Triton and Vertani as playable races

Aktillum

I think it's time these two races were made playable. The Vertani have been in Achaea long enough for them to start entering Sapience culture/society, and while Tritons are a bit more rare, they have been spotted around Sapience before. Both races have plenty of RP potential. I know the staff is super busy with things but adding these two races down the road would be awesome.

Bluef

Aktillum said:

I think it's time these two races were made playable. The Vertani have been in Achaea long enough for them to start entering Sapience culture/society, and while Tritons are a bit more rare, they have been spotted around Sapience before. Both races have plenty of RP potential. I know the staff is super busy with things but adding these two races down the road would be awesome.

New races would be s much fun. I like the idea of tritons a lot. Maybe it is a throwback to WoW, but I really want to play an orc too. 

Achimrst

Meh

Eld

Not opposed to the idea of new races, necessarily, but both of these seem to be too generally at odds with the rest of "humanity" at this stage to make much sense as potential citizens of the main cities.

Vertani have been around for a long time, but isolated; nothing wrong with having them slowly integrate, necessarily, but the recent event with the expansion of Tir Murann seems to indicate movement in the opposite direction on that front. 

Tritons have been around, but it would likely be an exceedingly small number who would consider dwelling above ground (if it's possible? Not sure if they have problems being out of water for long periods), even among those who interact civilly with the land dwellers. If you make them a player race, it seems like you'd need to force anyone who wanted to be one to play an iconoclast/outcast/whatever in order to avoid just throwing out a major part of the curent rp with them.

Nim

Eld said:

Not opposed to the idea of new races, necessarily, but both of these seem to be too generally at odds with the rest of "humanity" at this stage to make much sense as potential citizens of the main cities.

Vertani have been around for a long time, but isolated; nothing wrong with having them slowly integrate, necessarily, but the recent event with the expansion of Tir Murann seems to indicate movement in the opposite direction on that front. 

Tritons have been around, but it would likely be an exceedingly small number who would consider dwelling above ground (if it's possible? Not sure if they have problems being out of water for long periods), even among those who interact civilly with the land dwellers. If you make them a player race, it seems like you'd need to force anyone who wanted to be one to play an iconoclast/outcast/whatever in order to avoid just throwing out a major part of the curent rp with them.

To be fair, don't a few player races have somewhat outcast natures as well? Mhun come to mind, but I feel like Horkval might be a bit far-flung too. I dunno enough lore to know about the others though...

Kresslack

Mhun aren't as outcast as they used to be. In regards to Vertani, aren't these pretty much giants? That's the impression I got from what I remember reading about them, rather.

Achimrst

I want to be a goblin, someone make me a goblin race.

Ellodin

I would love to have Vertani as a playable race that starts with some advantage like all stats are 13, but if you die, that's it, and you don't get any investment you may or may not have made returned.  Throwaway alt city!

Not serious, but I think a hardcore mode would be amusing.

Trey

I want Vertani as a playable race only so I can LEARN THE FUCKING LANGUAGE TO FLUENT FINALLY.

Silas

No.

Synbios

Normally, I'd refuse on the grounds of combat balance, but now that race advantages have been relatively balanced, I now am adopting an ambivalent stance towards the idea.

New race emotes are what I'm looking for, anyway.

(I forget - are Tritons bipedal or do they have a fishtail for their lower half?)

Tharvis

@Synbios Bipedal

Seftin

Would love:

Half Orc

Orc

Goblin

Halfling

A fae type race something like fairy style

Vertani

Undead

Salamander etc

More that I can't think of

Jiraishin

I'm assuming there's some meaning of 'Salamander' here besides the animal? Because right now I have this really hilarious image of a tiny, spear-wielding lizard-thing being stepped on by a Vertani who doesn't know it's there.

Riley

Aren't the things in Everren castle Salamanders?

Jiraishin

Salamandrins.

Zii

Kryptonian and Jedi races.

Atalkez

Drow

Sarapis

First, we need to keep in mind (or at least I do) that race isn't a huge part of RP for everyone because it's so fluid. In retrospect, I would have liked to have made stronger racial identities as core part of Achaea at the beginning, but that ship has sailed. In order to 'fix' it, we'd have to remove all gems/daggers of reincarnation, and the race you start with is the race you are permanently with, past maybe level 30 at least. Dunno how much people would like that in the end, but without it, race is never going to be all that important imo. I think there are also issues with adding another core 'identity', since we already have class, city, House, etc.

Triton, can't see it happening - they don't play well with others as an RP point and their culture is well-enough developed that I don't think we'd want to dilute that by making them a player race. Granted, only Neraeos (whose role is now dormant) really knew the ins and outs of Triton culture well as he developed it.

Vertani - There's a bit of an RP problem here because they're giants. All the other races are intentionally kind of the same size (so that clothes/armor make some kind of sense, though I'll certainly grant that it makes little sense for a Satyr to wear the same boots as a footed race, for instance). Curious what other peoples' opinions of this issue is.

I do like the idea of new races and it's something we've talked about. Will likely happen at some point. 

Kaie

How about Imp as a playable race. They're one of the first denizen types most players encounter.. assuming you go to Minia.

Achimrst

Kaie said:

How about Imp as a playable race. They're one of the first denizen types most players encounter.. assuming you go to Minia.

I went to Lodi, I want wildcats and gnomes.

Sarapis

Imp, wildcats, and gnomes have the same issue that Vertani do RP-wise in terms of clothes, armor, and so on. See my question above about it. I want to know how much of an RP problem people think this is. All of the current races are roughly the same size by design, barring dwarves..... Maybe this just isn't an issue.

We could 'believably' support multiple race sizes (small, normal, large, for instance) and have clothing/armor all targeted at one of the sizes, but that doesn't really work unless we get rid of race changing, as it's just annoying to be changing race frequently and having to have multiple sets of clothing/armor/etc to fit different race sizes.

Penwize

I don't really think getting rid of race changing would be a bad thing now that racial specs are in, but why not go the half-way point?  Change the gem to be spec and self-rez only, and hike up the dagger of reincarnation's cost to something that prevents casual race changing (say, 300cr).  That way reincarnation still exists, but becomes harder and thus it's easier to build up some racial RP.  I think letting players change aspects of their character is important in a game like this, and we see it all the time when players switch cities, orders, classes, etc.  It can also be an interesting point of RP.

Though, that said, I've used my gem as a prop for my character's story as well, so I suppose there are advantages both ways.

Nim

Sarapis said:

Vertani - There's a bit of an RP problem here because they're giants. All the other races are intentionally kind of the same size (so that clothes/armor make some kind of sense, though I'll certainly grant that it makes little sense for a Satyr to wear the same boots as a footed race, for instance). Curious what other peoples' opinions of this issue is.

Dunno how big Vertani are, but given a short, waif Siren, an even shorter and much stockier Dwarf, a tall, absurdly voluptuous Siren, and a muscular troll approximately the size of the other three combined can all wear the same form-fitting little black dress (without even tearing it), I think the issue you've described already exists.

Riley

I have seen 4ft Dwarves and Trolls taller than Riley (he's 9ft), so the size issue does not really seem to big a deal. Why does it fit? Magick

It goes along with we have Wings, Tails, and Hooves to deal with, and I have only seen Xorani tails really addressed in clothing with special pants to accommodate their tails.

Penwize

Daeir said:

That'd open a can of worms

Pun intended? :P

Atalkez

@Sarapis‌ Racist Against Drow. -10

Achimrst

Drow reminds me of Tsol'teth, so technically.......

Kyrra

Amusingly, this was the character depiction of my drow from the first MUD that I played. Carmain would be proud of dem brows.

I was kind of glad that they didn't exist in Achaea though.

Alynna

Penwize said:

I don't really think getting rid of race changing would be a bad thing now that racial specs are in, but why not go the half-way point?  Change the gem to be spec and self-rez only, and hike up the dagger of reincarnation's cost to something that prevents casual race changing (say, 300cr).  That way reincarnation still exists, but becomes harder and thus it's easier to build up some racial RP.  I think letting players change aspects of their character is important in a game like this, and we see it all the time when players switch cities, orders, classes, etc.  It can also be an interesting point of RP.

Though, that said, I've used my gem as a prop for my character's story as well, so I suppose there are advantages both ways.

I always had the thought that the gem/daggers should be re-worked pretty much as Penwize has said. With the implementation of racial specialization, I see no huge drawbacks to making racial choice more special. I don't think the ship has sailed, @Sarapis! Maybe open a poll to see player's opinion on making races more inclusive, like the way you want them to?

Achimrst

Alynna said:

Penwize said:

I don't really think getting rid of race changing would be a bad thing now that racial specs are in, but why not go the half-way point?  Change the gem to be spec and self-rez only, and hike up the dagger of reincarnation's cost to something that prevents casual race changing (say, 300cr).  That way reincarnation still exists, but becomes harder and thus it's easier to build up some racial RP.  I think letting players change aspects of their character is important in a game like this, and we see it all the time when players switch cities, orders, classes, etc.  It can also be an interesting point of RP.

Though, that said, I've used my gem as a prop for my character's story as well, so I suppose there are advantages both ways.

I always had the thought that the gem/daggers should be re-worked pretty much as Penwize has said. With the implementation of racial specialization, I see no huge drawbacks to making racial choice more special. I don't think the ship has sailed, @Sarapis! Maybe open a poll to see player's opinion on making races more inclusive, like the way you want them to?

Would probably have to be an in-game poll, not everyone plays around on the forums while meditating back willpower like I do :P