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Why are Maklak's forces killing their own guardian?

AdaAda Member Posts: 218 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
Hi! I've noticed Maklak aligned cities are hunting Oughlor too now, why is this being allowed? I'm told we can't hunt Rakia for facets but they get to hunt Oughlor for some reason. I'm not sure where else to ask this so I'm putting this here. Anyone know anything? :neutral_face: 

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  • ExelethrilExelethril Member Posts: 3,352 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    To even the odds, apparently. Also, RP.


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  • TeshaTesha Member Posts: 2,935 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2014

    From what I understand, it's an idea Mhaldor started with the outpost, then Maklak ordered Ashtan to extend it to Oughlor. 

    Since Yudhishthira gains points every time Oughlor's killed, Maklak isn't necessarily doubling their point gaining, but we have no way of knowing what the ratio of points is in facet fusing vs boss killing. 

    There are two possibilities for the points:

    My guess is that it is 1 point for the boss kill and 1 point for facet fusing, so Maklak forces killing Oughlor might not widen their lead, but it delays us. I'm not sure if that's right. If this is the case, it isn't a huge deal because they usually kill Oughlor when we're unable to anyways.

    However, if you gain more points for fusing a facet than you get for killing the bosses, then this is increasing their point income, which is highly frustrating because it changes the event from a month long endurance event into something that can be won in a solid week, depending on the margin of point income. Which we are also unsure of!

    We have no way of viewing scores, so we can't be sure which possibility it is. We had a pretty strong lead, but I'm unsure if it's rapidly dwindling or remaining the same despite the Oughlor killing, which is driving me crazy considering how hard we've worked for 21 days straight.

     i'm a rebel

  • GreysGreys Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 713 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean

    Yeah really frustrating to see (now they get to double dip for essence to defile with) and would love to see the RP justification for it.

  • AdaAda Member Posts: 218 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent

    It seems weird considering the RP, Maklak suddenly hates his own guardian now? Heh the odds were one city against the world, now it's three cities farming one guardian and three cities farming two guardians. That's not even!

  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    This was discussed at some length in the Ranting Menace but as usual, nothing productive was gleamed from the conversation other than "the choice was made by people who know what they're doing - don't worry!".

    So I guess it is something they needed to allow to even the playing field or something of that nature.

  • DaslinDaslin The place with the oxygenMember Posts: 2,492 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Was a player suggestion that admin ran with.

    Not a choice by admin that players ran with.

    Get your shit straight, @Daeir

  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2014

    Makarios literally said that, unless I'm confabulating. Not just pulling it out of my hat.


    Nope, not confabulating.

  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    It's not like the two are mutually exclusive. It was a player suggestion, and admin who know what they're doing decided it was a good idea and went with it.

  • DaslinDaslin The place with the oxygenMember Posts: 2,492 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I dunno how to pull quotes from another thread but, lemme pull in the idea man himself. @Florentino get in here.

    Now please, tell me how it wasn't suggested by a player?

    Oh wait, it wasn't you, -that- is how it wasn't a good idea/player made.

  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2014
    I never once said anything about it being a player idea or otherwise or anything of the sort. What?

    I don't get the hostility over this.

    Whether it was a player suggested idea or not is pretty irrelevant regardless.
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  • DaslinDaslin The place with the oxygenMember Posts: 2,492 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2014
     Dude. lemme show you what you just wrote.

     "the choice was made by people who know what they're doing - don't worry!".

    compared to Makarios' post which says, "Have faith. The guys running it know what they're doing."

    The hostility is because you want to belittle and shit on volunteers so much dude. Fucking shit on the player who made the choice. Not the volunteers who do as they're asked.



    let me add in here. I'm rather intoxicated at this point on cheap shitpiss beer, so, take that as you will.
  • GreysGreys Member, Seafaring Liason Posts: 713 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean

    Ok can someone other than Daslin and Daeir answer?  I am actually interested.

  • LucineLucine UtahMember Posts: 202 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    If the world cup were being run by two opposing forces, one of which was role playing properly to do something to get his own way... then no, they probably still wouldn't.  FIFA does a pretty good job controlling it's evil underlings. 

    But for this, the roleplay is justified.  I can understand being frustrated and thinking it's a low tactic, but there is nothing in the rules of the reckoning that says they can't do that.
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  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United StatesMember Posts: 6,305 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    If anything it's just to make up for the offset start by Targossas holding the staff hostage and inaccessible on a ship for the start of the event.



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  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,288 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    And all like, 6 facets that was worth.

    Greys
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,264 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Ada since I suppose it is a perfectly reasonable question, but can't we really move past the blaming/whinning/complaining stuff at least until the event passes in its entirety?

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

    SherazadSylvance
  • LucineLucine UtahMember Posts: 202 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Shirszae said:

    I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Ada since I suppose it is a perfectly reasonable question, but can't we really move past the blaming/whinning/complaining stuff at least until the event passes in its entirety?

    This is Achaea.  Of course we can't.  He who complains/whines/blames most wins!

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  • MishgulMishgul ROTHERHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMember Posts: 5,372 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    sometimes bad people do bad things.

    -

    One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important

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  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United StatesMember Posts: 6,305 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Daeir said:

    And all like, 6 facets that was worth.

    You're right, 6 facets isn't that much. Soooo...problem?



  • ErnamErnam Member Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited June 2014

    I'm holding out a minute amount of faith (at @Makarios' request) for whoever is running this event, however, logging in and seeing:

    2014/06/24 02:07:50 - Greys > Giant slain by Ashtani.

    Pretty much tipped me over from "I just barely care enough about this ridiculous event to participate occasionally" all the way to "Screw this, it's 100% idiotic".

    Targossas and Eleusis are dramatically outgunned on this fight... the fact that we were able to get ahead in this event is the result of a massive amount of dedication and work.  Seeing all of that taken away because Mhashtan essentially found a way to "cheat" is pretty stupid.

    As Greys already mentioned, it's also pretty messed up that access to pretty ridiculous essence farming locations is now dramatically imbalanced.

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      1. TeshaTesha Member Posts: 2,935 @@ - Legendary Achaean
        edited June 2014

        It's not over yet. I don't think they'd set it up so killing Oughlor puts Maklak significantly further ahead while making it something only Maklak's team can do. I'm guessing it's merely a stalling tactic (which happens to give them access to a second area with amazing gold, experience, and essence, so jealous!). 4-5 more days to go. The factor that has the strongest impact on whether they can come back is whether we give up or not, and I certainly don't intend to! 

         i'm a rebel

        Melodie
      2. ErnamErnam Member Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
        edited June 2014
        But during peak hours, and most of the rest of the day, Mhaldor + Ashtan has dramatically more forces available than we do.  If they put forth the level of dedication that Eleusis did, per capita, we'd never be able to step foot in Tundra.  In general, Yudhi's team is winning because they're trying harder, on average.

        All I see is the event admin slanting the odds to give the losing team a fair chance, despite the fact that they were losing a perfectly fair match, that they had every opportunity to win fairly.

        @Rangor I'm not saying that blue team has more people actively participating than we do, because they don't.  What I am saying is they have more players on, more dragons, and more arties.  The reason red team is winning is because a much larger percentage of their players are participating.

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