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If you could delete one skill, what would it be?

XadenXaden Member Posts: 2,315 @@ - Legendary Achaean
edited November 2017 in North of Thera
Inspired by a few recent discussions. Options are my personal peeves that I know are shared by various others. Keep it to skills, not artefacts.
     He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.

If you could delete one skill, what would it be? 76 votes

Evade
9%
DaeirAmranuXadenLucianusTorinnIssamSolnir 7 votes
Touch Web
14%
AntidasExelethrilMelodieJonathinKenwaySidoniaAtalkezFarrahDevranMathildaTysandr 11 votes
Grove Summon
2%
TaryiusXias 2 votes
Radiance
19%
TreyJarrodSobriquetAsmodronAdaMorthifAccipiterAegothHuraiShaydeSirrionCailanCyrZackeryEudemus 15 votes
Displace
0%
Piety
7%
MizikTiamatCaliraLeviticusHerutarTaryius 6 votes
Gravehands
15%
RangorAlstonUtianimaShirszaeKayeilSneijderKayleElipiseAralayaSalisaAzareAcrius 12 votes
Other (specify in comments)
30%
AchillesPeakAntoniusPenwizeAlrenaDochithaSaevaAustereCrixosRekhyrYselaMindshellAnzeKythraKeorinMinifieNazihkKoganTelinusReyson 23 votes
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Comments

  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaMember Posts: 2,377 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Where's ret?
    (Mhaldor): Herenicus says, "Apologies, I am in-and-out of hold with Verizon wireless customer service."
  • NazihkNazihk Member Posts: 991 @ - Epic Achaean
    Other (specify in comments)
    Retardation.

    It's a zero-cost one-button ability that's boring in 1v1 and which turns group fights into ugly zero-skill clusterfucks. 
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 4,725 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Touch Web
    Nazihk said:
    Retardation.

    It's a zero-cost one-button ability that's boring in 1v1 and which turns group fights into ugly zero-skill clusterfucks. 
    Disagree with the bolded. Takes skill to continue to fight in retardation, imo.


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    PrytheAntidasAchillesUtianima
  • ReysonReyson Member Posts: 512 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Other (specify in comments)
    I think I'd get rid of the no-prep-required health-based instant kills! 

    But if we're talking about reworks, not just straight up axing them out of the game, I'd like tzantza, petrify, and enlighten to have tougher reqs. 
    Saeva
  • XadenXaden Member Posts: 2,315 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Evade
    Can't believe I forgot ret :(
         He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.

  • KietKiet Member Posts: 2,927 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited November 2017
    xaden ruins things yet again :angry:
    CaelanHalosUtianima
  • MinifieMinifie Member Posts: 1,952 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Other (specify in comments)
    Retato


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  • AsmodronAsmodron Member Posts: 2,529 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Radiance
    One 'skill'?

    Puppetry....Give jesters something unique

    One 'ability'?

    Out of the ones I loathe....Radiance...I utterly detest the concept of this ability...
  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,020 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Radiance
    Radiance. Totally risk free one button kill opportunity. Zero skill, zero risk, maximum annoyance. 
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  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,559 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Other (specify in comments)
    Nazihk said:
    Retardation.

    It's a zero-cost one-button ability that's boring in 1v1 and which turns group fights into ugly zero-skill clusterfucks. 
    I literally just rewrote parts of my system last week to (hopefully) handle retardation better, so I'd sort of hate for all of that effort to be wasted.

    Honestly, I'd rather get rid of Aeon (both Tarot and Aeonics) than Retardation. Retardation is annoying but affects everybody equally. Aeon in group fights (especially when triggered on burst) is one of the most rage-inducing things left in the game though.

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  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,276 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Evade
    I'd be down for deleting radiance. Just gimme area wide mind crush back.
  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,020 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Radiance
    Daeir said:
    I'd be down for deleting radiance. Just gimme area wide mind crush back.
    I assume you're trolling here
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  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember Posts: 6,276 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Evade
    Sobriquet said:
    Daeir said:
    I'd be down for deleting radiance. Just gimme area wide mind crush back.
    I assume you're trolling here
    Yep. Dunno what they'd replace radiance with though. Would be interesting to think about.
  • SolnirSolnir Member Posts: 712 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Evade
    Fuck evade.
    XiasTorinnHalosXaden
  • AlyxeriAlyxeri Member Posts: 467 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited November 2017
    Other (specify in comments)
    Not so much delete, but I'd prefer if stuff like gravehands/piety etc stopped firing off when the people who placed them were no longer in the room. Or, in the very least, not within like a 2-room radius of them.

    If I had to choose something though, it'd probably be vitals-based instakills. Not just health ones, but mana ones too. I'd rather stuff like dictate/absolve/incinerate/etc have actual requirements beyond "lol they got hit for half their health/mana in a group, go kill them" - and I don't mean 'actual requirements' like being prone a la crescent kick, more like dismember requiring them be trussed and impaled. Brokenstar would probably be in the list too, even though BM isn't nearly as obnoxious. They already have the tools to be able to have 'fun' requirements for the kill, as opposed to just 'lel bleeding'
  • SaevaSaeva Member Posts: 1,938 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Other (specify in comments)
    I would want to see forced commands disappear. Being able to force anyone to do any command at any time time for any reason, has always really bothered me. Dpepthswalker is now the most annoyingly offender.


    Asmodron
  • AralayaAralaya Member Posts: 1,098 @ - Epic Achaean
    Gravehands
    Gravehands.


    Tecton-Today at 6:17 PM

    teehee b.u.t.t. pirates
  • TaryiusTaryius Member Posts: 434 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Piety
    I don't know how I did it but I ended up voting for two things that I wasn't super serious about, Piety and Grove Summon.

    So I guess my stance is remove all of them? Yeah that. 
  • XadenXaden Member Posts: 2,315 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Evade
    You broke it :(
         He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.

    Taryius
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,008 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Gravehands
    I hate things like gravehands/piety/distort, but I am not sure I'd actually want them deleted. Not a fan of ret either.

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    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • CooperCooper IowaMember Posts: 4,523 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Right now distort or aeon would be my choice. I forgot to classlead distort having a counter like gravehands/piety do and it has been annoying me a lot.

  • PenwizePenwize Member Posts: 1,364 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Other (specify in comments)
    Aeon's balanced for 1v1 but absurdly powerful in groups.  I dislike that ret is an ability that so heavily favors those who spend the time to write an entire second combat+curing system.  If I had to pick, it'd be ret, but ideally both of them could be replaced.
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 4,725 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Touch Web
    I mean, that’s putting it a bit strong. I don’t have an entirely different curing system or offense. I have aliases that queue stuff, unless ret variable then I just send regular. I let SS handle my curing for me. IMO, isn’t that difficult to adjust to. If anything it cuts the power of automation pretty significantly, unless you took the time to script every single possible scenario in retardation, which is.....a lot.


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  • AegothAegoth Member Posts: 2,513 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Radiance
    yea, coding for ret takes about 2 seconds.. just add one simple if statement to your attacks, bam. Then it jist becomes a matter of practicing in it and devising tactics that can be used to the greatest effect
    Antidas
  • AlrenaAlrena Member Posts: 639 @ - Epic Achaean
    Other (specify in comments)
    Definitely Aeon. It's annoyingly easy in groups and it doesn't matter how good someone is once they get aeoned in a group fight, they're dead. 

    I don't agree Ret takes a significant amount of skill, since the simple plans work best there, but I also don't think it's such a huge problem that it should be deleted. Maybe it should auto-muffle if the Magi leaves the room for longer than 5 seconds, though.
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    Dochitha
  • MathildaMathilda Member Posts: 868 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Touch Web
    My ret 'system' is literally pause system, curing off, gut person aconite :D
     <3 
    TorinnCaelanAntidasAsmodron
  • XiasXias Member Posts: 253 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Grove Summon
    Grove Summon. It throws off my sense of direction hardcore, and usually leads to me getting mollywhopped by the casting group.

    Sure, it can be countered by having your party follow you but only if everyone is quick to the draw.

    I'd take Gravehands or Radiance any day.
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