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“Please don’t give us divine, we don’t like that divine do divine things.”Don’t speak on behalf of eleusis again IMO. You are just asking for the city to be shallam’d with that mindset.
O.M.G.Everyone that criticised my post. Please, take the time to re-read it.
And that was just one incident in a whole host of incidents that divided the player base in Eleusis and sent it spiralling for a ball of wax. The Eleusian community became fractured and a massive divide formed between those who PvP and those who don't.An Eleusian Patron/Matron that wants to be successful, will have to understand that getting the average Eleusian into action, requires Love as the core emotional motivator. Trying to get that with fear, hate or anger as a core motivator, has and will fail!I've tested this, time and again: If you want Eleusians to band together and kick ass in a team effort, pull on their heart strings. Forget about ideology and/or gods, go for the feels and you'll get an overwhelming response.
Lenn said:She later sent me a message like "actually you're okay" because Lenn helped restore forests pretty actively, but by that point I had lost all interest in playing a faction that the gods try very hard to tell the majority of its players they're wrong for how they want to play.
If a God saying "do my will" doesn't motivate you to do anything ...
Did you think that, potentially, she had tried being supportive ...
Athelas said:With Artemis and Gaia at the helm, things were being said and done that left little room for
interpretation: hard-core combatants were the only ones considered
anything other than pathetic losers.
Eleusian Patron/Matron that wants to be successful, will have to
understand that getting the average Eleusian into action, requires Love
as the core emotional motivator. Trying to get that with fear, hate or
anger as a core motivator, has and will fail!
An Eleusian Patron/Matron that wants to be successful, will have to understand that getting the average Eleusian into action, requires Love as the core emotional motivator. Trying to get that with fear, hate or anger as a core motivator, has and will fail!I've tested this, time and again: If you want Eleusians to band together and kick ass in a team effort, pull on their heart strings. Forget about ideology and/or gods, go for the feels and you'll get an overwhelming response.
If you as a player in the faction of NATURE are not motivated by the God of NATURE, then you shouldn’t be even playing there. What is this thought process??
@Minifie You play the game you want to play, I'll play the game I want to play.This isn't a good mindset to have, when you're playing in a faction where your ideals are already made for you. If you're not actively promoting a healthy relationship with your NATURE gods, when you're in a place that protects NATURE (aka, not Lupus or Demeter) then fuck off.Sorry, not sorry! One of the core things that makes the Eleusian community, is the fact that the gods do not motivate them. This has been the case since long before the whole house destruction thing. In fact, if you take a look at the relationship between divine and forestalls, historically, forestalls get screwed by their patrons. So, yea ... Forestalls have learned not to blindly trust their patrons. i.e. An Eleusian patron/matron that wants to be successful, will have to work at winning that trust and keeping it.Good luck with that. If Eleusis wants a patron in the first place, they'll have to prove they're not entitled pricks that'll just make the Divine leave when they get one. By the way it wasn't like that before the whole house destruction thing, I dunno where the flying hell you got that idea. When people like Jhui, Xio, Penwize etc were all active in Eleusis, and Artemis was active, the city was actually good to play in. Eleusis has never been screwed by their Divine. It has been screwed by shitty players, making shitty decisions when other shitty players put them into power.Actually, you could say that about Artemis in the beginning, but my experience with Gaia ... no, most definitely not. Gaia was quite loudly and clearly anti-anyone that wasn't from a very, very, very specific little group of Eleusians. That much was made abundantly clear, by both Gaia directly, and senior members from her order.No. Just no. Gaia was against people who didn't want to actually contribute to Nature, and help actually nurture Eleusis' growth. There was a very significant divide between the players in the Heartwood and the Scions when the houses were made, and Gaia tried to mend it. The players actively worked against anything she tried to do, then pulled the "We dindu nuffin!" card when she left. Fuck off with that entirely.
Which honestly is enough reason to have Gaia and Artemis fuse together to form Terra, the new goddess of nature who combines peace and fury, and is 100% more immune to mind control than ever before.
If I recall, people were worried one of them got mind controlled. Again.As in, it's happened before.Which honestly is enough reason to have Gaia and Artemis fuse together to form Terra, the new goddess of nature who combines peace and fury, and is 100% more immune to mind control than ever before.Just stick some blatant flavour text how her will is her own and she speaks for nature, and you're good.
Pyori said:... then fuck off. ...
Successfully functioning, independently, for centuries
Successfully functioning is a bit of a stretch. Also it wasn't 'independently' for centuries, considering Eleusis had Divine a few times before and after the Renaissance. The ideals weren't really changed by the Renaissance, they were solidified because people weren't actually living up to said ideals in the first place, before the destruction of the houses. Then people didn't like that they couldn't be lazy, you can fuck right off saying that 'Love' is fundamental to Eleusis' success. You have zero clue whatsoever about Gaia or Artemis (the only real Nature gods), if you think that's the case. Selene was never Eleusis' patron, bud.And yes. You can blame them for shunning the Divine that they asked to have, just because it didn't align with the players' shitty mindsets. Then turn around and cry when that Divine ups and leaves. If you just wanna stagnate on the same shit that you've been doing (which wasn't working, despite what you want to claim), and not give a toss about what your Divine think/wanna do, you absolutely do not deserve a patron in the first place.
Athelas said:3. You seem to have a very different experience of Eleusis than I have. From my perspective, I like Eleusis exactly the way it is right now. Your metrics for success, are not my metrics for success.