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But you can't be nonchalant about stuff like your ideals towards Nature. If so, no Gaia will want to return. And yes.. Nature needs a Gaia. More than any other.
Sometimes the best things to do is start over.
Everyone that criticised my post. Please, take the time to re-read it.
Did I say: Don't give us nature divine? Or did I ask for Demeter or Lupus perhaps?
Did I say: I do not appreciate the effort admin put into gods? Or did I say that Artemis and Gaia was a mistake?
That kind of Divine attitude works in Mhaldor, it does not work in Eleusis!
Motivating Mhaldor players can justifiably be done with hate and anger. The average Eleusian player however, responds very negatively to that kind of thing.
So, when Gaia stood at Atop and started screaming at all Eleusis, telling them that they all suck and that only one or two were even worth her consideration, the whole Eleusian community fell to pieces. In that one move, Gaia lost a tremendous amount of respect, credibility and support.
I've tested this, time and again: If you want Eleusians to band together and kick ass in a team effort, pull on their heart strings. Forget about ideology and/or gods, go for the feels and you'll get an overwhelming response.
If you don't like your city's patron, leave. Don't tell them to.
The soul of Ashmond says, "Always with the sniping."
(Clan): Ictinus says, "Stop it Jiraishin, you're making me like you."
I did, it's still wrong.
Did I say: I do not appreciate the effort admin put into gods? Or did I say that Artemis and Gaia was a mistake?
With Artemis and Gaia at the helm, things were being said and done that left little room for interpretation: hard-core combatants were the only ones considered anything other than pathetic losers.
That kind of Divine attitude works in Mhaldor, it does not work in Eleusis!
Motivating Mhaldor players can justifiably be done with hate and anger. The average Eleusian player however, responds very negatively to that kind of thing.
So, when Gaia stood at Atop and started screaming at all Eleusis, telling them that they all suck and that only one or two were even worth her consideration, the whole Eleusian community fell to pieces. In that one move, Gaia lost a tremendous amount of respect, credibility and support.
Did you think that, potentially, she had tried being supportive, but the community of Eleusis, for the most part, just did shit fuck all? Instead of looking outwards for fixes, look inwards. Even when I was briefly in eleusis it was an abhorrent shitfight between PK and non-PK, which could have been fixed by non-PK pushing harder conflict in proselytising, teaching, instigation. If you don't even want to take part in city defense, once again, why are you even IN a city, and worst case, you can just /journal.
Also, Mhaldor isn't motivated by "hate and anger", You see it that way because you have your blinders on. Mhaldor, just like any city, is internally spurred with Divine oversight to ensure our direction is the way the Gods want it to be. If Gaia and Artemis want Eleusis' nature to be rampant growth and domination of city dwellers, guess what, that's what Eleusis' nature is gonna be. You can leave the city if you disagree with it.
tl:dr if you want smoochy huggie wuggie fun time, rogue is an option.
I think there was one other self-declared pacifist at the time, and they were a total novice unsure if play style the was even possible.
She later sent me a message like "actually you're okay" because Lenn helped restore forests pretty actively, but by that point I had lost all interest in playing a faction that the gods try very hard to tell the majority of its players they're wrong for how they want to play.
For community?
For all the other stuff cities do?
The vast amount of things this game has that have nothing to do with PK or even conflict?
What even is this argument?
Eleusis should respond with savagery, not love love kiss kiss. That mentality is the problem.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Reaching down with a massive hand, Sartan lifts your head and draws a taloned finger across your throat, the wound closing as He does so.
For clarification though:
Sorry, not sorry! One of the core things that makes the Eleusian community, is the fact that the gods do not motivate them. This has been the case since long before the whole house destruction thing. In fact, if you take a look at the relationship between divine and forestalls, historically, forestalls get screwed by their patrons. So, yea ... Forestalls have learned not to blindly trust their patrons. i.e. An Eleusian patron/matron that wants to be successful, will have to work at winning that trust and keeping it.
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Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
As in, it's happened before.
Which honestly is enough reason to have Gaia and Artemis fuse together to form Terra, the new goddess of nature who combines peace and fury, and is 100% more immune to mind control than ever before.
Just stick some blatant flavour text how her will is her own and she speaks for nature, and you're good.
This. If you're in it for community, but don't want to actively defend that community, then that's a pretty selfish attitude. I want all this, but without doing any work to make sure it stays like this.
Imagine if a plot by Babel involved taking control of Deucalion for a few years.
How could you put absolute faith in him knowing that can happen, that at any point, he could subtly be poisoning the very thing he stands for?
It's ridiculous.
No ... that was never going to work. You can flame me as much as you like, but honestly, just take a moment to think about it.
If you have a community that has not had divine intervention for centuries, who have established their own laws, regulations, government, processes, procedures etc. Successfully functioning, independently, for centuries ... do you really expect it to have gone any other way than it did?
The players simply rejected the whole idea, and continued playing the game they have been playing and want to play.
Can you blame them?
The soul of Ashmond says, "Always with the sniping."
(Clan): Ictinus says, "Stop it Jiraishin, you're making me like you."
In a hypothetical Deucalion corruption, I suspect he’d incinerate himself, either before the control could fully take or the first moment that it falters.
Ive never really experienced any divine interactions myself. I saw Deucalion say something in the city channel once and that’s it. I bet it’s a really fun experience, hard to imagine a faction just not wanting it given all the things they could do to make the game more interesting.
Maybe it’s awful and we’re better off independent, I’ll let you know how I feel about things after something happens I guess.
1. Our definitions of the word "Love" is quite obviously vastly different. When I use it, I do not mean it's carnal definition. Please re-read my posts with that in mind.
2. Nothing I've said is an attack on the person/persons that play/have played Gaia. If you read it that way, that's your choice.
3. You seem to have a very different experience of Eleusis than I have. From my perspective, I like Eleusis exactly the way it is right now. Your metrics for success, are not my metrics for success. Again! You play the game you want. I'll play the game I want. That is part of what makes Achaea great.
4. If keeping Eleusis free of the PvP vs Non-PvP division that existed while it's patrons were active, means that we may not have patrons again ... so be it. As a player I'd rather not have patrons, than have ones that cause in-fighting among the characters.
5. YES! I'm aware that you state that this is not what happened. Even if that's the case, that is not how I experienced it. Everything I've written here, is quite obviously from MY point of view. If you would like to change that point of view, you might want to use fewer expletives and more honest conversation.
Yea, I am actually open to having my mind changed, but not while I'm being cursed at.
I didn't want to get into this, because I don't want to even say slightly negative things about an org I enjoy so much, but we don't even have an MoC. We also have no HR in the Kin, which is a big part of Eleusian culture, and we can barely manage raids and defense. We seem to be slowly dying in every area. Players just putter around doing little daily things, and few have the inspiration to do special Eleusian things, like sermons or rituals, or ANYTHING really.
There was a time that I thought things were looking up, that we were improving and would soon be a strong faction again... But it petered out. We now seem to be heading towards "what's a Hashan" status.
And we've been through plenty of galvanizing events, wars, different sorts of leadership, and whatnot, none of which had any lasting positive effect. So I can only conclude that what we really need is a Divine.
And maybe you think that things are fine the way they are. After all, Eleusis is still a nice place to live / play in. But I'd like to see Eleusis mean something... And I'm afraid that it may keep dying til it's dead. Maybe not, maybe I'm just being paranoid. Still, vibrant would be nice, regardless.