to Bonnaroo for a few days which gave us an uncontested lead which we ran away with, hence why the self-guardian killing was allowed on Maklak's side.

            Basically, Bonnaroo ruined the Reckoning. Proof.

            Siduri
          12. MorthifMorthif Member Posts: 1,633 @@ - Legendary Achaean

            From what I recall @Daeir help the sceptre on a ship while @Tesha was sleeping. When she logged in I am not sure how long she was on the ship but for most of the time she held it she wasn't on a ship. She was in the Dreamspear and none of you thought to check places like that. God mode? not really

          13. MorthifMorthif Member Posts: 1,633 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Where does the facet come from? you'd have to think the facet Oughlar holds has to come at a cost to Maklak right? So it doesn't make sense to me why he would want you to kill Oughlar.  Idk seems almost as classless as the Mhaldorians following people in the outpost stealing gold and corpses in a pvp free zone.

            Jurixe
          14. CarmellCarmell Eastern WashingtonMember Posts: 473 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
            edited June 2014

            2014/06/25 08:01:33 - A shrine at 'Targa Road through low hills' was destroyed.
            2014/06/25 08:02:49 - A shrine at 'South of the Eusian Falls' was destroyed.
            2014/06/25 08:03:51 - A shrine at 'Lakeside hilltop' was destroyed.
            2014/06/25 08:05:14 - A shrine at 'Chapel Street in front of a church' was destroyed.
            2014/06/25 08:06:17 - A shrine at 'Atop the mountain' was destroyed.


            So they are allowed to hunt both sets of creatures and this is the end result.  Yep thank you.  Glad I can just go to my ship and say screw it.  Those were all done by the same person.  With corpses from Poly and Tundra.


            StrataSiduri
          15. HirstHirst Member Posts: 209 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent

            Well, what do you expect? All you do is run in, witness, and leave. I'll stick around to make shrine conflict "interesting" when you show up to play ball.

            ErnamCylaTharvisAegoth
          16. MithridatesMithridates Member Posts: 1,956 @ - Epic Achaean
            Every time I do you just run away though Hirst :(

            TeshaErnam
          17. TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!Member Posts: 3,107 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Every time I do you just run away though Hirst :(

            He fears your bunny

            Aurora says, "Tharvis, why are you always breaking things?!"
            Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
            Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."

          18. SylvanceSylvance Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean

            Why can't people just enjoy the free forums entertainment anymore? Sheesh.

            I mean, Disagree with this post if you read the title and HONESTLY did not expect to see certain (specific) individuals throwing a bitch fit?

            Tvistor: If that was a troll, it was masterful.
            I take my hat off to you.
          19. KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
            Sylvance said:

            Why can't people just enjoy the free forums entertainment anymore? Sheesh.

            I mean, Disagree with this post if you read the title and HONESTLY did not expect to see certain (specific) individuals throwing a bitch fit?

            What the hell forums have you been reading? EVERY thread on the Achaea forums descends into a bitch fit throw-off (out?).

            To get back on topic, just went and got a new blessing from Maklak and didn't get attacked. FU Eleugossas! RAWR!


            Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
            Sylvance
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