Memorable quotes

Datrius

I'm sorry, but it's hard to resist my viking charms, @Ourania

Daslin

Viking? It's the Esben-Gunnar in you, boy. Don't put me in the home....

no... please.... @Vastar save me. He's being an evil son.

Datrius

@Daslin Shut up old man. I've already arranged you a spot in the Cyrenian Senile Retirement Center.

Daslin

I won't go! You can't make me! I will flee to the skies or some such other interesting thing.

Kyttin

@Daslin come with me, and you'll be in a world... of pure imagination.

Jurixe

I'm not usually in the habit of being harsh and I have nothing against @Cresil, but really quite disappointed in how that interaction was approached. That's really not how you interact with an all-powerful being ICly. You also can't use an item's design as an excuse to justify that - the reaction itself is fine, it's how it's used by people that is the issue, and of course people are the ones that decide that. We could take the reaction away if that's the problem, but why not just use it responsibly instead so we don't have to account for the implausible possibility of it being used on a god? He also knew exactly what the reaction would be to begin with, so ignorance isn't a valid claim.

That aside, I really have to give major, major kudos to @Gaia. She would be well within her rights to choose to ignore the interaction and just zap him to bits, but instead she chose to spin it into a great RP opportunity for all parties and perhaps birth the movement for change, for something great. Big, big props for that. You are badass. If Eleusis ever decides they don't want you, Gaia, come over. You can uh...grow flowers for @Carmain or something.

Eld

Aegoth said:

Silas said:

Actions like that are incredibly poor form from a roleplaying perspective. Branding - or doing anything lasting to - somebody's character without some manner of consent from the player is highly inappropriate. Doing it to a god is just ludicrous.

If you want to try to brand somebody, do that - try to. You're free to make an attempt to do anything you want, since attempting gives the other player the opportunity to decide whether or not they want to go along with what you want to happen. Forcing the outcome on somebody is ridiculous. It's why you always have the opportunity to fight back or at least run away when somebody initiates a fight.

Props to @Gaia tho for being cool and incredibly classy about it, and recognising the need for change in Eleusis.

The item he used doesn't "try" to brand. It's what Mhaldor uses to brand its slaves, made by the Admin. It's not Cresil's RP that's in poor form, but rather how the item was made

Did emotes get deleted while I was dormant?

Jhaeli

Jurixe said:

I'm not usually in the habit of being harsh and I have nothing against @Cresil, but really quite disappointed in how that interaction was approached. That's really not how you interact with an all-powerful being ICly. You also can't use an item's design as an excuse to justify that - the reaction itself is fine, it's how it's used by people that is the issue, and of course people are the ones that decide that. We could take the reaction away if that's the problem, but why not just use it responsibly instead so we don't have to account for the implausible possibility of it being used on a god? He also knew exactly what the reaction would be to begin with, so ignorance isn't a valid claim.

That aside, I really have to give major, major kudos to @Gaia. She would be well within her rights to choose to ignore the interaction and just zap him to bits, but instead she chose to spin it into a great RP opportunity for all parties and perhaps birth the movement for change, for something great. Big, big props for that. You are badass. If Eleusis ever decides they don't want you, Gaia, come over. You can uh...grow flowers for @Carmain or something.

This is my thinking on it too. Gaia showed pure class in her response to it and made it meaningful. And as Eld is implying, he could have emoted reaching for it and threatening her with it, and she could have chosen whether to let it go through.

Regardless of whether he was in the right to do it though, I'd love to see both Mhaldor and Eleusis follow up on it, each in their own way, as there is incredible potential there now.

Alrena

If @Gaia defects to Mhaldor, can I come with her? 

Florentino

If you defect to Mhaldor first, I'm pretty sure Gaia will come

Melodie

Jhaeli said:

Jurixe said:

I'm not usually in the habit of being harsh and I have nothing against @Cresil, but really quite disappointed in how that interaction was approached. That's really not how you interact with an all-powerful being ICly. You also can't use an item's design as an excuse to justify that - the reaction itself is fine, it's how it's used by people that is the issue, and of course people are the ones that decide that. We could take the reaction away if that's the problem, but why not just use it responsibly instead so we don't have to account for the implausible possibility of it being used on a god? He also knew exactly what the reaction would be to begin with, so ignorance isn't a valid claim.

That aside, I really have to give major, major kudos to @Gaia. She would be well within her rights to choose to ignore the interaction and just zap him to bits, but instead she chose to spin it into a great RP opportunity for all parties and perhaps birth the movement for change, for something great. Big, big props for that. You are badass. If Eleusis ever decides they don't want you, Gaia, come over. You can uh...grow flowers for @Carmain or something.

This is my thinking on it too. Gaia showed pure class in her response to it and made it meaningful. And as Eld is implying, he could have emoted reaching for it and threatening her with it, and she could have chosen whether to let it go through.

Regardless of whether he was in the right to do it though, I'd love to see both Mhaldor and Eleusis follow up on it, each in their own way, as there is incredible potential there now.

Won't say too much, but can things are definitely well underway in Eleusis and that this incident is not going to be forgotten if I have anything to say about it!

But Gaia is amazing, and has been for as long as I've known her. Gaia for president.

Exelethril

Tbh, I'd probably ragequit Eleusis and join Ashtan if nothing changes after this.

Siduri

Why do people always ragequit to Ashtan or Mhaldor, why can't they ragequit to Targ? *pouts*

Daslin

Nope, nope. Better not leave that, edit time....

 Just, know that people might like other cities more based on rp, or the status of their character. Targ has a good group to push said cultural identity. You just gotta give the players a reason.

Hayte

Florentino said:

If you defect to Mhaldor first, I'm pretty sure Gaia will come

I know we will

Jhaeli

Daeir said:

People apparently don't like the fact that there's a faction with a burgeoning cultural identity waiting to be shaped by a group of core players who for some reason or another are conspicuously absent at the moment (pending new people to arrive to replace them).

Why make something yourself when there's something good that other people have made before you, right?

I know you were kinda sorta joking, but I understand the underlying frustration in your words.

No Targossan has ever even brought up the subject of conversion around Jhaeli, outside of a couple "that's a shame" tells I got after it was clear I was moving her to Mhaldor. In comparison, @Mathonwy approached Jhae after the Warden House poofed and took his time to find common ground before the topic of conversion was broached. For some reason, that sparked a flood and I had received a large number of entirely separate Mhaldorian conversion attempts after. There are a number of other reasons that played a part in why Jhae went Mhaldorian, both OOC and IC, but frankly, just the fact that she was wanted encouraged the decision.

Not sure what the current conversion programs look like in Targossas, so ignore this if the point is moot, but they're a good investment if you want to recruit characters from other cities who are looking to changed things up.

Cresil

Mishgul

yes

Daslin

I think my favourite bit was Carmain handing me 6k gold. Was neat.

Cresil

Let me be clear:

First off, I'd like to agree in that @Gaia handled that better than I ever expected. Never in my wildest dreams did I think She would roll with it. I fully expected some "Divine Fire" thing that stopped the brand from even touching her. Yes, I knew the brand doesn't give an 'AGREE' request or anything, but I also wasn't planning to ask permission. We had a very minute interaction beforehand, I walked in wielding the brand and even sent her a tell saying I had something for her after she had already left the debate once.

 Ultimately, if someone came up to you and jumped toward you with a branding iron, there wouldn't be much of "lol, didn't get me". I was extremely impressed with her reactions and even more so her words. I sent her an OOC message apologizing for the lack of choice in front of people, but ultimately I think it worked out better that way. Reckless? Sure. Stupid? Definitely. Worth it? You're GD right.

(Ugh, there was a little more in the second paragraph, but mobile forums sucks)

Florentino

I'm solidly on Cresil's side here about the imposition of RP. The answer isn't to ask permission for everything, it's for everyone to roll with it and then figure out ways to use even more RP to change undesirable permanent impacts on the apperance or personality of your character - for players, the purging fires of Adroushan, for Gaia, maybe a ritual of cleansing, molting and rebirth that you task your Order with putting together, for Sartai, a ritual execution. 

He did something epic for which his character will be remembered a long time and gave an interesting twist to a war that others have seemingly been trying their hardest to make pretty boring, so kudos. Also props to Gaia.

Razha

Wish I could see how it went down.

Sobriquet

So, I log in and read the news posts.. and then in a show of perfect timing, Deathsight shows up..

<snip>

Although it is not wise to be disrespectful to the Gods, Naga Cresil was lucky that in this case, 

his impudence yielded an unexpected confession. Well done indeed.

Penned by my hand on the 20th of Glacian, in the year 663 AF.

2918h (100%), 3299m (88%), 13490e (100%), 15800w (100%) cdbk|ex (21:05:43.289)-

It is now the 6th of Mayan, 663 years after the fall of the Seleucarian Empire.

2918h (100%), 3299m (88%), 13490e (100%), 15800w (100%) cdbk|ex (21:05:52.181)-

Rasping his last breath, Cresil has succumbed to the deadly aim of the Wildwood Queen.

2918h (100%), 3299m (88%), 13490e (100%), 15800w (100%) cdbk|ex (21:06:28.737)-

Rasping his last breath, Cresil has succumbed to the deadly aim of the Wildwood Queen.

2918h (100%), 3299m (88%), 13490e (100%), 15800w (100%) cdbk|ex (21:06:28.747)-rn

Aegoth

Jurixe said:

That's really not how you interact with an all-powerful being ICly. 

This is the only thing you said that bothers me. There's no right or wrong way to interact with anyone ICly. Everyone interacts in their own unique way. Some people are god fearing, others are more relaxed and skeptical of the gods. Why push one agenda on everyone when there's a plethora of unique, fun ways to interact? All-powerful doesn't mean invincible or even not vulnerable to mortals. @Cresil did a fine job with it, and it sparked something quite memorable and, much more importantly, something that impacted the world. It's amazing that @Gaia recognized that and went with it instead of doing what everyone assumed would happen. That's what makes RP great, is that nothing is ever as cut and dry as it seems. It's a shame that you're "disappointed" by this and think there's a specific way to interact with Divine. 

Aktillum

Cynder said:

Gaia, the Wildwood Queen says, "My forests did indeed feel the power of your Master, and My Speaker did indeed fail."

[...]

Gaia, the Wildwood Queen says, "Perhaps you shall do what I cannot. Bring about the end of her pitiful reign."

That was a cool reaction to Cresil and all, but if that last line was about Ravien...I know some of the players are upset with her, but could the Divine of our faction not drag her through the mud too? Yeah, she's been less and less active, and probably need to retire if thats going to continue, but she's been a pretty great Speaker for a long time, hardly a "pitiful reign".

This post can be ignored if that wasn't about Ravien.

Silas

Aegoth said:

Jurixe said:

That's really not how you interact with an all-powerful being ICly. 

This is the only thing you said that bothers me. There's no right or wrong way to interact with anyone ICly. Everyone interacts in their own unique way. Some people are god fearing, others are more relaxed and skeptical of the gods. Why push one agenda on everyone when there's a plethora of unique, fun ways to interact? All-powerful doesn't mean invincible or even not vulnerable to mortals. @Cresil did a fine job with it, and it sparked something quite memorable and, much more importantly, something that impacted the world. It's amazing that @Gaia recognized that and went with it instead of doing what everyone assumed would happen. That's what makes RP great, is that nothing is ever as cut and dry as it seems. It's a shame that you're "disappointed" by this and think there's a specific way to interact with Divine. 

If you're Mhaldorian and you're relaxed or sceptical around the gods, you're probably doing something wrong. Even around gods you dislike, it'd be absurd to just treat them like another person since your whole society is founded on the power of the gods.

But this is the problem with encouraging this type of behaviour - people now think it was worth it to blatantly disrespect a god and to ignore roleplay etiquette because they got rewarded for it.

I don't fault Gaia for handling it how she did, since she very clearly made the best of a bad situation, but I do hope we don't see people copying Cresil after this in the hopes of being similarly rewarded.

Exelethril

Florentino said:

I'm solidly on Cresil's side here about the imposition of RP. The answer isn't to ask permission for everything, it's for everyone to roll with it and then figure out ways to use even more RP to change undesirable permanent impacts on the apperance or personality of your character - for players, the purging fires of Adroushan, for Gaia, maybe a ritual of cleansing, molting and rebirth that you task your Order with putting together, for Sartai, a ritual execution. 

He did something epic for which his character will be remembered a long time and gave an interesting twist to a war that others have seemingly been trying their hardest to make pretty boring, so kudos. Also props to Gaia.

I believe there is a solid divide between what is acceptable and what isn't from an RP perspective, given that the implied causation has an immediate effect on the receiver without his/her consent and especially when there is such a huge disparity between what Cresil's character is(mortal) versus the Goddess of Nature. That emote reeks of opportunism from the "nothing to lose" mindset along with a lack of understanding/respect for IC Divinity - that shouldn't even have been feasible from an IC perspective.

An equivalent example would be a young, random Druid emoting cutting Sartan with a sharpened quarterstaff along with the immediate aftereffects, like a droplet of Sartan's blood falling to the ground. There was nothing epic about what he did - it was more Gaia's decision to play along.

On another note, I don't think any aligned faction has a leader with the audacity to cling to power for so long even after so many major screw ups and clear discontentment from the faction's Divine/playerbase. I don't mind losing to Mhaldor, because we did - I'm really disappointed with how a few Leath-ri/the Speaker tried to sweep the consequences of losing a war under a rug without giving Mhaldor a fair ending until something like this had to happen. Gaia is way too awesome to shoulder the incompetence of a few Eleusian leaders.

tl;dr - I agree with Jurixe and Silas.

Taraus

Silas said:

I do hope we don't see people copying Cresil after this in the hopes of being similarly rewarded.

This, but for an entirely different reason. The occasional one-off RP thing that happens is fantastic, and part of what makes it so fantastic is the rarity of it. Singular outlandish interactions with Divinity are great, they make for awesome stories, and do a whole lot to generate morale and rally players.

And while I do agree the Garden and residents need to be treated with a certain level of RP reverence, the few stories where a mortal gets a leg up on a God is the stuff legends are made of.

Cresil

Where as I agree that this sort of thing should definitely not be a daily occurrence, I disagree for the simple fact that you, Silas, make it seem like the only acceptable roleplay is planned out beforehand OOCly. Or at the very least that the RP can be made to be completely irrelevant if one party disagrees with it.

Gaia had more than one way of completely denouncing the action, and limited roleplay with Divine having to be scripted before in messages or emails limits that type of roleplay to elitists. If this was a planned event, Cresil wouldn't be the one planning it with Gaia, it'd be Ruth or some notable figure that is already known and lauded for some sort of virtue or has a rich roleplay history. This allowed me to develop Cresil a bit more as the cynical, devout Mhaldorian interested in conflict that he is. I'm just glad Silas doesn't dictate how I roleplay or what "etiquette" there is. 

Choice is always a great thing, but there shouldn't be anything wrong with forcing someone to make one. It could have been as simple as Gaia doing: emote glances down at Her delicate skin as it quickly wraps itself in thorny vines. The vines dissolve into the wound, leaving it pristine once more.

Gg, acceptable reaction, and Cresil would be known as the guy that tried to brand Gaia and failed. Fortunately, as we've all stated, Gaia is amazing and took it a step further to accept those actions and wears that mark. 

Tl;Dr Silas and others might not like his the roleplay was handled, but it happened, I was amazed, and you can't take that from me.

Talysin

Mhaldor gets all the fun toys. Undefendable branding iron, exterminate.