Let mining lodes spawn throughout the entire day.

Kurdock

So I've recently been attempting to check out Achaea's mining system since I heard it could be lucrative. However, I run into a small problem.

  I was told that most of the good, rare lodes only spawn at around 6PM GMT, which is 2AM in my time (you can guess where I'm from now! lol). Whenever I'm awake, prospecting never shows up any good lodes, just tiny/small iron lodes that nobody wants. So I suspect this 6PM GMT thing to be true-ish, although some people also think mine lodes spawn randomly.

  I'd like to suggest lode spawns to be spread out as evenly as possible over the course of a day. This will give everyone a fairer chance to find rare lodes, instead of having to wake up late in the night.

Cooper

What you were told is not true at all.

Krypton

Cooper said:

What you were told is not true at all.

Kurdock

Cooper said:

What you were told is not true at all.

Oh right ok, thanks for verifying that then sry

Mathilda

From what I've observed, they don't necessarily pop up around a certain time (1800 GMT or whatever), but it is possible to predict, roughly, when a certain lode would spawn again. That's one of the reasons why valuable lodes like stone get snapped up really quickly, and often by the same people. Just have to be lucky in the prospecting time!

Cooper

That's not really true either.

The people who get "valuable" lodes often is because we spend a lot of time prospecting (I spent probably 45 minutes per day doing it minimum).

Mathilda

Hmm, there must still be a factor of knowing when to prospect. I prospect all stronghold areas (except Fissure) four to six times a day and still manage to get mostly only small rawstones and coal galore.

edit: I got a small carbon recently, so yay!

Melodie

In fairness, the reason it's so hard to get good lodes these days is because there's just far too many miners fighting over too few lodes. But there's already too many commodities not being used, so you can't really expand how many lodes/commodities spawn in without giving more things to use commodities -on- that eat them entirely. It's been consistently worked out but there's still several without much use, and thus a low price.

Just the nature of things for the time being.

Mathilda

I just want stone for my house

Tahquil

Yo, I heard you like stone.

Krypton

Mathilda said:

Hmm, there must still be a factor of knowing when to prospect.

Yes, there is-- but it has nothing to do with the 24-hr clock.

Trey

Mathilda said:

I just want stone for my house

I can sell you enough comms (including wood) for 70 rooms in-subs, or 35 out. If you've got the credits or gold, hit me up!

Greys

Also, the good miners get coordinated. So if you have say 5-8 miners who note when they prospect, you can have nearly daily sweeps collectively. If you notice, when a certain lode has spawned, those who got it tend to be from the same city.

Cooper

Mhaldor isn't coordinated like that at all.

I hope you all get shrubbed for using Rangor's auto mining script.

Mathilda

The jump from 'coordinated' to 'automated' is glorious.

Cooper

And accurate.

Mathilda

You're welcome to issue whoever you think is perpetuating an injustice against you.

Cooper

I don't have time to issue all the people who mine. I do well enough myself anyway! 

Cooper

Here's an example from today, from someone using an auto prospecting script that had the wrong clan activated:

(Cabinetmakers of Achaea): X says, "LODE FOUND AT Nearing the desert's edge (307) in area the Mhojave Desert TYPE: small lode of iron ore.""

I'm 90% sure you can configure it to auto writelog too.

Krypton

Yes, lots of people auto-writelog their prospect finds.

Seems kinda whatever to me. Going out and being first to build on a good lode is the important part, which isn't automated.

Cooper

I agree with you, Krypton.

However, the admin do not.

Message #528        Sent by Anytus

2016/6/04/14:09 Greetings. In regards to issue #76363 filed against you by x: Please read 

HELP AUTOMATION. Something is classified as breaking the automation policies when you could walk 

away from your computer and your character could go on doing the activity. It is not okay simply 

because you were at the keyboard the entire time. This is a warning to not engage in such automation.

Note that I wasn't engaging in that type of automation (hence no punishment).

Melodie

Automation rulings still absolutely boggle my mind. That means fishing with scripts isn't okay, either. It also means that previous exceptions (having to have semi-frequent input to continue the actions, for instance, a fishing script that catches a single fish and you need to do an alias to start it up again) aren't acceptable either.

It's forever a weird line to walk.

Krypton

I feel like (emphasis on this being my personal feeling) the division is between whether your system completes the objective only once, versus over and over ad infinitum with zero additional input.

Like if the objective is catching fish, if each new catch starts with a manual cast, but triggers handle the jerking and reeling, that is fine. If you can walk away for 10 minutes and your system loops to catch you 10 fish in that time, that's a no-no.

If the objective is hunting, if each new kill starts with manual targetting, but triggers handle the attacking until it's dead, that is fine. If you can walk away for 3 minutes and your system loops to target and kill all five orcs in your room, that's a no-no.

If the objective is a logging a lode spawn, if you move through rooms one at a time manually, but triggers handle the PROSPECT and WRITELOG of results, that is fine. If you can walk away for 3 minutes and your system autowalks all possible lode spawn rooms to autolog you a full lode list, that's a no-no.

Sarathai

Krypton said:

If you can walk away for 3 minutes and your system loops to target and kill all five orcs in your room, that's a no-no.

"settarget orc"

All you fancy people with your denizen ID numbers.

Krypton

Probably not autokilling everything in a room (they're all teaming you anyway), but everything in the same area (i.e., throwing area autowalker into it).

Austere

Automation laws come into effect the moment you're doing something in achaea, while your physical presence is not at the key board, regardless of if that's teasing a line, writing a log, or whatever. As long as they are responsive to divine inquiry, there will not be a shrubbery. Outside that, you're gambling with your character. 

Atalkez

I automate everything about my hunting except the actual movement from room to room. It makes my life easier, and a task that is already extremely boring to me, less of a hassle. I don't see anything wrong with that.

No shame.

Ahmet

See, threads like these are traps. The admin bait you with statements about "oh sure its fine as long as you don't leave", but Makarios is collecting all of your names to ban a thousand people people in what shall henceforth be known as the Great Shrubbing of 738 AF.

Nicola

It's called Gardening.

Valaria

Ahmet said:

See, threads like these are traps. The admin bait you with statements about "oh sure its fine as long as you don't leave", but Makarios is collecting all of your names to ban a thousand people people in what shall henceforth be known as the Great Shrubbing of 738 AF.

i would love to see major event, 'the Great Shrubbing'.

Klendathu

Knight of Ni: We shall say "Ni" to you... if you do not appease us. 

Arthur: Well what is it you want? 

Knight of Ni: We want..... 

 

(pregnant pause) 

 

                             A SHRUBBERY!!!! 

(dramatic minor chord) 

Arthur: A *WHAT*? 

Knights of Ni: Ni!  Ni!!  Ni!  Ni! 

Arthur; No!  No!  Please, please, no more!  We will find you a shrubbery. 

Knight of Ni: You must return here with a shrubbery... or else you will never pass through this wood...   alive. 

Arthur: O Knights of Ni, you are just and fair, and we will return with a  shrubbery. 

Knight of Ni: One that looks nice. 

Arthur: Of course! 

Knight of Ni: And not *too* expensive. 

Arthur; Yes! 

Knight of Ni: Noowwwww.... GO!