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  • JarnokJarnok Member Posts: 1
    Sorry, I had Tovar suicide 'cause Runewarden wasn't me, and I wanted to keep my Race Reincarnation but anyway! (Still a Satyr......)


    Jakarana said:
    I'm going to have to say no.
    Not to the Minotaurs, I love me some bovine-people, they're literally my favorite race in any fantasy works.
    but that's a big no to the Stat's and Specializations.

    Stat's and specs are pretty global with a 13, two 12's, and an 11 amongst the stats to enable them to be relatively good in all classes, with Specializations of +2 to (str,con,dex,int) and -1 to (Int,con,dex,str) respectively.
    That "Minotaur Guard" you have there is just asking for heading towards a situation like we had along time ago with Grook Casters and Rajamala everything else, by breaking these even slightly. The last thing I want is for the days to come back where playing your race for RP reasons was looked down upon, or to even head that direction slightly.

    Personally I'd make them a Constitution 13 Intelligence 11 race because we have 3 for Str and only 2 for Con. Justify it that their strength isn't as much as satyr or trolls because of having to carry their own weight, and keep specs as normal. 14/12/13/10 for a strength spec looks well enough as is considering class powers that benefit strength and Constitution.

    However I am glad that you gave some thought to the racial abilities, since it shows you aren't wholly concerned with the Stats end of it, since most of the fluff and feel comes from the abilities:
    In my opinon, I'd like a GORE, that you could impale them while standing with, but it stunned you (or some similar drawback) for the duration that you had them impaled. Incompatible with things like bladetwist, obviously. But mechanically it'd be a pretty cool thing to see for the purpose of teamwork or causing some empty hang-time for your independent cooldown abilities to get back.
    Or possibly Trample, to mirror your size and weight, and be useful for those few classes like Blademasters that aren't suggested to be on mounts. I'm not familiar with riding, so I'm not sure if this would be overpowered, but it's random chance that'd scale with your level, and it'd make Limbcrusher a decent option for a Major Trait (reduces your own natural avoidance/dodging). Level 20 for a four limb break though in a 1v1 would be pretty dang strong so feel more than free to slap me for suggesting this if it's as bad as I think it might be.
    It would be very ironic if I was just chewing out someone for minor stat differences and then suggested utterly stupid racial abilities, and I don't mean to be a hypocrite.

    How did they have the game set up back then? I saw something about in either the IRE forums or the older Achaean forums, can't remember, but it was about the new change (well, new back then), and it said something about super fast Rajamalan and Grook with 'heads swollen with intelligence'. That what you mean?


    Heh, I was afraid I did something wrong with the stats. Well, as I played Runie for awhile, I saw that the 14/12/13/10 does sound a little OP, especially if you have some good arties. I had to think about which I wanted, Str. or Con. better, because Dex. was pretty useless, except for when I was Serpent. Int. isn't used at all for runies.

    And the racial ability was cool. I just got 'Impale' on Jarnok, so it would make more sense if they were stunned also when they did that.


    Jakarana
  • SynbiosSynbios Member Posts: 4,597 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jarnok said:
    How did they have the game set up back then? I saw something about in either the IRE forums or the older Achaean forums, can't remember, but it was about the new change (well, new back then), and it said something about super fast Rajamalan and Grook with 'heads swollen with intelligence'. That what you mean?


    Rajamala used to have lvl 2 faster balance recovery(Mhun had lvl 1 faster balance recovery too during that time). Grook used to have faster equilibrium recovery way before that before it was taken out due probably to it stacking with Aldar Diadem.

    Now, back when some other races like Troll had balance recovery penalties, if you were a knight and wanted to actually be combat-worthy(btw, speed is a deciding factor for PVPing knights), you'd have to pick Rajamala or you'll get pounded to the ground. So you want to roleplay as a Troll race while being top-tier in combat? Nope. It's one or the other.

  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,904 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Grook not only had faster equilibrium recovery (before the quick-witted trait, so it was the only race with that available) but also had the highest intelligence (by quite a margin, I think) of all of the races. Since there were no racial specialisations at the time, race - and the odd class ability - was the only factor on your stats, other than artefacts; if you were a class like Magi Grook was about the only option worth picking if you didn't want to be massively hindered.
    Jakarana
  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It's probably going to be an Elf race so people who are Tsol'aa don't have to be mutilated freaks.
    Praxides
  • TreyTrey Member Posts: 4,776 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Antonius said:
    Grook not only had faster equilibrium recovery (before the quick-witted trait, so it was the only race with that available) but also had the highest intelligence (by quite a margin, I think) of all of the races. Since there were no racial specialisations at the time, race - and the odd class ability - was the only factor on your stats, other than artefacts; if you were a class like Magi Grook was about the only option worth picking if you didn't want to be massively hindered.
    I always thought that pre-trait races should have had fast EQ on tsol'aa with grook having the high int, would have been neat.

    AchimrstCooper
  • JakaranaJakarana Member Posts: 50 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Jarnok said:

    How did they have the game set up back then? I saw something about in either the IRE forums or the older Achaean forums, can't remember, but it was about the new change (well, new back then), and it said something about super fast Rajamalan and Grook with 'heads swollen with intelligence'. That what you mean?
    Rajamala had faster balance recovery, which as you can imagine made it the race TO-BE if you used weapons at all. No Exceptions.
    And Grooks had drastically higher intelligence, I can't remember if it was 14 or 15, but mathematically, that was the only OTHER race to be if you used spells and equilibrium more than weapons and balance.

    So essentially the only race played were Rajamala and Grook, and nearly none for any kind of roleplaying reason. Claiming that you picked Catgirl Ninja or Fishman Apostate/Occultist (e.g. Lovecraft reference) because it interested you would be met with an eye-roll and a "Yeah Right"
    Achimrst said:
    It's probably going to be an Elf race so people who are Tsol'aa don't have to be mutilated freaks.
    Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't it just accepted that it's common practice for Tsol'aa to crush their ear cartilage to points like the Mayans tried to slope their foreheads?
    While Tsol'aa aren't elves, but people will probably treat them as such as long as they are an "Ancient race of forest-dwellers" having odd beauty standards people commonly warp and mutilate their bodies to meet them, is a heck of a lot flavorful than being innately born that way.
    And to be frank, crushed and sliced ears is a heck of a lot healthier than the medieval "Corset Ribcage"
  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 5,208 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Grook was 17 base int + fast EQ.

  • TreyTrey Member Posts: 4,776 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cooper said:
    Grook was ridiculous for artiwhore magi.
    Ftfy

  • TahquilTahquil Member Posts: 4,337 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I would really, really love it to be Tritons.. HOWEVER I would be massively disappointed as well that tritons would be a common sight and that people I would consider fucking wankers would become tritons and start worshipping Vastar and be friendly with grooks etc. Basically just ruining the race and trashing the rich and deeply ingrained warrior/political heritage canon  Neareos worked so many years to build.

    So just Incase it is Tritons, please no :(
  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jakarana said:
    Achimrst said:
    It's probably going to be an Elf race so people who are Tsol'aa don't have to be mutilated freaks.
    Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't it just accepted that it's common practice for Tsol'aa to crush their ear cartilage to points like the Mayans tried to slope their foreheads?
    While Tsol'aa aren't elves, but people will probably treat them as such as long as they are an "Ancient race of forest-dwellers" having odd beauty standards people commonly warp and mutilate their bodies to meet them, is a heck of a lot flavorful than being innately born that way.
    And to be frank, crushed and sliced ears is a heck of a lot healthier than the medieval "Corset Ribcage"
    I have never heard any Tsol'aa mention ear mutilation as a form of religious belief or ceremony. This must be Proteus' fault, maybe he had pointy elf ears.
  • JakaranaJakarana Member Posts: 50 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Achimrst said:
    Jakarana said:
    Achimrst said:
    It's probably going to be an Elf race so people who are Tsol'aa don't have to be mutilated freaks.
    Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't it just accepted that it's common practice for Tsol'aa to crush their ear cartilage to points like the Mayans tried to slope their foreheads?
    While Tsol'aa aren't elves, but people will probably treat them as such as long as they are an "Ancient race of forest-dwellers" having odd beauty standards people commonly warp and mutilate their bodies to meet them, is a heck of a lot flavorful than being innately born that way.
    And to be frank, crushed and sliced ears is a heck of a lot healthier than the medieval "Corset Ribcage"
    I have never heard any Tsol'aa mention ear mutilation as a form of religious belief or ceremony. This must be Proteus' fault, maybe he had pointy elf ears.
    Nonono. That's not what I meant. The Tsol'aa aren't supposed to have pointy ears, yet a lot of people describe themselves with them because they mistake them for elves. I was just saying that I thought the current standing handwave for this was that it's just a beauty trend since players/characters seem to find them desirable.

    But we're getting way off topic, and I appologize for derailing the thread into this and old Achaea stats, let's get back to Minotaur.

    Does anyone know how effective Trample would be at early levels? Especially considering the limbbreaker trait?
    Achimrst
  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaMember Posts: 2,377 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited April 2015
    Jarnok said:

    How did they have the game set up back then? I saw something about in either the IRE forums or the older Achaean forums, can't remember, but it was about the new change (well, new back then), and it said something about super fast Rajamalan and Grook with 'heads swollen with intelligence'. That what you mean?
    Old stats (circa 2011):
    ======================================
    ||   Race   | Str | Dex | Con | Int ||
    --------------------------------------
    || Atavian  | 12  | 11  | 12  | 12  || 
    || Dragon** | 18  | 14  | 20  | 18  || 
    || Dwarf    | 13  |  9  | 15  | 12  ||     
    || Grook    |  9  | 10  |  9  | 17  ||      
    || Horkval  | 14  | 13  | 14  |  9  ||   
    || Human    | 12  | 12  | 12  | 12  ||
    || Maggot** |  1  |  1  |  0  |  1  ||
    || Mhun     | 10  | 15  | 11  | 12  ||  
    || Rajamala | 11  | 16  | 11  | 14  ||     
    || Satyr    | 13  | 13  | 13  | 10  ||       
    || Siren    | 11  | 13  | 11  | 14  ||
    || Toad**   |  1  |  1  | 11  |  1  ||   
    || Troll    | 15  | 10  | 15  |  8  ||  
    || Tsol'aa  | 11  | 13  | 10  | 15  || 
    || Xoran    | 14  | 10  | 15  | 13  ||
    ======================================
    (Mhaldor): Herenicus says, "Apologies, I am in-and-out of hold with Verizon wireless customer service."
    Jakarana
  • SarapisSarapis Member, Administrator Posts: 3,398 Achaean staff
    Jakarana said:
    Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't it just accepted that it's common practice for Tsol'aa to crush their ear cartilage to points like the Mayans tried to slope their foreheads?
    While Tsol'aa aren't elves, but people will probably treat them as such as long as they are an "Ancient race of forest-dwellers" having odd beauty standards people commonly warp and mutilate their bodies to meet them, is a heck of a lot flavorful than being innately born that way.
    And to be frank, crushed and sliced ears is a heck of a lot healthier than the medieval "Corset Ribcage"
    Some player Tsol'aa perhaps. Certainly none of the denizen Tsol'aa.
    JakaranaAchimrst
  • SkyeSkye The Duchess BellatereMember, Seafaring Liason Posts: 3,022 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Tahquil said:
    I would really, really love it to be Tritons.. HOWEVER I would be massively disappointed as well that tritons would be a common sight and that people I would consider fucking wankers would become tritons and start worshipping Vastar and be friendly with grooks etc. Basically just ruining the race and trashing the rich and deeply ingrained warrior/political heritage canon  Neareos worked so many years to build.

    So just Incase it is Tritons, please no :(
    We could always have racial lynchings. Some atavian punk looks at a triton newbie in the wrong way, we take him out back, beat him with crowbars and tie him naked and de-feathered to a tree. >_> Achaea doesn't have nearly enough racial extremists. Sorry, too soon? :(


    Jakarana
  • TahquilTahquil Member Posts: 4,337 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    No, no I mean Triton kind betraying triton canon. Maybe we could mutilate the heretics tritons so they can no longer return to the seas and doomed to live as land walkers... Or cut their webs so they can't swim as fast. Denizen tritons should hate player tritons with a passion!

    Nit to mention the clumsy rp for changing into a race already entrenched for centuries seeing landwalkwrs as lower species. Cleanest way would be a entirely new race or a least one that is friendly to players.
  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Skye said:
    Tahquil said:
    I would really, really love it to be Tritons.. HOWEVER I would be massively disappointed as well that tritons would be a common sight and that people I would consider fucking wankers would become tritons and start worshipping Vastar and be friendly with grooks etc. Basically just ruining the race and trashing the rich and deeply ingrained warrior/political heritage canon  Neareos worked so many years to build.

    So just Incase it is Tritons, please no :(
    We could always have racial lynchings. Some atavian punk looks at a triton newbie in the wrong way, we take him out back, beat him with crowbars and tie him naked and de-feathered to a tree. >_> Achaea doesn't have nearly enough racial extremists. Sorry, too soon? :(
    If you bring racism into Achaea things can get ugly.
  • KayeilKayeil Washington StateMember Posts: 2,824 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Eh... no different than mhuns who don't give a damn about moghedu or atavians who'll gladly hunt Arcadia without a care in the world. Also hard to care if it's not a race you started as, but only just reincarnated into.
    What doesn't kill you gives you exp.

  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Kayeil said:
    Eh... no different than mhuns who don't give a damn about moghedu or atavians who'll gladly hunt Arcadia without a care in the world. Also hard to care if it's not a race you started as, but only just reincarnated into.
    I, don't think that's racism. I mean there are Mhun Mhaldorians I'm sure and they play the whole we become stronger from being a slave thing sometimes, that I have seen anyway. Real racism is.....very very different.
    Aereidhna
  • TahquilTahquil Member Posts: 4,337 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Kayeil : Eh, I guess you have a point. I would cry that playing a Mhun that hates Moghedu due to their superstition about her appearance meaning an omen for bad luck and letting the slavers take her away without a fight because of it is because there is years of rp to back it up. But the same argument can be made for a few adventurers and the triton race.

     So point conceded: Depending on RP anything can be explained away.
    TeghaineAchimrstJakarana
  • AepasAepas Member Posts: 1,619 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I really just wish races had more identity to them, rather than a vague overview and a few historical plots. I feel like it would make things much more interesting, especially to the alien races which have almost nothing at all.

    I feel like there is a huge swath of historical traditions, sayings, and rituals that are non existent, as well as any kind of definition between races besides stat points.

    Replies the scorpion: "It's my nature..."
    TarazaSaeva
  • TarazaTaraza Member Posts: 206 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    @Aepas that'd be pretty interesting. 
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  • AodfionnAodfionn Seattle, WAMember Posts: 1,218 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    What Aepas said. It would be really cool if, at some point in the distant future, a member of the garden could sit down with some of the more established racial groups and kind of hammer out/retcon some more lore for each of the races.

    Pipe dreams, but still.
    Aurora says, "Are you drunk, Aodfionn?" 

    (The Targossian Academy): Halos says, "Go on! I need to feel the wind in my hair!"


    Aepas
  • NicaaraNicaara Member Posts: 84 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Aodfionn said:
    What Aepas said. It would be really cool if, at some point in the distant future, a member of the garden could sit down with some of the more established racial groups and kind of hammer out/retcon some more lore for each of the races.

    Pipe dreams, but still.
    I may or may not be writing out some detailed Rajamalan history. And saving up my hard earned money for a new Rajamala clan. How far I decide to go with it remains to be seen, but if anyone is interested in seeing what I got, let me know!
    Jahrak
  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Jukilian said:
    Just don't invite people into that clan that see rajas as cute little kitty cats that meow a lot and rub up against anything that pets them.
    Isn't this like 80% of Rajas?
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It is, that's why you have to be more exclusive.
    AuromJakaranaAchimrst
  • SeftinSeftin Member Posts: 923 @ - Epic Achaean
    Only way for races to be really hard-lined is to make the reincarnation gem not allow you to change race at all but change stats to any of the available stats of all races, yet you stay the race you selected upon trial of rebirth, otherwise anyone can be anything with any RP.
    Teghaine
  • NicaaraNicaara Member Posts: 84 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited April 2015
    Jukilian said:
    Just don't invite people into that clan that see rajas as cute little kitty cats that meow a lot and rub up against anything that pets them.
    Hence why I'll be buying a new clan if I do anything at all! Rajamalans are savage bloodthirsty beasts with a flexible, violent hierarchy (for those subtypes with large tribes at least). We're not all savage anymore on Sapience, but our roots are anything but fluffy cute.

    The didn't help "impress the Nevaharr into service" with purring and snuggles.
    Jahrak
  • JakaranaJakarana Member Posts: 50 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Nicaara said:
    Jukilian said:
    Just don't invite people into that clan that see rajas as cute little kitty cats that meow a lot and rub up against anything that pets them.
    Hence why I'll be buying a new clan if I do anything at all! Rajamalans are savage bloodthirsty beasts with a flexible, violent hierarchy (for those subtypes with large tribes at least). We're not all savage anymore on Sapience, but our roots are anything but fluffy cute.

    The didn't help "impress the Nevaharr into service" with purring and snuggles.
    Well hey, I fit the bill. The closest I've been to "snuggly" was nearly going full yandere on incident while trying to track the guy down. Let me know if/when you get that done.

    Has anyone done any research or just looking around/bashing the Minotaur in game? Simply the way they attack could probably help out with racial trait abilities if they do anything special.
    Jahrak
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