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Cyrene specific class tree?
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Soooooooo since this is sort of one of my favorite mini hobbies, i'll just toss this out there.I enjoy making up skill concepts and once thought of one for Cyrene. It was based on bard where they would drop swashbuckling to take up an artistic pursuit which had in it both explosive flavor and 'explosive' power.The idea was that Cyrene, being a center of artistic pursuit and passion would undergo disaster (as recently happened). Because of this, the population would be reduced and the remnants scarred, taking a new outlook on life. With such heavy loss, the artists and muses decide to take up their talents in a more military fashion to ensure the safety of their people while also expressing their creative outlook. No longer merely to enjoy the fantasies of their designs,they would bring their designs to 'perfect' the world around them into a 'better place'. Their art is an expression of beauty, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.The skill would utilize: Clay, inks, paper.With paper they would create a form of magical origami which can be used to send out 'creations' for unique abilities, like a bird to attack a target in the air.The clay could be crafted into unique items and concepts, perfected into 'explosive' clay laterThe inks could be used with colors to cause effects or draw illustrations upon paper and bring them to life.Some of this inspiration is from some of my favorite anime abilities (suffer Mathonwy), examples below:
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So first, bringing this over from the "what happened to you today" thread:Synthus said:I mean... Cyrene has the Virtuosi, so it might make sense to adopt a new skill tree onto Bard... While I'd love to see something done with dirges or the souls of the lost, I think that's gonna be a hard sale thematically...
With Neraeos as our patron, what about Shanties to replace Harmonics?
That, or if we want to go with the other official/unofficial patron of Phaestus, we could have Chanting, which is more songs akin to Tolkien dwarves?
"Far over, the snowy Vashnars high... To Azdun deep and Mhojave dry..."
I know knights already have a lot of love with the weaponmastery specialisations, but what about shifting Chivalry around to Vengeance?
Less "Noble" or "Stalwart" options, more "I'm going to rip your throat out" options. Swap the falcon out for a wyrm hatchling which can be empowered in a variety of ways tied in directly to Runelore. Sketching a hugalaz on it makes it bite icy and do more damage, isaz makes it knock enemies off balance occasionally, and Pithakhan does it's usual drain mana, but it returns a portion to you. I think fehu as a sleep on hit is a cool idea but it would be a poor idea to implement from a mechanical standpoint.
Beyond that, maybe give bard a spear, a wyrm pet instead of a songbird, shift some songs to more like dirges and chants, and let them summon their inner Vashnarian dragoon? I mean, that makes a lot more sense than trying to shoehorn it into knight thematically, but with all the scattershot work to make it happen, it might as well be a new class at that point. That being said though, bards can already leap high, these "dragoons" would have trained in the mountains so nothing new there, and there's a decent bit of lore possibility that could explain it. A cooperative venture between the Shield and numerous Cyrenean citizens led to the adoption of unorthodox battle tactics in an effort to make sure the Tsol'teth massacre never happened again.
"Dragoon" wouldn't be able to be used as the name though... Hrm... Wyrmcaller?2 -
Asmodron said:Soooooooo since this is sort of one of my favorite mini hobbies, i'll just toss this out there.I enjoy making up skill concepts and once thought of one for Cyrene. It was based on bard where they would drop swashbuckling to take up an artistic pursuit which had in it both explosive flavor and 'explosive' power.The idea was that Cyrene, being a center of artistic pursuit and passion would undergo disaster (as recently happened). Because of this, the population would be reduced and the remnants scarred, taking a new outlook on life. With such heavy loss, the artists and muses decide to take up their talents in a more military fashion to ensure the safety of their people while also expressing their creative outlook. No longer merely to enjoy the fantasies of their designs,they would bring their designs to 'perfect' the world around them into a 'better place'. Their art is an expression of beauty, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.The skill would utilize: Clay, inks, paper.With paper they would create a form of magical origami which can be used to send out 'creations' for unique abilities, like a bird to attack a target in the air.The clay could be crafted into unique items and concepts, perfected into 'explosive' clay laterThe inks could be used with colors to cause effects or draw illustrations upon paper and bring them to life.Some of this inspiration is from some of my favorite anime abilities (suffer Mathonwy), examples below:2
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Asmodron said:Soooooooo since this is sort of one of my favorite mini hobbies, i'll just toss this out there.I enjoy making up skill concepts and once thought of one for Cyrene. It was based on bard where they would drop swashbuckling to take up an artistic pursuit which had in it both explosive flavor and 'explosive' power.The idea was that Cyrene, being a center of artistic pursuit and passion would undergo disaster (as recently happened). Because of this, the population would be reduced and the remnants scarred, taking a new outlook on life. With such heavy loss, the artists and muses decide to take up their talents in a more military fashion to ensure the safety of their people while also expressing their creative outlook. No longer merely to enjoy the fantasies of their designs,they would bring their designs to 'perfect' the world around them into a 'better place'. Their art is an expression of beauty, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.The skill would utilize: Clay, inks, paper.With paper they would create a form of magical origami which can be used to send out 'creations' for unique abilities, like a bird to attack a target in the air.The clay could be crafted into unique items and concepts, perfected into 'explosive' clay laterThe inks could be used with colors to cause effects or draw illustrations upon paper and bring them to life.Some of this inspiration is from some of my favorite anime abilities (suffer Mathonwy), examples below:
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I'd be more interested in seeing a Runewarden variation where Chivalry gets replaced with something like Wyrmriding (but draconic icewyrms instead of the lake wyrms). Would largely be a bulwark type class, focusing on tanking and support utility, such as smashing walls, freezing ground and opponents, summoning hail storms, stomping to throw opponents off balance or gusting with wings to prone, as well as perhaps the ability to dive bomb outdoor locations, slamming into the ground and hurling people from the room indiscriminately. Riders would be restricted to use of a spear, lance, or trident while mounted as part of the skillset, giving them abilities such as Impale (without disembowl, but maybe a variation of it where the rider drags the corpse while pinned), but could otherwise employ Weaponmastery when dismounted.Kinda picturing small, bulky wyrms with powerful wings capable of flight, but mainly used in the intent of heavy cavalry. Something like this:Each rider would have a special bond with their wyrm, just like with falcons, and would be responsible for seeing it properly taken care of less they lose it. Could be a bit of a bonding ritual that takes inspiration from Runic empowering where the rider has to perform a question to secure an egg (kind of like Blademasters getting their swords made), then hatch and raise the wyrmling and train it to adulthood.
I'm not sure if this concept already exists in other IRE games, as I've not played them, but there is a heavy reference to this sort of thing in a lot of fantasy settings, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Kresslack said:I'd be more interested in seeing a Runewarden variation where Chivalry gets replaced with something like Wyrmriding (but draconic icewyrms instead of the lake wyrms). Would largely be a bulwark type class, focusing on tanking and support utility, such as smashing walls, freezing ground and opponents, summoning hail storms, stomping to throw opponents off balance or gusting with wings to prone, as well as perhaps the ability to dive bomb outdoor locations, slamming into the ground and hurling people from the room indiscriminately. Riders would be restricted to use of a spear, lance, or trident while mounted as part of the skillset, giving them abilities such as Impale (without disembowl, but maybe a variation of it where the rider drags the corpse while pinned), but could otherwise employ Weaponmastery when dismounted.Kinda picturing small, bulky wyrms with powerful wings capable of flight, but mainly used in the intent of heavy cavalry. Something like this:Each rider would have a special bond with their wyrm, just like with falcons, and would be responsible for seeing it properly taken care of less they lose it. Could be a bit of a bonding ritual that takes inspiration from Runic empowering where the rider has to perform a question to secure an egg (kind of like Blademasters getting their swords made), then hatch and raise the wyrmling and train it to adulthood.
I'm not sure if this concept already exists in other IRE games, as I've not played them, but there is a heavy reference to this sort of thing in a lot of fantasy settings, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Ok, everything I just read about that sounds awesome and would fit well with Cyrene. I don't hate it. Yes please.
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Kresslack said:Ok, everything I just read about that sounds awesome and would fit well with Cyrene. I don't hate it. Yes please.
Zerker best class tho.
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Vhaith said:Asmodron said:Soooooooo since this is sort of one of my favorite mini hobbies, i'll just toss this out there.I enjoy making up skill concepts and once thought of one for Cyrene. It was based on bard where they would drop swashbuckling to take up an artistic pursuit which had in it both explosive flavor and 'explosive' power.The idea was that Cyrene, being a center of artistic pursuit and passion would undergo disaster (as recently happened). Because of this, the population would be reduced and the remnants scarred, taking a new outlook on life. With such heavy loss, the artists and muses decide to take up their talents in a more military fashion to ensure the safety of their people while also expressing their creative outlook. No longer merely to enjoy the fantasies of their designs,they would bring their designs to 'perfect' the world around them into a 'better place'. Their art is an expression of beauty, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.The skill would utilize: Clay, inks, paper.With paper they would create a form of magical origami which can be used to send out 'creations' for unique abilities, like a bird to attack a target in the air.The clay could be crafted into unique items and concepts, perfected into 'explosive' clay laterThe inks could be used with colors to cause effects or draw illustrations upon paper and bring them to life.Some of this inspiration is from some of my favorite anime abilities (suffer Mathonwy), examples below:
So basically everyone is on an Imperian vibe?
Seriously though, I love the "sketch comes to life" and the "wyrmrider" ideas. I guess that's why they're an actual thing, because they're good ideas! The wyrms have a better RP explanation though.2 -
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Hmm with dragon being a main symbol for Cyrene, I wish Runewarden could branch off to where instead of a falcon, we could get a mini dragon and polearm so we could play as a Dragoon. daydream ... off to play FF for a bit of dragoon
love the ideas you all came up with and wouldn't mind seeing something like them down the road.
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Skye said:... Someone mentioned muskets. Would move back to Cyrene for muskets
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Is Hycanthus an actual cyrene loyal now or just sleeping on the couch though?0
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Erza said:Hmm with dragon being a main symbol for Cyrene, I wish Runewarden could branch off to where instead of a falcon, we could get a mini dragon and polearm so we could play as a Dragoon. daydream ... off to play FF for a bit of dragoon
love the ideas you all came up with and wouldn't mind seeing something like them down the road.
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Kresslack said:I'd be more interested in seeing a Runewarden variation where Chivalry gets replaced with something like Wyrmriding (but draconic icewyrms instead of the lake wyrms). Would largely be a bulwark type class, focusing on tanking and support utility, such as smashing walls, freezing ground and opponents, summoning hail storms, stomping to throw opponents off balance or gusting with wings to prone, as well as perhaps the ability to dive bomb outdoor locations, slamming into the ground and hurling people from the room indiscriminately. Riders would be restricted to use of a spear, lance, or trident while mounted as part of the skillset, giving them abilities such as Impale (without disembowl, but maybe a variation of it where the rider drags the corpse while pinned), but could otherwise employ Weaponmastery when dismounted.Kinda picturing small, bulky wyrms with powerful wings capable of flight, but mainly used in the intent of heavy cavalry. Something like this:Each rider would have a special bond with their wyrm, just like with falcons, and would be responsible for seeing it properly taken care of less they lose it. Could be a bit of a bonding ritual that takes inspiration from Runic empowering where the rider has to perform a question to secure an egg (kind of like Blademasters getting their swords made), then hatch and raise the wyrmling and train it to adulthood.
I'm not sure if this concept already exists in other IRE games, as I've not played them, but there is a heavy reference to this sort of thing in a lot of fantasy settings, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Gosh I'm loving all these ideas people are sharing. Please keep them coming0 -
Just pondering some more, there is a number of classes that Cyrene accepts and would only be fair that they might all recieve a little special something. Jesters might, instead of that inflatable giraffe balloon, can be a Cyrenian drake.
That's just one thought that came to me a few moments ago, need more0 -
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True enough, was trying to include them all and entertain the thought, it's just fun.0
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Erza said:Hmm with dragon being a main symbol for Cyrene, I wish Runewarden could branch off to where instead of a falcon, we could get a mini dragon and polearm so we could play as a Dragoon. daydream ... off to play FF for a bit of dragoon
love the ideas you all came up with and wouldn't mind seeing something like them down the road.
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Asmodron said:Erza said:Hmm with dragon being a main symbol for Cyrene, I wish Runewarden could branch off to where instead of a falcon, we could get a mini dragon and polearm so we could play as a Dragoon. daydream ... off to play FF for a bit of dragoon
love the ideas you all came up with and wouldn't mind seeing something like them down the road.
A rendition
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Erza said:Hmm with dragon being a main symbol for Cyrene, I wish Runewarden could branch off to where instead of a falcon, we could get a mini dragon and polearm so we could play as a Dragoon. daydream ... off to play FF for a bit of dragoon
love the ideas you all came up with and wouldn't mind seeing something like them down the road.
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Keorin said:Clearly we need bladefire.0
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