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Classlead Discussion Q2 2016

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  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,904 @@ - Legendary Achaean

    Not sure who is filing dual blunt classleads, but they clearly don't know how the spec is supposed to be played, or what half of its abilities do.

    Anedhel
  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,366 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Always the problem with open classleads though.
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  • DunnDunn Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 6,210 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Also why there's a five limit for non ACC members. 


    AtalkezJovoloAnedhel
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 4,988 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited July 2016
    Jinsun said:
    Jesus. Someone really hates Occultist, and really doesn't understand it.
    Most of them are mine from what I see. 

    Aerek said:
    Rant: Someone stole my signature "Something I haven't thought of" solution #3, and so now people are going to think some of these bizarre ideas are mine.

    Where do I point this copyright infringement/defamation suit?
    Some of that's me! I got lazy and hit a block on a lot of them for what I could offer, so went with that.


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    Anedhel
  • ArieteAriete Member Posts: 12 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Antonius said:

    Not sure who is filing dual blunt classleads, but they clearly don't know how the spec is supposed to be played, or what half of its abilities do.

    All I've seen are 64, 98, and 138 for DWB, and yea the momentum thing is a little outrageous.

    I'm unfamiliar with Recover Footing though.
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 4,988 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Allows you to stand while off balance. It's currently in the 2h spec.

    That's mine too.


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    Anedhel
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna beMember Posts: 3,370 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Whoever submitted 32 forgot about cubes and orbs :S 

    Huh. Neat.
  • AerekAerek East Tennessee, USAMember Posts: 1,818 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The Impale one makes more sense now that I read it again, I must have misunderstood it the first time, but you don't think Pommel/Strike at .9s in Ret would be OP? That's literally faster than the opponent could react to cure.
    -- Grounded in but one perspective, what we perceive is an exaggeration of the truth.
    Anedhel
  • AeshAesh Member Posts: 83 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Why do BM's use STR for damage instead of DEX? It really hampers the whole "precision and grace" vibe that the class has. Unless STR also accounts for some "internal strength" to which I would respond with why don't all the classes use STR  to calculate their damage then.


  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 4,988 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Aerek said:
    The Impale one makes more sense now that I read it again, I must have misunderstood it the first time, but you don't think Pommel/Strike at .9s in Ret would be OP? That's literally faster than the opponent could react to cure.
    Any more OP than dstab delivering two afflictions at 1.7?


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  • DunnDunn Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 6,210 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Or swiftcurse. 

    (Haven't read any leads yet)


  • RomRom Member Posts: 523 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Retardation seems so much less relevant these days. I understand balancing around it for posterity's sake but I can't recall the last time I was in retardation AND someone else was in the room.
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  • KietKiet Member Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    That's cause only one city really uses it and it's the smallest city, rip
  • DunnDunn Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 6,210 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I think he means 1v1. It would see a lot more use in raids if it stopped projectiles from passing through that room entirely. I leaded that last cycle and got shot down. 


    Anedhel
  • KietKiet Member Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Re-lead it cause that'd be great
  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,904 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited July 2016
    Ariete said:
    Antonius said:

    Not sure who is filing dual blunt classleads, but they clearly don't know how the spec is supposed to be played, or what half of its abilities do.

    All I've seen are 64, 98, and 138 for DWB, and yea the momentum thing is a little outrageous.

    I'm unfamiliar with Recover Footing though.

    Increasing maximum momentum to 10 or reducing the cost of Expend to 1 makes Pulp impossible to avoid (and it's hard already), since you no longer require that extra doublewhirl after the leg breaks. That's the entire reason Assault has the 7 momentum requirement, even though it only uses 5 (originally only required 5 too). I have no idea what whoever wrote 64 is doing as dual blunt, but it sounds like they're using flails and possibly don't even know Assault exists.

    138 seems odd. Fracture resets the momentum decay timer now so you shouldn't be losing momentum if you're actually using fracture or doublewhirl...

    IosefkaAerek
  • KelloniusKellonius Cape Girardeau, MissouriMember Posts: 303 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Antonius said:

    Not sure who is filing dual blunt classleads, but they clearly don't know how the spec is supposed to be played, or what half of its abilities do.

    Its not me this time. 
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  • JinsunJinsun TN, USAMember Posts: 2,927 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Atalkez there's so many reasons why those occie nerf suggestions are bogus, I wish i didn't have a contest limit
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  • KenwayKenway San FranciscoMember Posts: 1,130 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jinsun said:
    @Atalkez there's so many reasons why those occie nerf suggestions are bogus, I wish i didn't have a contest limit
    This is where you explain your opinion with supporting evidence.

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  • ArmaliArmali Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    I know as an alchemist, I agree that most of the nerfs feel unwarranted, since I feel with proper defensive play I can handle the aff route, and I've handled Calira, Nylian, Finkle, and Gilt all using it. Half of it is my normal hindering (lethargy and paralysis) and using my active cure aggressively, and the other half is just knowing when to run away. Since I'm a pure momentum class, running away is actually way more damaging to me than if you had a prep route. A lot of the nerfs feel like people just wanting to face tank the class.
  • KietKiet Member Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The nerfs probably come from fighting Seragorn, who is, no offense, on a bit of a different level!
  • CynlaelCynlael Member Posts: 3,257 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    If you legitimately feel like Alchemist is in a good spot, then you probably don't really know what balance is, because Alchemist is really the epitome of 'anti-fun' right now, and has been for a while. You also didn't really list absolutely amazing people, Finkle's good and Gilt's getting there, but not really a fair measure by any means.

    Anedhel
  • ArmaliArmali Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited July 2016
    I've fought Seragorn too, and I'll attribute my losses to not handling Unnamable properly, and forgetting I was indoors so I couldn't rof out. I haven't had a chance to spar him again, but I would like to. I do have one win against him. I don't make any claims that I'll win, but I understand how the offense progresses and I know what I need to do to stop it at certain points and what to look out for. If I lose, it's on me for forgetting to do X, Y, Z, not because it's so absolutely unbearable that I need to ask for nerfs to it.
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member Posts: 4,988 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Still waiting on facts to back up the opinions.

    Anecdotal evidence isn't gonna cut it. Explain why the logic is unsound, not why you disagree with it.


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  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna beMember Posts: 3,370 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I can't tell if 110 is troll or not u.u
    Huh. Neat.
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna beMember Posts: 3,370 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Same goes for 48.
    Huh. Neat.
  • AmranuAmranu Member Posts: 725 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Just going to pop in here for a sec.

    Seragorn is not magically better than Atalkez. Let's not dismiss classleads based on perceptions that can't be judged objectively.
  • KietKiet Member Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    No one said Sera was better than Atalkez! The point is that classes don't always show off why they're broken except at the top tier. I don't really have an opinion on occy, though, tbh.
  • KenwayKenway San FranciscoMember Posts: 1,130 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Report #144
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    Submitted by: Anonymous      Status      : Submitted
    Skill       : Miscellaneous  Ability     : Room hindrance
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    Problem:
    Momentum classes -need- room hindrance. Room hindrance's strength can often make them somewhat 
    ludicrous to fight against even though their skillset makes perfect sense. We've tried increasing 
    hinder proc chance with level of momentum but we haven't tried the other way round.
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    Solution #1:
    make each proc of room hinder lower the chance of procing consecutively. Reset the chance when the 
    target leaves the room and also after a short period say, 15s?
    Solution #2:
    Solution #3:
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    - Limb Counter - Fracture Relapsing -
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  • SobriquetSobriquet Member Posts: 2,366 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cynlael said:
    If you legitimately feel like Alchemist is in a good spot, then you probably don't really know what balance is, because Alchemist is really the epitome of 'anti-fun' right now, and has been for a while. You also didn't really list absolutely amazing people, Finkle's good and Gilt's getting there, but not really a fair measure by any means.
    @Finkle is an extremely good occie.
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