No Achaean Language

Aralaya

so I don't know about you but I would not be opposed to keeping this change and I'm interested to see who agrees.

Morthif

it's the april fools joke no matter how much we'd rather @Daeir's artefact choice to be it.

Aralaya

I really want this to be a permanent thing

Minifie

Morthif said:

it's the april fools joke no matter how much we'd rather @Daeir's artefact choice to be it.

The joke is the price xD

Adrak

Aralaya said:

I really want this to be a permanent thing

Have fun giving House tests, chatting with friends on a ship, trying to hold a public debate, trying to hold a ritual, or basically anything that requires a group of people to talk.

Aralaya

A) Most houses use city and racial languages
Cheap necklaces that can translate if need be
C) it doesn't make sense, at least to me, to have a universal language

Ryzeth

Should just go Aetolia's route from last year's april fools. Remove TELLs and SAYs entirely. Make everyone have to speak in emotes.
#immersion

Ismay

This would be such a bad thing. Seriously. Talk about hindering interaction/RP. Yeah, would be awful.

Ryzeth

Ismay said:

This would be such a bad thing. Seriously. Talk about hindering interaction/RP. Yeah, would be awful.

MKO did it perfectly fine for years. I can safely guarantee you the language "barrier" between races was not really a huge reason for its low population. All it does is encourage you to learn other racial languages, or have one of those necklaces (that only cost like 1k) that let you understand (but not talk) other languages.

Muh RP. Lul.

Ismay

And you see where MKO is now. Language barrier may not have been all of it, but in my case, it was a huge reason why I didn't play. Language barrier and movement restrictions killed MKO for me.

Tahquil

MKO was canned because of licencing cost reasons. Money was the only factor in its closing, not anything to do with how they handled their language system.

Ellodin

i actually would like this quite a bit, though i can see why it would be obnoxious. it's like playing discworld mud back in the day and going to agatea as a morporkian. of course, you can cheat around it with emotes, but i actually enjoy it for immersion. make necklaces of comprehension great again

edit: also opens up the scintillating rp avenue of racism

Kogan

All this would do is make Necklace of Comprehension an HR1 requirement. Pointless and annoying.

Armali

Did you guys forget that city languages exist?

Virgo

I think it'd be fun.

Kayeil

Though I don't know what the code is like, seems from the outside like an awful lot of work for a functionality that becomes moot with a comprehension necklace. Also, it just becomes some other random worn item I don't even really like. I would actually prefer to cut down on how much I am wearing if possible, like allowing us to attach Shop of Wonders artefact to other artefacts.

Jayden

The one thing that stands out is that the world feels bigger. Interactions with foreigners require a mote of forethought, or even organising a translator. This opens up all sorts of interesting avenues, and makes the world feel less like a bunch of houses in the same cul-de-sac.

One thing I would like to point out is how quickly people are adjusting. After the initial shock, things became far easier to deal with - simply takes a bit of acclimation.

Kogan

Jayden said:

The one thing that stands out is that the world feels bigger. Interactions with foreigners require a mote of forethought, or even organising a translator. This opens up all sorts of interesting avenues, and makes the world feel less like a bunch of houses in the same cul-de-sac.

One thing I would like to point out is how quickly people are adjusting. After the initial shock, things became far easier to deal with - simply takes a bit of acclimation.

Or a necklace of comprehension and we're back to square one. If they don't have one I'd just assume not talk to them before I market for a translator. Probably cheaper to buy them a necklace anyways and then we're all speaking common again.

Shirszae

Something else that would be interesting is that it'd make city alliances meaningful again, as it'd make the person able to communicate with so many more with ease.

Kayeil

If we want it to be "bigger," just go back to not being able to hear people from islands and other areas that used to be closed off.

Jayden

Kogan said:

Or a necklace of comprehension and we're back to square one. If they don't have one I'd just assume not talk to them before I market for a translator. Probably cheaper to buy them a necklace anyways and then we're all speaking common again.

That's exactly the forethought I spoke of. Besides, if having a necklace may as well be speaking Achaean, then there's no real downside to losing Achaean outside of buying or making a necklace. 2,000 sovereigns spread out over the course of 30 days or so is so unbelievably negligible as to be nil. Even novices can get that in no time, and this would spur their production in some sort of volume, unlike now.

All two people from opposite ends of the continent need is a pair of necklaces, and they just speak their racial language, problem solved. Want to properly speak another language? Learn it proper, always an option.

There's barely any downside to losing Achaean, all that really needs to be modified from now is what to do with denizens, and fixing up the inability to write letters in a racial language.

Keorin

Kogan said:

Jayden said:

The one thing that stands out is that the world feels bigger. Interactions with foreigners require a mote of forethought, or even organising a translator. This opens up all sorts of interesting avenues, and makes the world feel less like a bunch of houses in the same cul-de-sac.

One thing I would like to point out is how quickly people are adjusting. After the initial shock, things became far easier to deal with - simply takes a bit of acclimation.

Or a necklace of comprehension and we're back to square one. If they don't have one I'd just assume not talk to them before I market for a translator. Probably cheaper to buy them a necklace anyways and then we're all speaking common again.

Just make necklaces give a below perfect level of comprehension. Makes for casual communications to work pretty easily, but more serious/complex stuff could use a translator.

If they were going to make such a dramatic shift to how languages work, the related mechanics wouldn't have to stay the same.

Kogan

Keorin said:

Kogan said:

Jayden said:

The one thing that stands out is that the world feels bigger. Interactions with foreigners require a mote of forethought, or even organising a translator. This opens up all sorts of interesting avenues, and makes the world feel less like a bunch of houses in the same cul-de-sac.

One thing I would like to point out is how quickly people are adjusting. After the initial shock, things became far easier to deal with - simply takes a bit of acclimation.

Or a necklace of comprehension and we're back to square one. If they don't have one I'd just assume not talk to them before I market for a translator. Probably cheaper to buy them a necklace anyways and then we're all speaking common again.

Just make necklaces give a below perfect level of comprehension. Makes for casual communications to work pretty easily, but more serious/complex stuff could use a translator.

If they were going to make such a dramatic shift to how languages work, the related mechanics wouldn't have to stay the same.

And I'll just not talk to people. That's okay.

Haloshire

I actually wouldn't mind this so much if they'd bother to test their code and not pooch written stuff. That said, they didn't test it properly and broke prod after releasing buggy code. Necklaces of comprehension being required isn't such a bad thing overall. So, until they can be competent about it, language back is my vote.

Aralaya

The main reason I like the change is it adds a bit more depth, at least in my mind. It just makes more sense for people to be communicating in their racial languages than just some language that just kinda exists. Even if it does use magical necklaces for understanding people it just makes more sense to me

Also @Haloshire since it was originally just intended to be an April Fool's day thing, I think the book thing is intentional. If this ever did stay the same I imagine they would do something about the books and letters

Valaria

if we vote to remove achaean language. then we should be able to have someone who are able to translate (by straight or twist other's words). just similar to RL life where ambassador would have translator present to translate what other would say. and..official position of an translator and its aides?

Kogan

Aralaya said:

The main reason I like the change is it adds a bit more depth, at least in my mind. It just makes more sense for people to be communicating in their racial languages than just some language that exists. Even if it does use magical necklaces for understanding people it just makes more sense to me

Also @Haloshire since it was originally just intended to be an April Fool's day thing, I think the book thing is intentional. If this ever did stay the same I imagine they would do something about the books and letters

But you can do that without effecting people who see it as an annoyance.

Kayeil

Having others translate seems like a horrible idea... the lack of privacy to a conversation could be gotten around with a necklace of comprehension, but it can turn a 5-minute conversation into a much longer one relying on others to translate. I don't like the idea of relying on other people all the time to communicate, or the loss of efficiency by relying on others to help me do so.

Frederich

Then use those language points and gold to learn some damn racial languages.

Kogan

Frederich said:

Then use those language points and gold to learn some damn racial languages.

Or not. Have you done the math on that? I know @Ahmet has. Don't remember the exact number, but perhaps he does.

Kyrra

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^ because that's how I want to play Achaea in future? No thanks.