Gold Sinks

Shecks

Sarapis said:

Gold sink: Wand of Zap.

1 billion gold.

Get to work people.

You say this like people won't pay it...  That's only 15,000 credits, which is < 20% of some people's "investment" in credits so far.*

*edit - oh.  Fail.

Eld

Shecks said:

Sarapis said:

Gold sink: Wand of Zap.

1 billion gold.

Get to work people.

You say this like people won't pay it...  That's only 15,000 credits, which is < 20% of some people's "investment" in credits so far.

150000. Or 150 million, if it's a British billion.

Cathy

Eld said:

Shecks said:

Sarapis said:

Gold sink: Wand of Zap.

1 billion gold.

Get to work people.

You say this like people won't pay it...  That's only 15,000 credits, which is < 20% of some people's "investment" in credits so far.

150000. Or 150 million, if it's a British billion.

Achaea uses grey not gray, so start saving your 150 million.

Xith

Although to be realistic if you want to see your gold any time soon, you'll need to sell closer to 5000 per, meaning closer to 200,000 credits. Also known as like $45,000.

Cooper

Add to Shecks' list of talents: math.

Shecks

@Melodie you don't need NPCs to do this, that's what newbies are for.

Shecks

IRT Wand of Zap:

Might be cheaper to buy IRE.

Xith

Nobody would pay what the producers would require to sell it. High maintenance and low profit.

But it's still high enough profit that I imagine it's worth a good deal more than $45k. Achaea alone probably spends about that much on the total coding team. I'd like to say it's a higher number but I don't know just how "volunteer" things are up there. :P

The other games probably aren't the same cash cows but it's probably a similar situation. And then there's Jeremy and Matt. If I had to guess I'd say at least one of them pulls $5-10k per per game.

Could be way lower or way higher. But the other big factor in selling is the impact on the player base. Protecting the hefty player investments is #1. The only way I can see them "selling" IRE is if it was to a devoted larger company that wanted to bedazzle stuff and take it to the "next level". But I don't think that is or ever will be what Achaea is about.

EDIT: Just spent 3 paragraphs responding to Shecks.

Sylvance

Love the idea of them selling shrouds, but there's really only one place that discussion is gonna end up...

Wysteria

Katzchen said:

Denizens that replace sigils in your house when given supplies yes please.

And not necessarily human either too, I would so be up for a bird or ethereal elemental creature (hey have to fit with Sylvan theme) that can hold the things and drop sigils when necessary. This could apply to House estates too. Bring it into cities though and it might mean we start paying taxes...which is not a good thing.

Veldrin

Wysteria said:

Katzchen said:

Denizens that replace sigils in your house when given supplies yes please.

And not necessarily human either too, I would so be up for a bird or ethereal elemental creature (hey have to fit with Sylvan theme) that can hold the things and drop sigils when necessary. This could apply to House estates too. Bring it into cities though and it might mean we start paying taxes...which is not a good thing.

Ideally you'd be able to customize the denizens like room descriptions (1000 gold each time) since that'd be an additional (although small) gold sink

Nemutaur

If shrouds are available like that it won't change anything. Veil users will upgrade theirs to level 2's, everyone else will have level 1 veils.

Blujixapug

Daeir said:

I have an idea:

Make heron feathers and ethereal shrouds sold by merchants in Delos, 2 per Achaean day for a max of 30 stock, 15k sovereigns for the shrouds apiece, and 3000 for the heron feathers.

Veil users also have to cash in to avoid the bonuses. Can start up a small industry in reselling shroud stocks.

Veils are the worst, why are you advocating this. How about you can pay 30k gold to have someone egg Daeir's house.

Actually how could you translate that into Achaea... Maybe you can pay gold to train up minipets with skills? 150k to train your minipet auburn gull to track to an enemy's location and divebomb them, with poop. You could have a whole Husbandry/Beastmastery/Wildtaming tradeskill, with a list of abilities you can train tamed pets to learn. Teach quadrupeds to be mounts, and leap canyons. Teach birds to deliver messages. Teach monkeys to wear hats. And if they die, you have to train a new one. Goldsink, boom.

Makarios

The problem there is that anyone with a veil is going to be capable of affording a shroud, removing the currently available option of ask a friend to locate them. I'm of the mind that allowing easy shroud access will worsen that situation, not make it better.

Zii

Let us buy humgii racing tickets with gold.

Achilles

Remove the stacking capability of shrouds, implement Daiers idea. People would still buy veils since a non veil owner would burn 5cr per day in perpetuity.

Penwize

Don't sell ethereal shrouds then.  Make it something else with a high price that only allows you to see through a veil for some small amount of time or some limited number of uses.  How about something like this:

A silver looking glass:  Allows the holder to see veiled targets 5 times, then shatters.  You don't have to limit this stock too much either to have this be worthwhile.

Heron feathers should definitely be sold though, they're a really interesting item that I think would make a great gold sink.  If you want clouds access permanently, buy wings.  Else, use heron feathers.  Seems nice.

Trey

Blujixapug said:

Daeir said:

I have an idea:

Make heron feathers and ethereal shrouds sold by merchants in Delos, 2 per Achaean day for a max of 30 stock, 15k sovereigns for the shrouds apiece, and 3000 for the heron feathers.

Veil users also have to cash in to avoid the bonuses. Can start up a small industry in reselling shroud stocks.

Veils are the worst, why are you advocating this. How about you can pay 30k gold to have someone egg Daeir's house.

Silly Blupikachu, Targossians don't -have- houses.

Shecks

Bump for Mayan Crowns for gold idea.

Blujixapug

Maybe they should add more furniture for houses. And different prestige materials. So in your house's kitchen you could have a gold sink.

Silas

Jurixe

I lol'd, but in all seriousness, I would love more furniture varieties and it -would- be an excellent gold sink, honestly.

Xith

Houses need more functionality. Because furniture is currently a waste of gold if you aren't visiting your house.

The trade skills plus the new trade skills will probably cause lots of people to invest in them. Like I think cooking and inkmilling probably did.

Talismans on the other hand seem more of a credit sink

Shecks

Talismans don't affect the credit market much, because for every person spending credits on them, there's a person receiving those credits.  The only impact the talismans have is influencing people to buy credits if they otherwise wouldn't (kinda the point of a promotion).

More house stuff is find and all, but keep in mind that a gold sync has to be something you can use repeatedly, not just a one time purchase.

Jurixe

In terms of furniture, if you don't get them made non-decay, they last quite a while but still do cost a good amount of gold every time you buy a new piece. It wouldn't be a large gold sink by any means, but something is better than nothing!

...

Okay, I actually just want new furniture. If crafting/cooking can get new designs, why can't furniture!

(plz @Cardan?)

Knivek

Something that gives a few extra SPP's.

Xith

That wouldn't make a bad Trait.

ETA: Oops page break. Something that allows a few more SPPs for seafaring.

Shecks

Knivek said:

Something that gives a few extra SPP's.

Not bad.  First point 500,000 gold, doubles every time used.

Shirszae

Pretty much anything that gave more SPP would be bad for the seafaring system. Some people simply want to be able to get all their specializations without having to depend on someone else, but that kind of goes contrary to the very design of the skill and the idea of having to participate as a team. 

Xith

Which is why I said a trait, cause there are already like 5 seafaring traits.