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Amnesia is good against two things:
1. People who are in aeon/slow/retardation and have sub-optimal ping(50-100 or higher)
2. People who have have their alias/macros/triggers configured improperly so that amnesia can affect them.
(Blades of Valour): Draekar says: "Synbios if sunbeams sparkle off that I'll kill you where you stand."
(Party) Halos says, "Disbar?"
(Party) Draekar says, "You know here we have disbar."
(Party) Draekar says, "And over there we have datbar."
As far as credit investments go it seems a fair price and people just need to realise that this upgrade, like most upgrades and artefact purchases are not going to be useful for everyone in every situation.
One thing I do think is that it should absolutely not be upgraded. For the classes and situations where it is useful it can be dangerously so. Magi with amnesia pets in full vibes and retard are annoying as hell, as can be occies who get good momentum with hinder/aeon/afflict and use amnesia pets to assist with this.
The fact that these pets are (probably) the most useful to these two classes and less so to a lot of other classes doesn't mean it is "useless" at all it is just not worth it for everyone which I think is a basis we are fine with judging most artefacts and upgrades on.
Jhui says they're great in retard for stopping people's commands after they've already sent them.
Penwize says no, it doesn't work that way, amnesia gets instantly burned up as soon as they send a command and their original command still goes through.
Santar says they're useful in extreme fringe situations (such as fighting someone with a SE Asia ping, such as myself)
and then IG conversations like this:
Penwize says, "They're shit."
Penwize says, "I even explained WHY they're shit."
So from the looks of it, they may be useful, if you have 3 amnesia pets and are fighting someone from SE Asia in retardation vibe, and their system sucks at handling amnesia (which is like nobody in 2015).
Again, for an artie with no trade-in value (pets cannot be traded in), that seems like such a small area of usefulness, that nearly any other artie would be investigated and tweaked, but people would rather keep them useless for 98% of situations because any tweaks would make them potentially OP.
Penwize says, "It so doesn't."
Antidas says, "Upper tier will know to just double send."
Antidas says, "You don't think so?"
Penwize says, "The only case where send("touch amnesia") doesn't work is where you have the ping of a Siberian on satellite internet."
You say, "Yeah and everyone uses SVO or client-side curing."
Antidas says, "Oh, is it built into SVO/serverside?"
Antidas says, "Then nvm."
Antidas says, "Its useless."
Penwize says, "Shit, you can just add it to gmcp's gaining amnesia."
Antidas says, "Admins should really drop the price of that."
Antidas says, "Or better yet."
Antidas says, "Rework amnesia."
Antidas says, "Might be a bit OP to make it consumed when the "touch" emote goes through."
Penwize says, "Yeah that's the problem with it. There's no real way to balance it."
Overall, it is not worth 400 cr, and the damage from the pet is definitely more helpful to me (as a way to prevent sleep locks without wasting my wp on metawake, and as a way for checking recklessness).
I kind of forget it exists 99% of the time though. 1 in a million fights i'll get wrecked in aeon or retardation because of the 1 second delay hitting at a really unopportune time, but my system will get me out of it 99/100 since its far too infrequent and usually hits me at ineffective times, and the last time I was in retard against someone with two amnesia pets, I barely noticed them.
But apostate is a ridiculously strong class so i may not be a good measure of such things.
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It does appear to have some usefulness, if the amnesia proc can beat their ping. Apparently, amnesia will cancel a command sent in retardation, if you don't cancel the amnesia first (which is very easily done with TOUCH AMNESIA or whatever). This is very easily beaten by ping, obviously.
2 amnesia pets would be better, though not by much. Its definitely not going to work on top-tiers like Jhui, Penwize, Rangor, Santar etc but it will likely screw up some midbies who are either unaware, have a slower ping, or have an improperly configured system.
So I take back what I said about it being entirely useless. It is an outdated mechanic that will only become more outdated as people update their systems to GMCP, but any tweaks would possibly send it into overpowered mode, so it currently appears to be balancing on a very thin line of "this kind of sucks" versus "this is potentially OP as hell".
The only uses I see with it are ordering it to attack yourself during channelled abilities where you don't want to be interrupted, and against people using their own systems that don't know enough about amnesia to not be affected by it. It has some potential luck value in retardation and aeon, as mentioned, where it could block a sent command if the amnesia-afflicted person doesn't manage to enter a command before their original command gets eaten by amnesia. This could be due to excellent (lucky) timing on the amnesia pet just before the command goes through, or due to (unlucky) high ping on the afflicted's part.
1200cr mounts' most important benefit is that they can't be killed, though. The amnesia affliction it gives is just a somewhat beneficial side effect, not the main selling point. That's why I feel like it should be left alone, just because it isn't worth the hassle of re-purposing.
I'll re-iterate that it may need looking at once everyone is using GMCP and all that, but thats tomorrow and not today.
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