The old problem with loyalties could have been fixed far more easily then by complete redefining what houses were. Mhaldor's houses felt distinct from the city, but no one ever thought the house came first.
And redistribution can certainly be an issue, particularly when the house then tries very hard to avoid being what the old houses were. The Virtuosi is basically what Ty Beirdd always tried to be, were it not for admin limitations, and while the house isn't perfect by any means, most of its problems stem more from the city then from any issue of identity.
The more I read about Targ's houses in this thread the more I think of how cool it'd be for the Luminai to be like a secret society type of deal, like the Illuminati of Good or maybe just literally the Knight's Templar. Work in the shadows to save the light. Very exclusive, very hard to get into, but very prestigious, the very upper echelon of Targossas society, the ones who run the show.
But the Assassins are the ones who do that, not the Templars. </pedantichumour>
- (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place." - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely." - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")." - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish." - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
Houses are not as they were when they were 'Paladin', 'Priest', 'Bard', they are more like cogs of a wheel that work for a city. A City has its identity, based on the people, and those people have a means for focus because of their Houses.
Houses are what you make of it, you want to achieve something social, and make things fun for yourself and other people, then join a house. If you wish to grind and focus on your level or fighting and not really deal with people, then do not join a house and expect to have things handed to you by that house.
I can a hundred percent guarantee you @Daeir that if you actually spoke to any of us, and participated outside of the forums and complaining that we do nothing of interest, when you are not present to see it, then you might actually LIKE the house identity and where it is going.
Torinn Chiragh, Herald of Fire says, "Good, darn it." Talamond Averial says, "You are the least charming siren ever."
Fresh start better than trying to rework and get people interested in dead houses.
One of the few Houses that successfully reworked themselves during the transition was the Merchants who were originally the Hashani Sorcerer's Guild. I always give mad props to them for that.
I don't think any other House has managed to dynamically transform themselves like that. I feel like any other organisation could've taken something, even like Seafaring and work the entire House around it if they'd been willing to step outside their comfort zone. But they did not.
it would be nice if the legates vs insidium was more like the maldaathi vs naga but there is a lot of resistance to that idea.
To be honest.. i'm not even sure there is much of a significant difference. They both do the same things, only one does it "sneakily" or something to that effect.
it would be nice if the legates vs insidium was more like the maldaathi vs naga but there is a lot of resistance to that idea.
To be honest.. i'm not even sure there is much of a significant difference. They both do the same things, only one does it "sneakily" or something to that effect.
I mean, thats pretty much it. Exploring the differences in approach between the two mindsets.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
I think what Daeir is trying to say is, for example, the old Houes had a weight to their name and people would be interested in what others were doing simply because they belonged or were related to the House. Now its basically the opposite, Houses are barely an after-thought to what people do, an 'Oh, and by the way, these people are from this place that resembles all those other places over there'
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
I understand your sentiments, too, but as you explained already, it has to do with the new factional orientation of the cities. You distinguish yourself through citizenship (which, ironically, is something many new players choose right at the beginning without learning anything about the philosophies first), and as with us in Targossas, House membership isn't even mandatory any more. The meaning and importance of Houses have significantly been reduced, and they are there now more for individual flavour than for meaningful roleplaying. Ashtan and Targ have the SAME Houses. One for fighting, one for preaching, one for support. The only difference is the end-game/goal.
So since no one raids Cyrene anymore let's make the Shield the house o paperwork and all the other houses can contract out their house advancement record keeping to them and make it as pleasant for the house and complex for the the recorder as they want! Everybody wins. (Pls someone raid Cyrene again so the shield can stop dying)
So since no one raids Cyrene anymore let's make the Shield the house o paperwork and all the other houses can contract out their house advancement record keeping to them and make it as pleasant for the house and complex for the the recorder as they want! Everybody wins. (Pls someone raid Cyrene again so the shield can stop dying)
Don't think we're supposed to
Plus you guys are the only city I'm not enemied to
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.
So since no one raids Cyrene anymore let's make the Shield the house o paperwork and all the other houses can contract out their house advancement record keeping to them and make it as pleasant for the house and complex for the the recorder as they want! Everybody wins. (Pls someone raid Cyrene again so the shield can stop dying)
Don't think we're supposed to
Plus you guys are the only city I'm not enemied to
I'm Hashani now. see: aforementioned lack of raids and slow painful death of young and initially flourishing combatant community
We've been told in the past to ignore them, apparently. Even if we hadn't, Eleusis always has ridiculous numbers, so raiding them generally isn't feasible anyway.
We've been told in the past to ignore them, apparently. Even if we hadn't, Eleusis always has ridiculous numbers, so raiding them generally isn't feasible anyway.
Might of the many! (just do like @Jhui and move 2 rooms away and set kai deliverance. We all fall for it every time. Sometimes I think we just do it to make him feel special)
random dumb idea alert, feel free to skip this if you want
I know the topic's changed a bit, but regarding the Shield situation: I think it'd be neat if Cyrene fully embraced the idea of being a neutral place of higher learning, like the super-university of Achaea or something.
Cyrene's always been interested in learning and the arts, and combat could easily be considered an art form, so what if the Shield provided a way for third party militaries to practice things that don't really get much practice outside of live combat scenarios? Group stuff like compositions, synergies between classes, mock combat. Could be a good way for cities to get more people involved in raid defense as well since there'd be less pressure, especially if you could get entire raid groups into Cyrene's arena (I'm not sure if you can, actually).
An added bonus would be if the Shield stored all this information away in like a massive combat library or something. Class synergies, group curing priorities, etc. Want to test out a new multi-class wombo combo but nobody's raiding? Give the Shield a call. Can't figure out how to deal annoying afflictions in a group setting? Ask the Shield.
Would hopefully breathe some life back into the house, give them uniqueness on top of what they already have (this wouldn't necessarily conflict with their "protect Cyrene" identity) and establish them as a major center for learning combat, all in one fell swoop.
I don't think it would even affect the big "don't bring conflict to Cyrene" ruling, because what raid group would want to destroy testing grounds they use and piss off the guys with the keys to a ton of knowledge?
Honestly, the idea of opening things to people from other cities fits the Virtuosi and the Outriders far more than the Shield. I would definitely love it for those, just not so much for the Shield.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
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And redistribution can certainly be an issue, particularly when the house then tries very hard to avoid being what the old houses were. The Virtuosi is basically what Ty Beirdd always tried to be, were it not for admin limitations, and while the house isn't perfect by any means, most of its problems stem more from the city then from any issue of identity.
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
Houses are what you make of it, you want to achieve something social, and make things fun for yourself and other people, then join a house. If you wish to grind and focus on your level or fighting and not really deal with people, then do not join a house and expect to have things handed to you by that house.
I can a hundred percent guarantee you @Daeir that if you actually spoke to any of us, and participated outside of the forums and complaining that we do nothing of interest, when you are not present to see it, then you might actually LIKE the house identity and where it is going.
Talamond Averial says, "You are the least charming siren ever."
I don't think any other House has managed to dynamically transform themselves like that. I feel like any other organisation could've taken something, even like Seafaring and work the entire House around it if they'd been willing to step outside their comfort zone. But they did not.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
You cannot join house <x>. You suffer from insufficient gravitas, mien and comportment.
- Limb Counter - Fracture Relapsing -
"Honestly, I just love that it counts limbs." - Mizik Corten
Plus you guys are the only city I'm not enemied to
- Limb Counter - Fracture Relapsing -
"Honestly, I just love that it counts limbs." - Mizik Corten
Also @Dochitha is back. The shield lives again?
I need to be unenemied to Cyrene so that I have someplace to buy inks and plants.
- Limb Counter - Fracture Relapsing -
"Honestly, I just love that it counts limbs." - Mizik Corten
But not often my any stretch of the imagination.
Recently defiled a shrine or two in response to Rangor raiding - but didn't have the numbers (30) for an actual follow up raid
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
I know the topic's changed a bit, but regarding the Shield situation: I think it'd be neat if Cyrene fully embraced the idea of being a neutral place of higher learning, like the super-university of Achaea or something.
Cyrene's always been interested in learning and the arts, and combat could easily be considered an art form, so what if the Shield provided a way for third party militaries to practice things that don't really get much practice outside of live combat scenarios? Group stuff like compositions, synergies between classes, mock combat. Could be a good way for cities to get more people involved in raid defense as well since there'd be less pressure, especially if you could get entire raid groups into Cyrene's arena (I'm not sure if you can, actually).
An added bonus would be if the Shield stored all this information away in like a massive combat library or something. Class synergies, group curing priorities, etc. Want to test out a new multi-class wombo combo but nobody's raiding? Give the Shield a call. Can't figure out how to deal annoying afflictions in a group setting? Ask the Shield.
Would hopefully breathe some life back into the house, give them uniqueness on top of what they already have (this wouldn't necessarily conflict with their "protect Cyrene" identity) and establish them as a major center for learning combat, all in one fell swoop.
I don't think it would even affect the big "don't bring conflict to Cyrene" ruling, because what raid group would want to destroy testing grounds they use and piss off the guys with the keys to a ton of knowledge?
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.