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  • ExelethrilExelethril
    edited September 2016
    What's the rationale behind clumsy being able to affect dstab though? Makes "unstoppable" momentum classes like occie/alch harder to deal with. Then again, apples and oranges.

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  • AntoniusAntonius
    It does mean there's now a functional difference between DSTAB <target> CURARE KALMIA and DSTAB <target> KALMIA CURARE, due to the way envenoming works. With the former, your second stab has the curare (i.e. they'll never not get paralysis), but may avoid the kalmia; with the latter, your second stab has the kalmia (i.e. they'll never not get asthma), but may dodge the curare.

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • FarrahFarrah
    That's a good point. Going to have to switch my combos around. Ergh. Effort.
  • DunnDunn
    I'm just going to have a clumsy self check in my venom selection to push curare to the second stab if I'm clumsy. Can ignore that check if they're paralyzed or prone because you can't miss them even if you're clumsy. 


  • AntoniusAntonius
    Farrah said:
    That's a good point. Going to have to switch my combos around. Ergh. Effort.
    @Makarios: Any chance we could switch the order venoms are secreted on dstab so the order they're in the command matches the order they're actually stabbed? Would make it more intuitive. People can then just do DSTAB <target> KALMIA CURARE if they want the curare second/to never miss (which they probably want).

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • JinsunJinsun TN, USA
    that is sexy.
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  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena
    edited September 2016
    All envenoming is last-on, first-off. Changing venom order only for dstab doesn't make it more intuitive.

    P.S. Hitting a reflection with dstab doesn't consume the first venom layer. Dstab darkshade curare will destroy the reflection on first hit, deliver curare on second.
  • DunnDunn
    Ah shit that's annoying. Will have to adjust for that definitely...


  • AntoniusAntonius
    edited September 2016
    Krypton said:
    All envenoming is last-on, first-off. Changing venom order only for dstab doesn't make it more intuitive.

    I would strongly argue that changing the order that it secretes so that the order you specify the venoms in the command matches the order you hit with those venoms makes dstab much more intuitive. The venoms themselves would still be used last-on, first-off by the dstab, same as all other envenoming.

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • FarrahFarrah
    Oh wait. Does missing consume the venom?
  • AtalkezAtalkez
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/978174be

    Got it on the last ditch effort. Awesome fight, @Alrena!




    Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
  • DunnDunn
    edited September 2016
    Farrah said:
    Oh wait. Does missing consume the venom?
    Seems not. If you DSTAB TARGET KALMIA CURARE and you miss the first stab, the curare will hit and not the kalmia cause it's the same weapon. 


  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena
    The output for dstab venom1 venom2 already shows the venoms are #1, #2 by order envenomed. Like any other envenoming.

    You want dstab venom1 venom2 to give the secretion message for the venom in the second position, first? Yeah, intuitive.
  • AerekAerek East Tennessee, USA
    Krypton, you're a non-combatant, check your pedantic high-horse at the door.

    When a player puts in venom#1/venom#2, they expect venom #1 to hit first, then venom #2. That's how it works with every other class that uses in-line envenoming; in particular DSL is designed to apply left/right when using in-line envenoming, so that venoms are delivered first/second as one would expect. Serpent is now an odd exception to this rule because now it's the only class that delivers two venoms with the same weapon concurrently, which makes the use of in-line envenoming less intuitive than other classes that use similar mechanics.

    Switching the application order so that, yes, Dstab accounts for Achaea's first-on, last-off rule and applies venom1 second and venom2 first would make things easier for new players just learning, and for old players who have several classes that use the established in-line envenoming conventions.
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  • KryptonKrypton shi-Khurena
    edited September 2016
    So learn to deal with it. Or is combat completely brainless?

    What you said sounds like a load of irrelevance to how envenoming a single weapon works.
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  • AegothAegoth
    edited September 2016
    noncoms should know their role. Back to the kiddie table, Krypton, adults are speaking.

    things like venom order are a -big deal- and can make or break a fight. The fact that you do not understand why people are concerned about it says a lot as to why you should not be giving any sort of opinion on it
  • ArmaliArmali
    Atalkez said:
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/978174be

    Got it on the last ditch effort. Awesome fight, @Alrena!
    Last ditch? That looks pretty swank to me. That's one sexy damnation set up!
  • AtalkezAtalkez
    Was out of wp!




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  • AlrenaAlrena
    Armali said:
    Atalkez said:
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/978174be

    Got it on the last ditch effort. Awesome fight, @Alrena!
    Last ditch? That looks pretty swank to me. That's one sexy damnation set up!
    He's referring to his remaining willpower, though mine was extremely low too. We'd been fighting for quite a while before that. 
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  • AnedhelAnedhel
    edited September 2016
    SnB's so crazy for damnation. I'm so jealous :( 

    ETA: DWC fast prep, tho <3 
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the Storm
    Pre-envenoming a weapon is always last on first off. Dstab seems to follow the same logic (I know, dangerous word). You secrete Kalmia then Curare over it. The curare should it first, then the kalmia. If you miss due to clumsiness, the curare should hit.

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  • DunnDunn
    I fit my DSL venom tracking to DSTAB and realized that venom1 is actually venom2 due to the single weapon thing. I just have a swap in my DSTAB function that swaps curare to position 2 if I'm clumsy so it will just repara and miss the other venom to help with stacking. 


  • AtalkezAtalkez
    You weren't even using ice lol.




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  • ZulahZulah
    edited September 2016
    Atalkez said:
    You weren't even using ice lol.
    I was sitting on phoenix incase something silly happened. Also wasn't fighting as well as I could have. I really havn't fixed up a good combat system since coming back. Too many classes to play with.

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  • DunnDunn
    edited September 2016
    Bleak misses you with his dirk by a hair.
    Striking like a snake, Bleak follows the first attack with another.
    You feel a tightening sensation grow in your lungs.
    4643h, 5315m, 21295e, 24695w cekdb-1k
    Willibrord, an undersized black raven wounds you with a glancing cut.
    Your mind feels suddenly vacant as Revius, the black raven levels its gaze at
    you.
    4571h, 5315m, 21305e, 24695w cekdb-1k (-72h)
    What do you want to eat?
    4571h, 5315m, 21305e, 24695w cekdb-1k
    4571h, 5315m, 21305e, 24695w cekdb-1k
    You remove 1 aurum, bringing the total in the Rift to 1387.
    4571h, 5315m, 21305e, 24695w cekdb-1k
    You eat an aurum flake.
    Your bronchial tubes open up and your asthma is cured.
    4571h, 5315m, 21305e, 24695w cekdb-
    You have recovered balance on all limbs.
    [System]: Running queued eqbal command: QUEUEALIAS
    You quickly prick Bleak with your dirk. [Curare + Vernalius]
    Striking like a snake, you prick Bleak a second time with your dirk.
    Horror overcomes Bleak's face as his body stiffens into paralysis.
    4571h, 5315m, 21295e, 24695w cekdb-
    You may check someone for afflictions once again.
    4571h, 5315m, 21295e, 24695w cekdb-
    [Bleak ATE BLOODROOT]
    4571h, 5315m, 21295e, 24695w cekdb-
    Bleak misses you with his dirk by a hair.
    Striking like a snake, Bleak follows the first attack with another.
    You feel a tightening sensation grow in your lungs.

    This is why you need to swap curare positions when clumsy.


  • BannBann
    @Zulah That shield spam tho

  • AnkhareoutefAnkhareoutef
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/5348f695

    I think I should have restored instead of tumbled, but what else should I do in this situation?
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