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Melodie

Kuy said:

Aktillum said:

Gamoneterik said:

So the reason I thought "this may make me be able to lock better" is pipe balance. I know the changes don't affect Bard directly. But, doesn't pipe balance make a huge difference somehow?

If you have a jab faster than 1.8 you can keep prevent them from smoking skullcap almost permanently by spamming jab gecko / recite epic.

Not really. Maybe. I just pulled this out of my ass and haven't tested it.

Bards are already pro at locks.  Easy peasy.

Stop reking me so hard.

Ernam

Cooper said:

My level 79 unartied alt beat lothiac easily yesterday, Ernam just isn't good with his $5000 worth of arties.

Agrias

The only change to Algiz was no more 10% damage reduction to adventurers.

Other than that, it functions the same.

Allow me to clarify further.

It. Only. Works. Against. Denizen. Damage. Now.

Runelorists can still runebind and dragonform. Algiz functions against adventurer and denizen damage. But only to a Runelorist.

Algiz is completely a hunting rune now.

Ernam

@Agrias false, it still works for the runewarden/shaman against players.  Not sure if that's what you meant, but dem's da facts.  See OP.

Cooper

Agrias said: 

Runelorists can still runebind and dragonform. Algiz functions against adventurer and denizen damage. But only to a Runelorist.

Do you ever read what people write?

Dunn

Agrias said:

Runelorists can still runebind and dragonform. Algiz functions against adventurer and denizen damage. But only to a Runelorist.

Let me help you there, buddy.

Ernam

Cooper said:

Do you ever read what people write?

Agrias said:

It. Only. Works. Against. Denizen. Damage. Now. 

Agrias said:

Algiz is completely a hunting rune now.

@Cooper yes.

If you're going to insist on trolling me on a daily basis, I'm going to have to ask that you do it better.

Cooper

It is a completely hunting rune.

Unless you're the runelorist. It was pretty clear he was talking about non runelore, and clarified further by stating it works vs adventurers if you have runelore.

Wessux

Just to clarify, can't dform and have algiz help you against adventurers. In dform it's also just denizens even if you are a runist in lesser.

Kafziel

> @Wessux said:
> Just to clarify, can't dform and have algiz help you against adventurers. In dform it's also just denizens even if you are a runist in lesser.
Maybe in theory but its giving me around 10% lesser 7 or 8% dform at the moment. Possibly bugged

Carmell

It's gotta be bugged.  Priest can't keep their blessings through Dragonform which is totally stupid.  Then we just have to find someone to bless us.

Klendathu

Carmell said:

It's gotta be bugged.  Priest can't keep their blessings through Dragonform which is totally stupid.  Then we just have to find someone to bless us.

Why is this stupid? Reducto absurdum: monks should still keep weathering, toughness and all other class "fire and forget" abilities when drgonforming, tarot users can fling pre-charged cards when in dragonform. Dragons used to have class abilities instead of dragoncraft, it was a big No. 

Jovolo

Blessings can be third person

Agrias

Yeah. I had no clue if Algiz functioned the same in dragonform. But you keep the rune, and for the runebind duration, if you have the ability.

Kuy

> @Agrias said:
> Yeah. I had no clue if Algiz functioned the same in dragonform. But you keep the rune, and for the runebind duration, if you have the ability.

If that's the case, priests should be able to keep their blessings. Both runes and blessings can be used by any class.

Ernam

Priest dragons would still have a pretty huge advantage, being 4 seconds away from earth shield at all times.

IMO, -nothing- class related should be usable or carried over in dragon, in the interest of fairness and dragon class balance. Also, the last thing in the world dragon needs (as a class) is even easier access to more damage mitigation.

Wessux

Sent by Meletus

      5/07/23:42 Greetings! In regard to issue 68658, algiz will no longer work vs adventurers in dragonform, regardless of that dragon's lesserform class!

Now everyone stop talking. 

Jarrod

That's not what people were talking about at all.

It's the difference between runing yourself in lesser and dragonforming (you keep the runes), and Priest blessing yourself in lesser and dragonforming (you don't keep the blessings). Personally I don't like Priest blessings, more buffs you can give to allies is a bit obnoxious to deal with, especially factional ones (and the implications they cause in fights later that don't have those priests in them).

Wessux

The conversation devolved into how its not fair that runes stay but priests blessings don't. And the fact that people were saying it's giving a buff or supposed to continue to do so. Now the world is clear that it doesn't help you in dform (for adventures) and that it's "fair" again. Miss information bugs me and the forums are a breeding ground for it. Trying to stop it in the womb.

Arador

Out of interest and relevant to this, what happens with Alchemists and Empower when they dragonform?

(It's called empower, right? Gods I suck, played an Alchy alt for over a year and can't remember the damn ability name)

Shunsui

Empower persists through dragonform, both on alchemists and people they give it to, last I checked

Achilles

You lose priest blessings when you dform but keep blessings when you lesserform.  The alchemist astronomy thingy stays with you when you dform and lesserform until you die/burst (and I assume mog or soulcage).

Caladbolg

Siduri said:

I just want to pop up and doff my hat to the changes to sileris, pipe balance, and flay envenoming. Honestly, this will certainly affect the offensive strategies of serpents, and I dare think positively: by making the sileris and rebounding mechanism remain useful, yes counterable, you open the door to more interesting battles.

Pipe changes are awesome, Now if I can just find a way to abuse pipe balances with damnation..

Kuy

Jarrod said:

That's not what people were talking about at all.

It's the difference between runing yourself in lesser and dragonforming (you keep the runes), and Priest blessing yourself in lesser and dragonforming (you don't keep the blessings). Personally I don't like Priest blessings, more buffs you can give to allies is a bit obnoxious to deal with, especially factional ones (and the implications they cause in fights later that don't have those priests in them).

I would personally rather all class-based defences be stripped when you dragonform, but would settle for consistency.  Either all stay or all go, in my book.

Kafziel

Wessux said:

Sent by Meletus

      5/07/23:42 Greetings! In regard to issue 68658, algiz will no longer work vs adventurers in dragonform, regardless of that dragon's lesserform class!

Now everyone stop talking. 

in dform:

Azaxel touches you with her withered finger and an agonizing sensation ripples through your body.
(-807h, 11.0%)

You smudge the algiz rune off yourself.

Azaxel touches you with her withered finger and an agonizing sensation ripples through your body.
(-867h, 11.8%)

Now everyone keep arguing.

Wessux

Kafziel said:

Wessux said:

Sent by Meletus

      5/07/23:42 Greetings! In regard to issue 68658, algiz will no longer work vs adventurers in dragonform, regardless of that dragon's lesserform class!

Now everyone stop talking. 

in dform:

Azaxel touches you with her withered finger and an agonizing sensation ripples through your body.
(-807h, 11.0%)

You smudge the algiz rune off yourself.

Azaxel touches you with her withered finger and an agonizing sensation ripples through your body.
(-867h, 11.8%)

Now everyone keep arguing.

Bug it, cause it's a bug of the bugging kind.