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We're already gambling on the spin. We probably don't need a reward that just means RNG has a chance to shaft us a second time.
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@Antonius i gotchu
ninja edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_satiation
And when the 15% of the booty that I do want is Also a gamble... well, I won't be making any purchases.
do you know what's great about being a creator? Getting feedback and making MORE people happy and spending money! Honestly, people could just go "wheel isn't worth it" spend almost no money on it, devs think the wheel in general is bad and never use it again, by saying "the wheel isn't quite as good, and gambling for another gamble is even worse", Devs can look st that and go "How can we change it if the overwhelming feedback is bad?"
Maybe they make the boxes on 3 symbols spill out 3 talisman pieces, while non matching gets 1. Maybe they exchange them for globes. Maybe they do nothing at all.
We want to spend money, but if it feels the ROI isn't worth it, we spend nothing and the game struggles for it. @Nicola and @makarios are intelligent people with data behind them to see if our feedback is legitimate, but 0 feedback and little money spent could see a GOOD promo get dropped permanently.
tl;dr it's my promo and i'll cry if I god damn want to.
It starts small, maybe an average of 10% higher ROI. But then the next month, players expect more. So the admins listen to the outcry and increase the average return to 20%. Then it becomes 30%. Then the effects of the 'limited edition' mini-artifacts became increasingly overwhelming, because your playerbase now expects a bigger 'bang for your buck'. So, no, constantly appeasing the consumer is not always the right move.
Shit I'm not even an average consumer in the game. I'm pretty Artied. So at the end of the day I don't get effected. But what about the little guys. Come on man.
as consumers, we'll wait for the -best- promotion for us, it doesn't mean the promo needs to award us 50% over a normal credit purchase, but at least feel like our value was returned. Globes feel like that, randomly spinning and having the wheel give us a talisman piece is fine too, but a box that may give us a goldenseal root is definitely a negative thought that will make people think "was this worth my cash?"
What little guys? You mean those who bash gold to but from CFS? No one is asking for the wheel to just hand us massive prizes. Hell the only complaint I've made is the talisman boxes specifically, they could simply remove the boxes and replace it with winning a single piece and I'd be over the moon.
If you are happy with the promo, buy it, but if some people aren't and give feedback, the devs can use it, if they still have the numbers that the wheel is fine on its ROI then that's ok too, but trying to simply shut down feedback accomplishes absolutely nothing.
I disagree that you should get the same stuff from gambling that you would from buying directly. If the baseline is equivalent to credit purchases, then it's not gambling. You want to get the 'big hit' by gambling, but not take the hit on the opposite end of the spectrum?
Its a gambling promotion, not a straight % addition. You shouldn't expect to 'win' no matter what, which if the Baseline is exactly the same as the credits you could have purchased, then you never lose. That's not gambling.
With that said though, if there is something so obviously wrong then by all means we should try to fix that. Complaining about the ROI isn't it, but of course that's just my opinion!
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I don't see why the wheel or giftbags or globes should be any different. The baseline should be "what I could get in credits (i.e. what I can get with my money regardless of the promo) + X% (i.e. the bonus of the promotion)", with a small chance of getting something much better. It shouldn't be "chance to get absolutely shafted and not come close to breaking even or chance to get something much better".
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Buy a token to spin a thing that spits things out randomly.
???
I don't disagree about getting shafted, and those instances should be fixed. The value on things should be fairly close, in all fairness, but I think expecting a baseline isn't in line with what the promotion really is.
If you want a minimum baseline, then by that same logic, the rewards can't be that great because IRE can't run 30% bonuses every single promotion.
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Ioci says with a grumbling, drawn-out accent, "I think I got 10 or 15 bound credits."
That is a lot of experience for me, and also quite an amount of bound credits for free spins!
The point of promotions is to make people spend money when they otherwise wouldn't by rewarding them with things on top of what they'd get buying at literally any other time. Despite the random nature of it, I don't think it's intended to be a gamble at all. You're not intended to lose, you're always intended to win; the only random part is how much you win by. This is the same way that the humgii racing works - as Sarapis said, they're not trying to make a profit (from you losing), they're trying to give you something.
If running a 30% bonus promotion every single month was the most effective way for IRE to increase credit sales and make money, they would definitely do that and there's no reason they couldn't. Most people will never come close to buying everything that's available, even if they could afford to take advantage of a 30% bonus on a small to medium purchase every month, especially when you factor in that there's constantly new content being added to the game for people to spend money on.
A lot of promotions give bonuses in excess of 30% when you work them out, they're just not in the form of a flat "here's an extra 30% credits". The crown promotions generally work out at 40-50% based on the average selling price of a crown during the promotion (and can be in excess of 50% if you're willing to wait for the price to go up again).
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But we can't have the WOWOWOWOW! prizes and everybody still get the same ROI as if they had purchased directly.
That said, I have an Elite membership. I tend not to buy extra stuff for these promotions because I know that I am unlikely to WOWOWOW and don't want to give up my guaranteed return. I like to buy 1000 credits once or twice a year when I am active. I love the Elite bonus, and I really like waiting for the 30% so I am stacking 40%.
So far on the freebies I have gotten two lottery tickets and 33 bound credits. I was mega excited. I'm easily pleased.
That's just me and my reasoning. Not saying I am right. Just sharing my own thoughts.
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"average ROI matching credit prices + x% better + chance to win a really big thing + desired thrill".
to entice me to buy.
My only complaint is that you should be able to buy tokens IG again, because it does shaft people who want to take a GAMBLE but with credits they earned IG which usually requires much more work/time. (Full disclosure: I bought credits the night before this went up, but did so not expecting the wheel)
Though I would be fine and generally agree if they wanted to ease problems, the *average* as Prythe mentions, over time is not a bad path
@Nicola The new change shifted my interest in this promo.
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You have received a raffle ticket!
A large, prismatic Wheel of Fortune slows down to a halt, rewarding you with raffle tickets.
You have received a raffle ticket!
A large, prismatic Wheel of Fortune slows down to a halt, rewarding you with a group of 3 Lucrescent nuts and a translucent piece of shunsten.
You have received a raffle ticket!
A large, prismatic Wheel of Fortune slows down to a halt, rewarding you with a group of 3 balls of seftonium and a group of 2 cerulean lifestones.
You have received a raffle ticket!
A large, prismatic Wheel of Fortune slows down to a halt, rewarding you with an elegant diamond vial.
You have received a raffle ticket!
I'll be the first to say this. If I spent $45 and got bound credits, raffle tickets, 3 lucrescent nuts (which now decay and have a vastly decreased timeframe of use). Shunsten, 2 consumable heals, raffle tickets, what I assume is a vial full of lucky (12-20 sips)... and that's it from a promo that's screaming "LOOK AT THIS STUFF. ISNT IT NEAT. WOULDNT THINK UR COLLECTION IS COMPLETE!!!"
Then I'd be kinda pissed too. I could buy like 8 nights of chinese for that much. Or, more to the point. 125cr + iron realms bonus.... or 50 + iron realms bonus + iron realms membership.
I don't think it's asking much that we just lose this "I spent 25% cr and all I got were very 'meh' consumables from the wheel." (Consumables which are very readily available because miners get shittons of them and never do crap with em because you can't sell them to anyone).
They're the only issue I have (supremely) with the wheel besides the mechanical boxes, that did get fixed. If I'm paying RL money, I'd like something with a credit value. Raffle tickets? Credit value, and chance for a REALLY fucking awesome item. Artie vial? Credit value. Lessons? Usually like 30cr worth of em. Good for p. much anyone.
3 nuts and a raremineral...?
Not so much. That's literally my only gripe with giving out that stuff as a 'consolation' prize. Either give a prismatic token with it, or give ENOUGH of it to go "okay. That's not so bad."