In Memoriam

Jonathin

The only complaint I have with retirement as these old people coming back and being treated like they're idiots. And yes I am talking about certain members of Targossas treating Lachlan like she's an idiot and can't learn anything. If you want these old people to come back and keep playing that character, they shouldn't be treated like complete newbies.

Verrucht

Aodfionn said:

Am I the only one who sees irony in people complaining that the friends who retire without proper goodbyes? 

Maybe it's just me. Just seems like a very self-centric view, esp. when these people are retiring because they are done playing that character and presumably aren't having fun with them anymore. 

I guess that I feel like if someone leaves without saying goodbye to you, maybe they weren't really that good of a friend.

Krypton

Doesn't retirement mean a player isn't permanently leaving? Maybe they have every intention of reconnecting with the players they don't say bye to, in another character's life

Skye

Retirement basically means you can't ever come back on that character again. It's suiciding except not because you're transferring OOC assets to an OOC pool so you can reroll an entirely different and new character. Even if you 'reconnect' with your old friends (which kinda defeats half the purpose of retirement), your experiences with that old character can't be equated to this 18 year old supernoob saying "Hi it's me again".

Mind you, I'm talking about characters who basically just went dormant, not like, people who destroyed their character with social and political scandals. Even if you have lost interest in playing that old character, it doesn't change the fact that you played that role for long enough and invested enough to form bonds with other people. Especially if it's an Order. I think just throwing that away without a word is terribly dismissive of those relationships and the people who cared about that character and always looked back with fondness on those interactions. Did all those experiences mean nothing to them? I dunno really. 

Tahquil

Maybe because they've been dormant so long they've thought themselves to be irrelevant. I know I was dormant for a year and came back feeling insignificant and like noone would miss me if I just continued being dormant which is why I played with the idea of applying for Celani.

It doesn't really matter what external people feel anyway. It's their character. They can do what they want with it including not saying goodbye to people they knew 2-3 years ago.

Israyhl

Skye said:

Retirement basically means you can't ever come back on that character again. It's suiciding except not because you're transferring OOC assets to an OOC pool so you can reroll an entirely different and new character. Even if you 'reconnect' with your old friends (which kinda defeats half the purpose of retirement), your experiences with that old character can't be equated to this 18 year old supernoob saying "Hi it's me again".

Mind you, I'm talking about characters who basically just went dormant, not like, people who destroyed their character with social and political scandals. Even if you have lost interest in playing that old character, it doesn't change the fact that you played that role for long enough and invested enough to form bonds with other people. Especially if it's an Order. I think just throwing that away without a word is terribly dismissive of those relationships and the people who cared about that character and always looked back with fondness on those interactions. Did all those experiences mean nothing to them? I dunno really. 

When a character has gone dormant for months and/or years, I see it like a job or a social group you once partook within. Does anyone reach out to the people they used to be co-workers with or used to socialize in the club with when they move to another location too distant to ever personally interact with them? 

I wouldn't consider it as saying those interactions are not meaningful, but when someone has moved on with their life and those old interactions are no longer a part of them, they owe nothing to their old counterparts. It would be like throwing a 'going-away' party and inviting people they haven't talked to in years. It usually is awkward, both parties have moved on, and the nostalgia, while good memories, is short-lived. 

Melodie

Israyhl said:

Skye said:

Retirement basically means you can't ever come back on that character again. It's suiciding except not because you're transferring OOC assets to an OOC pool so you can reroll an entirely different and new character. Even if you 'reconnect' with your old friends (which kinda defeats half the purpose of retirement), your experiences with that old character can't be equated to this 18 year old supernoob saying "Hi it's me again".

Mind you, I'm talking about characters who basically just went dormant, not like, people who destroyed their character with social and political scandals. Even if you have lost interest in playing that old character, it doesn't change the fact that you played that role for long enough and invested enough to form bonds with other people. Especially if it's an Order. I think just throwing that away without a word is terribly dismissive of those relationships and the people who cared about that character and always looked back with fondness on those interactions. Did all those experiences mean nothing to them? I dunno really. 

When a character has gone dormant for months and/or years, I see it like a job or a social group you once partook within. Does anyone reach out to the people they used to be co-workers with or used to socialize in the club with when they move to another location too distant to ever personally interact with them? 

I wouldn't consider it as saying those interactions are not meaningful, but when someone has moved on with their life and those old interactions are no longer a part of them, they owe nothing to their old counterparts. It would be like throwing a 'going-away' party and inviting people they haven't talked to in years. It usually is awkward, both parties have moved on, and the nostalgia, while good memories, is short-lived. 

Usually the people who are missed like that aren't co-workers though, they're people who were meaningful in your social circle who very literally disappeared to say... raise a family, find a career, chased a boy/girl, whatever. And yes, in real life, you do have people in real life who leave your circle very suddenly whom you miss and wish they would have at least said good-bye.

Sure, you move on, just as we all do here, but that doesn't mean it doesn't niggle at your subconscious for the rest of forever. I have real friends who did that and it still bothers me this many years later. I don't think it's crazy to think some text-ships meant something more than just that random co-worker you said good morning to every day.

Antonius

Other than completely removing the option for them to return to that character down the line, how is retiring without saying goodbye any different to just never logging in again without saying goodbye? People leaving without saying goodbye seems like a somewhat valid complaint, but not for the retirement system.

Jovolo

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Melodie

It IS an honours line, so even if the mechanic itself is mostly OOC-focused, characters will know about it, so I imagine it's a finality without closure. The other, at least, leaves room for doubt.

Tahquil

Or with closure. "Left the adventurering life? Definitely not going to see them again."

Goryllin

I will say that I didn't realize how many of my old friends were still playing when I came back. And If I was coming back just because of retirement, I would have missed a TON of people in my goodbyes because I didn't realize they were still active and/or cared.

Xinna

Skye said:

Retirement basically means you can't ever come back on that character again. It's suiciding except not because you're transferring OOC assets to an OOC pool so you can reroll an entirely different and new character. Even if you 'reconnect' with your old friends (which kinda defeats half the purpose of retirement), your experiences with that old character can't be equated to this 18 year old supernoob saying "Hi it's me again".

Mind you, I'm talking about characters who basically just went dormant, not like, people who destroyed their character with social and political scandals. Even if you have lost interest in playing that old character, it doesn't change the fact that you played that role for long enough and invested enough to form bonds with other people. Especially if it's an Order. I think just throwing that away without a word is terribly dismissive of those relationships and the people who cared about that character and always looked back with fondness on those interactions. Did all those experiences mean nothing to them? I dunno really. 

Personally, I did not say much of a goodbye, but I think everyone who I actually said goodbye to asked me where I was going, who my next char was going to be, etc., because they wanted to keep talking to me IG. The problem is that's exactly what I was trying to avoid, and I had to say no and feel bad, etc. Xinna's friends are not my new character's friends and it's hard for me to develop a new character while constantly being bombarded with OOC tells from people who knew Xinna.

Granted, I was stepping down as Tyrannus so I made a news post to the city. But not really personal goodbyes. Doesn't mean I don't remember my peoplez fondly, though. To me it wasn't any different than when I stopped playing Terra, and retirement wasn't a thing then.

I imagine a lot of people feel the same way though. When you're starting new, you don't want to talk it all over with people you played with before because it leads to people wanting to stay in contact and you either getting caught in lots of OOC while trying to RP or feeling like a bitch for refusing to stay in contact. Achaea's a RP game so it's always hard to balance RP and OOC friendship.

Hyperlith

Xinna said:

...when I stopped playing Terra...

Mind. Blown.

Aegoth

RIP Aegoth. Forever mourned

Aquil

Aegoth said:

RIP Aegoth. Forever mourned

Too bad you're way too in love with holocaust bombs and Aegoth's notability of using said talent for me to believe this.

Jinsun

Hyperlith said:

Xinna said:

...when I stopped playing Terra...

Mind. Blown.

Bro what fucking rock have you been under lol

Hyperlith

Jinsun said:

Hyperlith said:

Xinna said:

...when I stopped playing Terra...

Mind. Blown.

Bro what fucking rock have you been under lol

Would you care if I told you?

Jukilian

To be honest, only in a few places in the forums was that ever mentioned, so it's excusable.

Aesi

Dannyl (male Black Dragon).
He is 282 years old, having been born on the 13th of Lupar, 431 years after the fall of the 
Seleucarian Empire.
He has given up the adventuring life.
He is an extremely credible character.
He is not known for acts of infamy.
He is a Sentry in Targossas.
He is a Conscript in the army of Targossas.
He is considered to be approximately 85% of your might.
He is an Effulgent Prayer in the Divine Order of Aurora, the Lightbringer.
He is a mentor and able to take on proteges.
He bears the arms: Argent, a wyvern displayed sinister base Vert and a staff dexter chief Sable.
See HONOURS DEEDS DANNYL to view his 12 special honours.

Ailea

Personally, when I retired mine I did not say who I would become or where I would be going because I did not want to get bugged from my previous characters and any drama that came with them. 

However that does not mean that I did not say goodbye to any one. I believe a few people received some form of a goodbye, there are still some individuals that I still speak to on an insanely basis, but strictly speaking I tend to follow what Ailea is doing at this point. 

Aesgar

Bai @Dredrith and @Zaeka

Illarion

Oh wow really?  The only two people who were around and talkative when I bothered to log in.     Godspeed @Dredrith, and @Zaeka. 

Jovolo

Goodnight, Carmain.

Sobriquet

Hyperlith said:

Xinna said:

...when I stopped playing Terra...

Mind. Blown.

You know Saltaern and Tenebrus were the same person, right? Right..?

Trey

I miss Saltybrus/Tenetaern.

Hyperlith

Sobriquet said:

Hyperlith said:

Xinna said:

...when I stopped playing Terra...

Mind. Blown.

You know Saltaern and Tenebrus were the same person, right? Right..?

Yus -- and he had another (well-known) alt too, I thought.

Omor

I know we never spoke much, but.. @Anedhel
You will be missed.

Ismay

Anedhel?! 

Xaden

Fuck you, @Anedhel </3