Combat Logs

Tvistor

You got me.

Aepas

Issue:
Trample works on webbed opponents who are still standing.

That storm bull has some serious reach.

Cahin

Aepas said:

Issue:
None

Iphis

Cahin said:

Aepas said:

Issue:
You took CAHIN instead of me. 

Rangor

the Naga got vivisexed

Dunn

That's fantastic. Hydra OP.

Mizik

That timing was pretty impressive. Must have practiced for hours.

Zeon

I thought trample gave you a brief aura like enfeeble.

Dunn

Cripple does. Trample does not iirc.

Vadimuses

Tvistor, who if I recall correctly, has moved to Australia, pretty much has no chance with the vivi triggered off the hydra web.

Only kai cripple (for cripplesect) and enfeeble (for enfeeble/absolve) gives an aura.

Zeon

Sounds like an oversight.

Antonius

@Zeon: The reasoning may have been that the trample isn't guaranteed to cripple four limbs, so it's not an absolute 100% unstoppable combination, but it could still probably do with looking at.

Vaehl

Yeah a 0.5-1 second aura would be fine.

Iocun

Antonius said:

@Zeon: The reasoning may have been that the trample isn't guaranteed to cripple four limbs, so it's not an absolute 100% unstoppable combination, but it could still probably do with looking at.

And that trample has a prerequisite of a "prone" target, which cripple doesn't, but as we see above, that doesn't really change much.

I'd agree with a one second aura. Would keep trample/vivisect absolutely unchanged in 1v1 and otherwise, as long as you get them off salve balance first (and make sure they can't restore right away), but would prevent an unstoppable instant-death like above.

Vaehl

Wait, no. 0.5 and it's a deal.

Iocun

Sure, whatever. Doesn't matter much. I said one second because if you have a bad ping, you may come across latencies of half a second quite often, so one second would give it a bit more leeway, but even half a second would be fine.

Iphis

1 second aura on trample before vivisect would be bad for 1v1 combat. Ask an apostate. 

As a knight not using rapiers, off a trample-sect (1v1) I rarely will EVER have more than .5 a second from regain balance from trample to vivi. Adding an extra second onto that would kill it  

Silas

The 1s aura would be from the time of the trample, not from the time the trampler regains balance, so it would affect nothing in 1v1.

Tvistor

I've actually been using a Good-specific skillset called Saferoom to avoid gank squads of like five Mhaldorians.

I'm hoping to upgrade to using Guardstack. It allows for some offense, and with the newer tweaks there's no experience loss even if you die.

Jarrel

Iphis said:

1 second aura on trample before vivisect would be bad for 1v1 combat. Ask an apostate. 

As a knight not using rapiers, off a trample-sect (1v1) I rarely will EVER have more than .5 a second from regain balance from trample to vivi. Adding an extra second onto that would kill it  

You what? How would 1 second aura on a trample even matter 1v1 in any sort of setting?

Tvistor

You trample someone 0.01 seconds before they burst you, but now you can't vivisect them.

Iocun

nvm, ninjad.

Zeon

Yeah you can make aura as long as trample balance - nimble, without it having any effect on 1v1.

Mishgul

gtfo stop talking about it and move on.

Xer

Tvistor

Mishgul is obtuse

Mishgul

Your face is acute, ho. Now gtfo.

Iocun

Having instakill combos that you only have a few milliseconds to react to aren't really a "feature" of Achaea, but simply a sideeffect, so it would be unfair to deduce from things like this that "the game was built to be played by robots". The fact kai cripple and enfeeble were given an aura to prevent this actually proves that the admins are actually trying to reduce things like this.

Always remember that the game isn't just what it is for good, but that we, the players can actively take part in changing it. That is what classleads, the IDEA command, and the Golden Dais thread are for, among other things.

Vadimuses

That's the beautiful theory of it. Since someone will have to point this out, I will: if you don't take up the mantle to whine enough about it hard enough in face of people laughing at you and abusing it all along, it won't be fixed.

Xith

Iphis said:

Combat log:

As of 10:00 SUN CST :

You are level 94 (2nd Order of the Hyperphysical) and 0.4% of the way to the next level.

As of 19:00 SUN CST :

You are level 94 (2nd Order of the Hyperphysical) and 29.5% of the way to the next level.

Everything in between is irrelevant. 

I'll have what he's having.