Just so we don't derail the memorable quotes thread any longer.
The Divine voice of Twilight echoes in your head, "See that it is. I espy a tithe of potential in your mortal soul, Astarod Blackstone. Let us hope that it flourishes and does not falter as so many do."
Aegis, God of War says, "You are dismissed from My demense, Astarod. Go forth and fight well. Bleed fiercely, and climb the purpose you have sought to chase for."
Also literally people with any amount of COMMON SENSE know better than to go halfsies if they aren't the master of the earring.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Targossas sure as hell doesn't, and more to the point.. was her deal with Shallam?
Targossas is a new city, which yes, took the place of Shallam.. but Shallam died. Gods and all. I know we're on terms of 'technicalities' now.. but the side question is. Did she spend credits, or gold? The auctions I've seen in Hashan's shop history has been primarily gold (150k as a starter for some, credits valued at 5.5k gold).. but gone to insane prices. The most recent one I think I saw was 500cr starter that ended at 750cr. (Which the owner promptly didn't do well with the shop, sold it off to someone else they could scam for that much).
This isn't primarily a "YOU MUST PAY US THIS MUCH!" deal... This is players auctioning with eachother, driving the price up, and the city going "Well okay!" and guess what? All shop owners, in Hashan at least, are bound by the 3 strikes rule, and the scroll of being a shop owner.. which includes.
"- Any property belonging to a person who becomes an enemy of Hashan may be closed and secured by the Chancellor."
and more importantly..
"- Upon default in any term or condition of the lease, the Chancellor shall have the right to terminate the lease and repossess the shop."
I know I can speak for one shop that I have seen the wording of that was bought for that 750cr.. that was, in fact, a Long Term Lease. They paid a bunch of CR up front, and got to keep the shop for, basically a LONG ass while (more or less forseeable future). They do not own the shop. The City does. They just paid their rent upfront to the point that they never have to worry about it unless they break the rules and get evicted.
It's like paying a security deposit and expecting it back. You're much better just paying year-to-year, but sometimes people go fucking apeshit over a shop in prime real estate, for whatever reason.
Made 25x that so far.
If you're going to rent in a city (or Village) it's common knowledge that cities can take said shops as all shops in ANY city can be reclaimed.
Simply because Cyrene, afaik, doesn't take back shops from those that "bought" shops in the city doesn't equate into that being a universal concept, nor into something considered a scam.
The only place where shops are legitimately only the owners are Delos, as it's not a proper city state, region, whatever. Even then it takes admin approval (I think) to sell shops and finalize the transaction.
This is simply not the case of any player city. All land within the city is owned by the city itself, and falls under city ownership regardless of past agreements, transactions, or credits spent.
To believe otherwise is to live in a bubble. She's lucky that Targossas was willing to deal at all, or made any payment whatsoever.
The fact that other players fell for / bought their fuck up is just them pushing their mess onto someone else.
I see absolutely no reason to assume your character doesn't own a bought shop unless a city explicitly states this for their shops.
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Transfers ownership of a shop to a new person.
This is the annual rate at which shops will be taxed. Each shop will owe,
after the new year, (taxrate/100*assessed shop value). Since shops cost
the city 5000 gold each year, it behoves the city to tax them to make
up for this. If a shop has been closed for 12 continuous Achaean months,
then it will cease to be taxed, and cease to cost the city anything.
Of course I don't. Although I wonder if maybe in my old old logs.
The shop was original owned jointly by a name which escapes me right now, Alayna, maybe, and Trae. They owned it free and clear - that's how things were done in those days.
They sold it to me free and clear for what was a large amount for me then and more than 100,000. <grin>
It was a large enough amount that I had to make payments to them, which they were generous enough to allow me to do.
It was a large enough sum that when one of them needed gold for something else, another friend lent me the gold to pay them off.
Not sure how many of you are over 500 years old - or have been playing that long, but it was a very different world than it is now.
Anyway, see my previous points about buying cars and artwork. I really do not find the original price to be that important.
Glad you're not doubting my character.
- To love another person is to see the face of G/d
- Let me get my hat and my knife
- It's your apple, take a bite
- Don't dream it ... be it
See previous post for more details.
As far as subletting shops, you can do such, by allowing allies to run said shop, as you'd learn in actual shopkeeping.
I've ran shops in multiple cities. I've tried to buy a shop in Delos. There is absolutely nothing, ever, that's stopped cities from reclaiming shops.
Not today, not 500 years ago.
Every single room that's within the sphere of said city can, at anytime, be reclaimed by the city regardless. It is thiers.
You can pay thousands of credits for a shop, but this doesn't make it yours. It makes it where they can't lease it out from under you, MAYBE, but to ever believe the shop itself was yours and always will be is like believing your God will always be alive and around to interact with.
Ask Shallam how that went for them.
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Perhaps they sold said shop for 100k, ergo the amount given to her
Just because I have to follow the traffic laws IRL, have to obey police instructions, have to pay certain car taxes, and just because the government has the power to possibly even seize my car against my will, doesn't mean I don't own my car.
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The second part is partial truth. You only own stuff until you fail to follow the laws that your respective society has made, then you own nothing.
I "own" my house and land, but I'm also knowledgeable enough to know that the government could, if it so deemed, force me to sell my land, move me, or jail me if they so wished.
The only thing you truly own is yourself. Everything else is temporary.