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  • CailinCailin Posts: 185Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    @Jurixe's ritual duels are a better example of "across-the-aisle" role-play, I would think?

    But I agree that there doesn't seem to be a LOT of that, whether it be factions working together, or... I don't know, preaching at each other.
  • SilasSilas Posts: 2,542Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    In all the time I’ve played Achaea, “across-the-aisle” roleplay has been sparing at best.

    I’m more interested in the shape of the individual factions, which ethos they’re following, how interestingly they’re doing it, etc.

  • CooperCooper IowaPosts: 4,431Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I'm Tyrannus, should answer all of your questions. 

  • KietKiet Posts: 2,827Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 18
    Silas said:
    In all the time I’ve played Achaea, “across-the-aisle” roleplay has been sparing at best.

    I’m more interested in the shape of the individual factions, which ethos they’re following, how interestingly they’re doing it, etc.
    I can't know everything about all the factions obv, but Mhaldor's been focusing on proper Evil as a whole rather than just apples+shaitan. Sartan encourages us to be more Evil in our everyday lives, and we have a lot of interactions with daemons and the inferno lately. It's a lot more like Mhaldor was pre-split, but without a lot of the baggage from back then, which is nice. We've been doing a lot of ritualism, corrupted elemental water and now have pretty red water around the island. It's going through one of those nice periods where RP and PK are both pretty strong, with lots of culture and ritualism side by side with people fighting. I run the sneaky house, and we have a hot daemon who flexes in the other house. Herenicus went IC-crazy and got himself kicked out before retiring, lol.

    Ashtan's basically friends with the chaos court now which  isn't necessarily aligned with Babel (idk). They're much more chaos focused rather than 'freedom' (which begs the question of why vastar's still there I guess), but with the loss of the old houses, especially occultists, they struggled for a while to find an RP footing and most of their warriors went inactive too. They're doing better now, though, with dunn marrying a chaos lord and recruiting a lot more fighters lately. They have a much stronger identity now than they did for that whole decade+ of just being the freedom crew + occultists doing the rp in background, but obv they still lost a lot of personalities like Flair's crew, so things are different. Almost all their notable non-pk characters now are young, which isn't a bad thing but means you won't recognize most of them.

    Hashan is still Hashan. There's no Saltaern figure (Asmodron's CL instead), so it's Hashan through all the other periods. They have an active Twilight and a fairly healthy population, though, which is nice. They're trying to refocus the city into being the city of 'scholarship' or something which is weird cause Twilight's like right there but w/e.

    Eleusis lost most of their fighters and both divine because of the usual drama between the green cyrenians and the fighting nature types. I think they've recovered a bit now, but a lot of the big name Eleusians are now Mhaldorian or rogues. Rangor's still there trucking along though.

    Cyrene is the same as always except their combat house is actually getting them to learn group combat and they're a lot less averse to conflict lately. So a lot better than 'same as always', I guess.

    Targossas is probably how you left it, but with a good sized population and less inactive dawnlords. They're doing pretty well.
    SilasXiasAegeusSaeva
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormPosts: 2,911Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Kiet said:
    Ashtan's basically friends with the chaos court now which  isn't necessarily aligned with Babel (idk). They're much more chaos focused rather than 'freedom' (which begs the question of why vastar's still there I guess) 
    Because Oblivion is not the same thing as Chaos and Vastar hasn't been freedom for a long time.

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
    Kyrra
  • KietKiet Posts: 2,827Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I get the first part, even if I think it's needless. Vastar is meant to be the Sky, though, which increasingly has little to nothing to do with Ashtan.
  • MathildaMathilda Posts: 846Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    I think I read somewhere that Vastar was re-focused to be like Change or whatever? Fast changing weather, also he has like 11340234 different personas (like how Arcadian Vastar is a whole different beast than Azatlan Vastar).
     <3 
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoPosts: 2,987Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    As far as I remember, Change  is Ourania's. He is the Storm or something like that.

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

    Kyrra
  • MathildaMathilda Posts: 846Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    @Klendathu @Kyrra enlighten us with thy lofty wisdom
     <3 
    Shirszae
  • KyrraKyrra Sanctum of the SkyPosts: 4,626Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 19
    Freedom got the boot quite a while ago when Vastar was last Patron of Ashtan prior to the Renaissance. Even back then, there was a lot of push for Ashtan to be more Chaos based, so Vastar declared for Chaos and the teachings were changed to something a lot more tangible for Vastar’s realms than a bunch of ideals to follow. Vastar isn’t Chaos but there is room for Chaos within the realm and it has a place.

    Interestingly enough, only Babel and Vastar are formally allied to Ashtan, and neither realm is Chaos. Oblivion is a part of Chaos and it is what the Nihilists base their faith on, just as the Sky and Storm are what the Farethi base their faith on.

    Part of Chaos is change and that is something Vastar advocates for to avoid stagnation. All the Farethi are very motivated and ambitious (all two of us) and a lot of importance is not only placed on striving for constant improvement in all aspects of our characters, but also having the strength to challenge ourselves to do things we tend to shy away from. It’s important to not only have goals but to figure out the steps involved to achieve them, and then seeing what can happen next instead of sitting on those achievements and declaring you’ve nothing else to look forward to or nothing else to do. 

    A lot of this can be learned in game but since I have no power or internet, I can’t log in. I really encourage some IC research though.

    There is definitely room in Ashtan for Vastar, for Babel, and for Aegis. If anything, having three amazing Gods gives people a way to express themselves further and be involved more while still being united toward Ashtan’s goals as the Seat of Chaos. The religious teachings are vastly different but they are no longer so very divided like they once were, which was a lot of the problem to Ashtan being so fractured in the past.

    Pandora is an Ashtani God but I tend to ignore the fact she exists, and I believe Kayeil has said on multiple occasions that she’d prefer if Pandora was no longer Ashtani as well. I can’t really see Mischief and goofing off as being a good fit in what Ashtan has now become.

    Edit: Sorry for the novella. Was sitting in the car to charge up my phone :(
    (D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."

    Prythe
  • KietKiet Posts: 2,827Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    tbh I think a lot of people understand vastar's explanation for being in ashtan, it just doesn't mean it's one that's satisfying. It was a change received ambivalently at best back in the day, and it mostly seemed like the ooc player behind that one vastar wanted to play with babel and his order mostly.

    as it is, vastar's ties to ashtan haven't solidified, remain shaky at best from a logical perspective, and ashtan doesn't need half a dozen gods associated to it AND the chaos court, imo.
  • MathonwyMathonwy Posts: 822Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    One of the things that Bal'met did really well was kind of narrow the Pantheon playing field to something more reasonable, given how many gods weren't and probably would never get played -- but that being said, not every god has to be a factional god, and I think the Vastar back during the Qashar days was a great example of a god that did really well, had a thriving order, and generally just did his own thing. Didn't need to be Chaos-aligned at all.

    Same thing with Neraeos and Phaestus and Scarlatti; they add a necessary depth to the world and a way for people who don't want to participate in the factional stuff to still have added and meaningful depth in their own experience.
    Saeva said:
    If Mathonwy is 2006 I wish 2007 had never come.
    Xenomorph said:
    heh. Mathowned.
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  • SilasSilas Posts: 2,542Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 19
    Vastar declared for Chaos? Dumb. Babel already claimed dominion over the Chaos Lords. If Babel is active he should be patron of Ashtan.

    Vastar trying to turn the Sky into some sort of Chaos metaphor sounds super stupid, but hey, I’m cool with bashing Arcadia so whatevs.

    ETA: Who on earth made you a HL, @Kiet? This sounds so far fetched.

    Also: Oblivion is Chaos. Don’t try and dilute it with all this silly shit.

    Xias
  • TreyTrey Posts: 4,629Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Silas said:
    Vastar declared for Chaos? Dumb. Babel already claimed dominion over the Chaos Lords. If Babel is active he should be patron of Ashtan.

    Vastar trying to turn the Sky into some sort of Chaos metaphor sounds super stupid, but hey, I’m cool with bashing Arcadia so whatevs.

    ETA: Who on earth made you a HL, @Kiet? This sounds so far fetched.

    Also: Oblivion is Chaos. Don’t try and dilute it with all this silly shit.
    Shit is strange if you haven't been around for a while, but if you were here for the progression, Kiet is decidedly (and sometimes disappointingly) no longer in it for the lulz. Instead we have someone who's an engaging, intriguing presence in Mhaldor.

  • MinifieMinifie Posts: 1,902Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Trey said:
    Silas said:
    Vastar declared for Chaos? Dumb. Babel already claimed dominion over the Chaos Lords. If Babel is active he should be patron of Ashtan.

    Vastar trying to turn the Sky into some sort of Chaos metaphor sounds super stupid, but hey, I’m cool with bashing Arcadia so whatevs.

    ETA: Who on earth made you a HL, @Kiet? This sounds so far fetched.

    Also: Oblivion is Chaos. Don’t try and dilute it with all this silly shit.
    Shit is strange if you haven't been around for a while, but if you were here for the progression, Kiet is decidedly (and sometimes disappointingly) no longer in it for the lulz. Instead we have someone who's an engaging, intriguing presence of luls in Mhaldor
    ftfy.


    (Mhaldor's Next Top Model): Taryius says, "Oops, thats not a foray. Thats two novices going at it in the wilderness."
    Tysandr
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormPosts: 2,911Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Silas said:
    Vastar declared for Chaos? Dumb. Babel already claimed dominion over the Chaos Lords. If Babel is active he should be patron of Ashtan.

    Vastar trying to turn the Sky into some sort of Chaos metaphor sounds super stupid, but hey, I’m cool with bashing Arcadia so whatevs.

    ETA: Who on earth made you a HL, @Kiet? This sounds so far fetched.

    Also: Oblivion is Chaos. Don’t try and dilute it with all this silly shit.
    Pretty much all of this is wrong. But hey, stand on the outside and make sweeping, uninformed statements, that's your prerogative :)

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
    Sobriquet
  • KietKiet Posts: 2,827Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 19
    Silas you were here when vabstar posted about how he now loved chaos how could u forget.

    Right now there's basically Babel, Chaos Lords (separate) and then the lingering Erisians that no one cares about as far as Chaos subfactions. As far as we can tell Babel isn't opposed to the Chaos Lords, and he showed up from a ritual they did, so it's not like they hate each other or anything. There's just a distinction I guess.

    Also I'm the best HL dwi. Unlike these other plebs I had to have a god approve me
  • TahquilTahquil Posts: 3,986Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 19
    @Silas I lost my looks so now I’m Stupid AND ugly.
  • KietKiet Posts: 2,827Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    silas quickly deleting tahquil off fb
  • TreyTrey Posts: 4,629Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Tahquil said:
    @Silas I lost my looks so now I’m Stupid AND ugly.
    Tuerney'd still hit it.

  • CigolCigol Posts: 8Member
    My character is a Xoran Vanquisher Runewarden. I've already taken the "nimble" trait, and I'm about to hit level 50. Right now my primary goal in the game is PvE stuff: questing and bashing.

    With this in mind would you all recommend the "robust" or "improved physique" trait? I've done some reading around and it sounds like robust might be better for PvP, but I'm not sure about PvE.
  • MathildaMathilda Posts: 846Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Go with the con!
     <3 
    Kriex
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormPosts: 2,911Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    As a runewarden, you already benefit from the best armour in the game, plus defensive runes. You can afford to put some into strength instead of con if you really want.

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
    CooperRispok
  • RispokRispok Posts: 695Member ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Health artefacts tend to cost less per than damage in credits. Traits that give damage...
  • FarrahFarrah Posts: 1,918Member, Secret Squirrel @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 19
    Kiet said:
    Silas said:
    In all the time I’ve played Achaea, “across-the-aisle” roleplay has been sparing at best.

    I’m more interested in the shape of the individual factions, which ethos they’re following, how interestingly they’re doing it, etc.

    Targossas is probably how you left it, but with a good sized population and less inactive dawnlords. They're doing pretty well.

    Wow, thanks. :(

    Targossas has changed pretty vastly from my perspective. We have a lot of younger characters who have taken over things.

    Caefir are a more active order. We burned down the Arboretum in Ashtan.

    Targossas went through a period of being the top dog faction, for the first time ever, and won another war (which we organized to be unique with terms and cool battles on Nishnatoba). We have the staff of nicator and effigy of victory.

    We finally allied with Jaru and do RP stuff there regularly now.

    There is a ton of fun RP in the city as well as strong PK and probably more overall unity than ever before. There is also new lore with, for example, the emerald mist in the city.

    The Luminai was completely restructured as well, and is now very active and has a sweet tower.

    (The Dawnlord curse has continued since I stepped down btw. Micaelis went dormant mid-term and now Atalkez's computer broke.)
    ShirszaeXiasKietTysandr
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 4,691Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    For now! I'll be back ASAP!


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    Xias
  • KriexKriex Posts: 140Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Atalkez said:
    For now! I'll be back ASAP!
    Stop getting our hopes up you filthy ps4 player.  I see you playing fortnite
    Xias
  • AtalkezAtalkez Posts: 4,691Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Kriex said:
    Atalkez said:
    For now! I'll be back ASAP!
    Stop getting our hopes up you filthy ps4 player.  I see you playing fortnite
    What else am I gonna do? :cry:


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    KriexXias
  • AralayaAralaya Posts: 1,043Member @ - Epic Achaean
    Atalkez said:
    Kriex said:
    Atalkez said:
    For now! I'll be back ASAP!
    Stop getting our hopes up you filthy ps4 player.  I see you playing fortnite
    What else am I gonna do? :cry:
    Break out your phone and log in.
    You got a city to run.


    Tecton-Today at 6:17 PM

    teehee b.u.t.t. pirates
    Kriex
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